Jets look to have interest in Glennon

[usapaw]

in all fairness, i've heard much more here about how bowles & his staff did petty no favors as far as getting him up to speed by year two..

i'm in that camp, for what it's worth..

I really don't think that Petty looked all that bad for the amount of time he played. They had him out there with one starter on the line! It seems they want him to fail? I was watching the playoffs and seeing TB throw two picks in the game and wondered how long would he have lasted on the JET's? We would have cut him 3x over.
I truly believe that next year will be terrible, as I have zero faith in Tod Bowles. Since we have the time let's look at Petty and Hack long term.

 

[mykcuz]

Well, I can't say I can agree with you either so we can agree to disagree. Winston has not done anything to prove he is a "generational QB", that is a very enthusiastic opinion. He is no longer considered an NFL starter until he earns that back. He has played in 2 games in 2 years.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jameis-winston?id=2552485

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[mykcuz]

I really don't think that Petty looked all that bad for the amount of time he played. They had him out there with one starter on the line! It seems they want him to fail? I was watching the playoffs and seeing TB throw two picks in the game and wondered how long would he have lasted on the JET's? We would have cut him 3x over.
I truly believe that next year will be terrible, as I have zero faith in Tod Bowles. Since we have the time let's look at Petty and Hack long term.

I'm all for developing who we have, but they aren't really starters yet. If we're going to sign a fa qb, I'd like to sign the best we can get. Maybe he works out, maybe one of the kids work out.

Your comment on wanting to hurt petty is interesting because people here and fans in general, were insulting Bowles for not putting him in earlier.

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[usapaw]

Winston was and is considered a can't miss franchise player. Not my evaluation.

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Time will tell. Was Derek Carr in that generation???

 

[mykcuz]

Time will tell. Was Derek Carr in that generation???

No, his mechanics in his lower body were pretty bad, and was poor under pressure, but had a great arm and character. He was graded as a good gamble late in the first round.

Winston was considered to have checked all of the boxes and to be nfl ready day 1. He's been pretty good. Carr has turned out great, but people weren't as convinced of him as they were jameis one year later.

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[jetgreen13]

I really don't think that Petty looked all that bad for the amount of time he played. They had him out there with one starter on the line! It seems they want him to fail? I was watching the playoffs and seeing TB throw two picks in the game and wondered how long would he have lasted on the JET's? We would have cut him 3x over.
I truly believe that next year will be terrible, as I have zero faith in Tod Bowles. Since we have the time let's look at Petty and Hack long term.

i'll do you one better.. remember when petty had a very nice game against washington in the pre season??

bowles, in his infinite wisdom gave smith the lion's share of the 2nd team reps all the following week in practice.. remember the non competition, competition between smith & petty for the backup job??

i don't know if it's a power play bowles & maccagnan have going on or what.. but the two of them don't seem anymore on the same page as ryan & idzik were..

BTW, unless johnson mandates petty & hackenberg play next season, i'd get that idea out of your head..

 

[hobson54]

He was slightly overpaid because Elway offered him almost the same contact with slightly less guaranteed money. Is Elway a hack?

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elway is lucky, and in this case, an example that even smart football people are capable of making mistakes. and the difference was reportedly about $2 million per year and about $7 million less guaranteed money.

so close money, but not almost the same contract as you said.

 

[hobson54]

if you want to trade for or sign guys like osweiler, bradford or glennon, your inheriting or signing those kind of guys for 17+ per.. hell, if cousins hits the market this off season, he's easily going to command 20+ per.. as a GM, if you move on these kind of guys, you better hope like the dickens you guessed right.. so yes, if you think your "guy" is a already in the league, you're going to have to pay him like a top tier QB.. i'm OK with that but LOLz it's not my ass on the line, so there is that..

but how about you?? do you only want to draft potential 10+ year starters because it's more cost affective under their rookie contracts??

i'd rather not overpay for mediocrity. at least not to a contract which could have adverse long-term consequences. so if my choices are paying glennon like osweiler or going with pettty/hack and perhaps a lower-tier FA, i say given the current state of the jets, get some more pieces in place before doling out a silly contract to a mediocre QB who's not likely to elevate you to a perennial contender, to say nothing of a legitimate super bowl contender.

 

[mykcuz]

elway is lucky, and in this case, an example that even smart football people are capable of making mistakes. and the difference was reportedly about $2 million per year and about $7 million less guaranteed money.

so close money, but not almost the same contract as you said.

Splitting hairs, but fine, Elway was willing to pay 16 per year and guarantee 2 years.

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[jetgreen13]

i'd rather not overpay for mediocrity.

you keep saying this.. as if it's a forgone conclusion glennon is destined to be mediocre, just because..

i suspect neither one of us have enough intel on him to say what he will or won't be after he gets signed somewhere..

if it's with us, let's hope maccagnan has done his homework..

 

[isired]

i understand that is what the market says. but were osweiler and bradford worth their "market" prices last year?

Considering his age, experience in Denver, and the alternatives, Osweiler's 2 year $36MM was a very reasonable gamble. If he's still there year 3, the gamble paid off, and may even look like a bargain at that point.

Bradford yes
Osweiler undetermined, everyone knew he was a project, Elway offered him almost as much as Houston did, and he's considered to be a genius.

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That is a point that is overlooked way too often. People say "Elway didn't want him" - which is wildly inaccurate. He didn't want to get into a bidding war for him, but he wouldn't have made the offer he did if he wasnt sure he wanted him.

I think the problem is your definition is not shared by people in the nfl. "Overpaid" to you, is market value in the nfl. The qb is the most important position in the nfl, and less and less QB's are groomed in college.

Also, osweiler is not a72 million QB. He's a2 year 36 million QB, the guaranteed money is the only thing that matters. That's not a bad deal for a guy who was set up for success, and was known to need further grooming. Houston paid 18 mill/year for a2 year experiment on a qb that has great upside. Remember Houston knew he was a project, so making the playoffs and lasting 2 rounds in his first year isn't bad. If he doesn't improve next year,Houston can move on.

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I don't think there's anyone in Houston that considers Osweiler's season a success. No definition of a successful season for him had him being benched for Tom Savage.

 

[mykcuz]

Considering his age, experience in Denver, and the alternatives, Osweiler's 2 year $36MM was a very reasonable gamble. If he's still there year 3, the gamble paid off, and may even look like a bargain at that point.

That is a point that is overlooked way too often. People say "Elway didn't want him" - which is wildly inaccurate. He didn't want to get into a bidding war for him, but he wouldn't have made the offer he did if he wasnt sure he wanted him.



I don't think there's anyone in Houston that considers Osweiler's season a success. No definition of a successful season for him had him being benched for Tom Savage.

I agree, but it's also not a2 win season.
Houston also knew what division they were in to start the year. Anytime you take on a project qb with potential and still wind up in the second round of the playoffs, osweiler didn't hurt you much. Now they have one more year to develop him before they can jump ship.

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[gastineau]

Why does Jets current GM think inaccurate passing QB's with lots of INT's are good to hire & Draft? Is Jets GM that stupid or does he lack any vision or common sense? Woody needs to fire him after his last idiotic Draft of BUSTS & taking a trash QB in 2nd round. Those Scouts should be fired for that report on Hackenburg, unless Mikey Mac seen the tape & thought he was great accurate QB. Then he should be fired also with scouts. Is it really that hard Jets Scouts? Really? Cant see his feet all messed up & why he cant get the ball out & gets sacked the last 3 years in College? Jets Scouts cant see his passes are not even in 6ft of WR & they had to run over to catch his basic jump ball passes? Jets Scouts on Hasckenburg & Jets GM are just plain stupid thinking Jets have 3-4 more years to wait and see if he can pass. I'm sick of Jets GM's not knowing what the heck they are doing. Idzik & now this current CLOWN & his dart board drafts & wise a$$ answers

 

[Elias]

Why does Jets current GM think inaccurate passing QB's with lots of INT's are good to hire & Draft? Is Jets GM that stupid or does he lack any vision or common sense? Woody needs to fire him after his last idiotic Draft of BUSTS & taking a trash QB in 2nd round. Those Scouts should be fired for that report on Hackenburg, unless Mikey Mac seen the tape & thought he was great accurate QB. Then he should be fired also with scouts. Is it really that hard Jets Scouts? Really? Cant see his feet all messed up & why he cant get the ball out & gets sacked the last 3 years in College? Jets Scouts cant see his passes are not even in 6ft of WR & they had to run over to catch his basic jump ball passes? Jets Scouts on Hasckenburg & Jets GM are just plain stupid thinking Jets have 3-4 more years to wait and see if he can pass. I'm sick of Jets GM's not knowing what the heck they are doing. Idzik & now this current CLOWN & his dart board drafts & wise a$$ answers

over reaction much? We haven't seen Hackenberg play one snap. All we are getting are reports from anonymous sources. Let the kid go through one off season, improve his mechanics and then have a legit shot at starting. We all knew he was a project as soon as he was drafted. People only bitch about drafting this project now that we sucked and could have used a more productive second rounder. The season is over, the pick was used, all we have to do is get behind the kid and hope the best. Let's hope Mac has a plan to develop a strong oline and running game for whoever the qb is. That will only help them.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

over reaction much? We haven't seen Hackenberg play one snap. All we are getting are reports from anonymous sources. Let the kid go through one off season, improve his mechanics and then have a legit shot at starting. We all knew he was a project as soon as he was drafted. People only bitch about drafting this project now that we sucked and could have used a more productive second rounder. The season is over, the pick was used, all we have to do is get behind the kid and hope the best. Let's hope Mac has a plan to develop a strong oline and running game for whoever the qb is. That will only help them.

It's no coincidence that fan reaction to Hackenberg seems to coincide with Manish Mehta's conspiracy theory reporting. One unknown source says Hackenberg won't ever be good, and off we go to imagination land.

I completely agree with pumping the brakes here. We have no idea what he'll look like in TC or preseason. Give the guy a chance.

 

[jets82]

Why, WTF for??? He got benched before Winston even got there and hasn't won the job back since. He's rode the bench now for 3-4 years, so why? Why dammit, WHY??? I'm tired of these re-thread half bread hacks the Jets keep signing or trading for. It's bullshit!!! Hopefully Hack comes around and I'm sure they'll be drafting a QB this year anyway. So hopefully one of them pan out because I don't see it in Petty either. Geno and fitzshitty of course I hope I never see them in a Jets uniform again.

 

[gastineau]

My opinion was from looking at College QB's BEFORE Jets Draft. I dont base opinions on some reporter who knows nil on QB mechanic's . If you look at Hacks foot work in College, you will see why he couldnt get rid of the ball quickly being not set & then sacked. It also is his issue with inaccuracy in his passing. Normally QB's in College has some of that issues fixed before it becomes a bad habit through High School & all of College like Hack. So do you really want to sign a 72 million QB for 4 years until Jets GM thinks Hack is ready? Even then once in a game Kids usually under pressure revert back to old bad habits that they have done for over 8 years like Hack. None of its good for Jets spending millions on coaching-Vet Player wages & Hacks wages in hopes in 4 years he can even play. I dont see it being worth it with the awful odds of success. Idzik & Mikey Mac both drafted Awful 2nd round QB's & only got 1 player right being on Defensive front.

 

[gastineau]

Oh when you look at film of Hackenburg, dont look at highlights showing only his best promo play. Look at games he played in & watch his feet & arm issues. Screen passes missed by a mile throwing across his body & thats only a small amount if his Problems. Look Gailey said Hack has a lot of issues & wont be ready for 3 years that shocked the media. After Jets canned the Offensive staff a month later, the rest of the truth came out that this kid being an NFL QB is highly unlikely. So Gailey, QB coach & others all in agreement on Hackenberg & even me. So why do you think different? What do you see makes you think he can play QB in 4 years & be accurate passer? I'd like to know what is so great in his QB mechanics you see thats correct. Only thing Ive seen, is strong arm & Ive seen that before in Jamarcus Russell QB of Raiders & 2nd biggest QB Bust in history of NFL. But hey Russell could throw it 70 yards, just couldnt hit a WR . Just like Hackenburg.

 

[butterscotch]

This is so funny reading this.....some of you crack me up.


When it comes to hack most of you look at him like ........a empty canteen in the dessert. Man are we that desperate that we hold onto him as our next great QB.

Maybe he is but I would look under more trees until I was ready to have faith in him.....It is like anyone coming into the room will do it for us.

Are we begging now?


We need quality

 

[lounap23]

Why, WTF for??? He got benched before Winston even got there and hasn't won the job back since. He's rode the bench now for 3-4 years, so why? Why dammit, WHY??? I'm tired of these re-thread half bread hacks the Jets keep signing or trading for. It's bullshit!!! Hopefully Hack comes around and I'm sure they'll be drafting a QB this year anyway. So hopefully one of them pan out because I don't see it in Petty either. Geno and fitzshitty of course I hope I never see them in a Jets uniform again.

First off he outplayed McCown but Lovie Smith does not like young QBs nor does he develop them well... This is why he was fired after 2 seasons even though the team showed improvement. The Bucs with young talented QB's, specifically Winston, knew this is a QB driven league stick with the offensive mind... Something we need to do and fast.... We must get an OC that will develop a young talented QB's and let him do his thing...