Jets Looking to Move on From Geno

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DETROIT -- Geno who?

After 48 hours of intense controversy, the New York Jets got back to work Thursday night and played a preseason football game. They didn't play particularly well, losing to the Detroit Lions 23-3, but the score didn't matter. It was their first chance to play with Ryan Fitzpatrick, their new quarterback, and you got the distinct impression in the locker room that the Jets moved on from Geno Smith. And there were no tears.

Smith's credibility among his teammates took a big hit (no pun intended) Tuesday, when he got slugged in the jaw by now-former teammate IK Enemkpali. Failing to recognize his role as the team leader, he put himself in a bad spot by getting into a petty spat with Enemkpali over $600. No one deserves a broken jaw, but his involvement in a "very childish" altercation (Todd Bowles' description) reflects poorly on Smith.

Smith, recovering from surgery, could be done with the Jets as a starter. It's Fitzpatrick's team.

"He believes in us and we believe in him," guard Willie Colon said. "It's kind of a smooth groove, if you will."

There was no outpouring of emotion for Smith. Part of that could be attributed to the "next-man-up" mentality of the NFL. It's also because they wanted to move on from Smith. Nothing personal, mind you. Just business.

Take Brandon Marshall, for instance. For months, he told everybody the reason he wanted to be traded to the Jets was because he liked the idea of playing with Smith, whom he described as a young, ascending quarterback. This was Marshall after the game:

"I'm just moving forward. I think the whole team is moving forward. I think you'll hear that echoed throughout this locker room. It's time for us to move forward and play ball."

Fitzpatrick, 32, starting for his sixth team, never was anybody's Next Big Thing. He's certainly not that at this stage of his career, but he was "cool, calm and collected," according to Todd Bowles, who made his Jets coaching debut. The players talked about Fitzpatrick's poise. They talked about the way he spoke clearly in the huddle. He didn't get rattled despite having only one day of practice with the first-team offense. He's a pro. He was a grown up in the huddle.

"I think everyone around the league knows he's a really smart guy and we all saw that," Marshall said.

Fitzpatrick attempted only three passes in one series (10 plays), completing two. He lacked zip on a third-and-1 pass, allowing the defender to break it up. He doesn't have a rifle, but some of that could be stamina. He missed a lot of the offseason, recovering from a broken leg, so his lower body isn't at full strength and that could affect his mechanics.

It was a quick hook by Bowles, but the rookie coach was thinking of the big picture. This was a small first step toward getting him ready for the regular season. No doubt, they protected him better than Smith protected himself in the locker room.

The Jets weren't going to let any angry linebackers get to their new quarterback.
 
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sg3

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Good summary IMO of the sense of relief and hope Jet players and pretty much all Jet fans feel about getting this albatross removed from the neck of our team
 

Green Jets & Ham

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Yeah everybody likes Fitzpatrick now, when character trumps talent, but when the games start to count and the offense is limited due to his lack of arm strength, so DB's don't even have to worry about the deep out, basically they don't have to cover the whole field, therefore the offense is going to suck and the defense will be under immense pressure to pitch a perfect game every week, then we'll see how much they love Ryan Fitzpatrick.
 
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In no way am I a Geno Smith fan, but I still believe the best man should start. Geno this season. had been playing the best up until he got b*tch slapped. So unless some sort of miracle occurs while Fitz is starting, Geno should be the starter
 

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Yeah everybody likes Fitzpatrick now, when character trumps talent, but when the games start to count and the offense is limited due to his lack of arm strength, so DB's don't even have to worry about the deep out, basically they don't have to cover the whole field, therefore the offense is going to suck and the defense will be under immense pressure to pitch a perfect game every week, then we'll see how much they love Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Thank you! Geno may not be the answer but Fitz DEFINITELY AIN'T THE ANSWER. So we move on from Geno which is cool and hope the team can carry Fitz to the playoffs this year with 10 wins at least. Will most likely not happen but wishful thinking. Hopefully Petty sits and learns and is ready to go next year. I'm truly hoping Petty learns just that fast and proves he needs to be the day one starter and Fitz never sees a down on the field. However; I realize that's even a lesser possibility then the team carrying Fitz to the playoffs.
 

Superman55

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In case you weren't sure this article is horseshit...if the jets were ready to move on, why haven't they cut him (there is some minimal cap savings if they did) or made a move to replace him? They haven't because they have no intentions of moving on...yet...and probably won't till 2016...
 
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Yeah everybody likes Fitzpatrick now, when character trumps talent, but when the games start to count and the offense is limited due to his lack of arm strength, so DB's don't even have to worry about the deep out, basically they don't have to cover the whole field, therefore the offense is going to suck and the defense will be under immense pressure to pitch a perfect game every week, then we'll see how much they love Ryan Fitzpatrick.

What talent does Geno have? I know he's younger but what else sets him apart? His arm is stronger but it's not elite. This was a make or break year for Geno and he gets his jaw broken in the locker room. At least the team has a man and proffesional at QB.
 
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A lot of decision making here based on one series of one preseason game in which, by the way, Fitzpatrick drove the team 50 yards for FG. He made no mistakes, protected the ball and would have been perfect if Cumbersome had hands.

We put up with a turnover machine disaster for the last two seasons. But one series of mistake free preseason football has apparently driven one of our best posters nutso
 

Bronx

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I think Fitzpatrick can do a serviceable job, but he is very limited. He scares nobody. But, let's see how he does and when Geno is healthy the coaches will make a call. If the team is winning , I'll think they'll stick with him.
 
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What talent does Geno have? I know he's younger but what else sets him apart? His arm is stronger but it's not elite. This was a make or break year for Geno and he gets his jaw broken in the locker room. At least the team has a man and proffesional at QB.

That acknowledges and that is fine. But this game isn't about teams starting men and professionals. They hope to get that as well. But they are after TALENT.

Neither QB has a whole lot of talent, or at least not talent that can allow them to be successful at their jobs.

From a pure talent basis, Geno was the better QB. Therefore, Geno is our starter. This game is about putting your most talented players on the field each and every week. This game is not about putting men and professionals out on the field or else I'd be in the running to become the NYJ starting QB.
 

Superman55

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I think Fitzpatrick can do a serviceable job, but he is very limited. He scares nobody. But, let's see how he does and when Geno is healthy the coaches will make a call. If the team is winning , I'll think they'll stick with him.

agreed. At this point, we dont know how or when Geno will be healed. Just hang onto your hat, root for Fitz, and hope he gets us off to a good start so its a tough decision. Geno isn't healthy enough to play, so no point in slinging shit back and forth right now. We're going with Fitz no matter what the next couple weeks, lets just see how it plays out.
 

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Yeah everybody likes Fitzpatrick now, when character trumps talent, but when the games start to count and the offense is limited due to his lack of arm strength, so DB's don't even have to worry about the deep out, basically they don't have to cover the whole field, therefore the offense is going to suck and the defense will be under immense pressure to pitch a perfect game every week, then we'll see how much they love Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Which is why this whole fiasco could be the best thing that ever happened to Geno.

If he was the starter week 1, he'd be under such a huge microscope that anything near mediocre would get crucified (even though it would be a huge improvement for him). Fans would come into the stadium with the letters "FI" already on their lips, just waiting for the chance to add the "TZ" to the chant.

Now, one of two things happen. Fitz is competent, and Geno fades into the background. He gets a year of practice from the sidelines and hopefully benefits from it moving forward.

But if things play out as your post implies, you KNOW fans will be chanting for Geno, if only to see if he can bring ANYTHING to the table. (Sure there will be some who want Petty, but I expect that to be a minority). Geno will have won the fans back by default, and the bar of acceptable play would be much closer to where it needed to be in the first place.

Let's get to 2-2 by the bye, then assess where we stand from there . . .
 
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That acknowledges and that is fine. But this game isn't about teams starting men and professionals. They hope to get that as well. But they are after TALENT.

Neither QB has a whole lot of talent, or at least not talent that can allow them to be successful at their jobs.

From a pure talent basis, Geno was the better QB. Therefore, Geno is our starter. This game is about putting your most talented players on the field each and every week. This game is not about putting men and professionals out on the field or else I'd be in the running to become the NYJ starting QB.

The QB position demands alot more than talent and Geno is not our starter. Jeff George had tremendous talent. You would be in the running for Jet QB if you were a professional QB. No matter what Geno does it won't be good enough for the fan base. Any interception would be booed upon, a bad pass, a sack will all result in a stadium of boos. Geno needs out of NY even more than Jets need to move on from Geno.
 

hobson54

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Yeah everybody likes Fitzpatrick now, when character trumps talent, but when the games start to count and the offense is limited due to his lack of arm strength, so DB's don't even have to worry about the deep out, basically they don't have to cover the whole field, therefore the offense is going to suck and the defense will be under immense pressure to pitch a perfect game every week, then we'll see how much they love Ryan Fitzpatrick.

let's compare the downfield passing of geno and fitz from last year

geno - passes thrown:

21-30 yards - 4/24, 142 yards, 2 TDs, 6 Ints, 39.9 rating
31-40 yards - 2/8, 78 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, 67.7 rating
41+ yards - 0/4, 0 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 0 rating

fitz - passes thrown:

21-30 yards - 9/22, 272 yards, 3 TDs, 1 Ints, 108.3 rating
31-40 yards - 3/5, 160 yards, 2 TD, 1 Int, 104.2 rating
41+ yards - 2/4, 107 yards, 1 TD, 0 Int, 135.4 rating

so for all your talk about not being able to throw downfield, he had a lot more success doing so than geno did last year. i will grant he had better WRs, but with marshall and decker (and hopefully smith when healthy), he will have the tools to work with
 

Superman55

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let's compare the downfield passing of geno and fitz from last year

geno - passes thrown:

21-30 yards - 4/24, 142 yards, 2 TDs, 6 Ints, 39.9 rating
31-40 yards - 2/8, 78 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, 67.7 rating
41+ yards - 0/4, 0 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 0 rating

fitz - passes thrown:

21-30 yards - 9/22, 272 yards, 3 TDs, 1 Ints, 108.3 rating
31-40 yards - 3/5, 160 yards, 2 TD, 1 Int, 104.2 rating
41+ yards - 2/4, 107 yards, 1 TD, 0 Int, 135.4 rating

so for all your talk about not being able to throw downfield, he had a lot more success doing so than geno did last year. i will grant he had better WRs, but with marshall and decker (and hopefully smith when healthy), he will have the tools to work with

Decker, Kerley, and Harvin vs Hopkins and Andre Johnson...Decker and Hopkins numbers are similar, with Hopkins getting 300 more yards on the same # of catches...While Andre's numbers = Kerley + Harvin + Amaro combined...

I agree with your last point, this year's weapons is an apples to apples comparison, IMO.

Just like mariota weapons with titans do not equal Winstons weapons with Bucs...Evans and jackson is a nice unit to build with.
 

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Yeah everybody likes Fitzpatrick now, when character trumps talent, but when the games start to count and the offense is limited due to his lack of arm strength, so DB's don't even have to worry about the deep out, basically they don't have to cover the whole field, therefore the offense is going to suck and the defense will be under immense pressure to pitch a perfect game every week, then we'll see how much they love Ryan Fitzpatrick.
fitzpatrick arm strength didn't prevent him from putting up solid numbers last season & i don't see why it should this season either..

as far as smith, the locker room has spoken with deafening silence.. it's hard to lead grown men that don't believe in you.. i'd be willing to debate that with anyone here (in a gentlemanly fashion of course) at JFU..
 
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fitzpatrick arm strength didn't prevent him from putting up solid numbers last season & i don't see why it should this season either..

as far as smith, the locker room has spoken with deafening silence.. it's hard to lead grown men that don't believe in you.. i'd be willing to debate that with anyone here (in a gentlemanly fashion of course) at JFU..

Good post 13. In my memory of Fitz, yes Smith has a stronger arm, but Fitz is much more accurate upfield. That's something Petty is going to have to work on also. He has a very strong arm, but has a tendency to over throw people deep.

Flynn's coming in today I think. If he is healthy I sign him on the spot. Put smith on partial season IR. See if they can get any kind of draft pick for him from an NFC team, and turn the page
 

hobson54

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Decker, Kerley, and Harvin vs Hopkins and Andre Johnson...Decker and Hopkins numbers are similar, with Hopkins getting 300 more yards on the same # of catches...While Andre's numbers = Kerley + Harvin + Amaro combined...

I agree with your last point, this year's weapons is an apples to apples comparison, IMO.

Just like mariota weapons with titans do not equal Winstons weapons with Bucs...Evans and jackson is a nice unit to build with.


i didn't deny that fitz had better weapons than geno. my post was more to dispel the doom and gloom suggestion that fitz can't stretch the field. with comparable weapons at his disposal with the jets, there's no reason to think he can't successfully throw the ball downfield.

and yes, geno was handicapped to some degree by the mediocre WR corps. but those numbers i posted above are pretty atrocious. can't place all the blame on the WRs. a 16.6% completion percent and 6 Ints to 2 TDs on passes traveling 21-30 yards is awful.
 
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