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How might Geno Smith's surgery affect his return to Jets? We asked a doctor


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on August 14, 2015 at 11:20 AM, updated August 14, 2015 at 5:03 PM




Geno Smith on Thursday had surgery on his broken jaw, and the Jets confirmed he had to have plates and screws inserted instead of having the jaw wired shut.

So: Will that affect the six-to-10-week timetable for Smith's return? No, according to Dr. James Gladstone, the co-chief of sports medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City.

To be clear: Gladstone did not evaluate Smith personally. But he agreed to offer his professional opinion to NJ Advance Media over the phone based on his understanding of what's known about the nature of Smith's injury.

"In some respects, needing plate and screws could indicate that the injury is worse" than if Smith had needed to have his jaw wired shut, Gladstone said. "There are many fragments of bone that have to be pieced back together. That could be done better with plates and screws than with the wiring."

Gladstone said the plates and screws were likely used because Smith, the Jets' quarterback, had more than one break in his jaw, which squares with a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter that said Smith's jaw had been broken in two places thanks to a punch from then-teammate IK Enemkpali.

"By using the plate and screws, you're aligning it straight and putting the pieces back together sort of like jigsaw puzzle, which putting a cast on or wiring the jaw shut can't do," Gladstone said.

Plates and screws also ensures "as perfect an alignment as possible" with the bones, Gladstone said.

None of this, however, will likely affect the initial timetable of six to 10 weeks Smith was given Tuesday, the day of the fateful punch. The bones still have to heal.

"That's a biologic process," Gladstone said. "That takes the same amount of time, whether you're just holding things in place with the wire, or whether you have it in place with the plate and screws. The timetable doesn't change."

A six-week return would have Smith back in time for the Jets' Week 3 game against the Eagles. Ten weeks would take until Week 7 at the Patriots. Not that it matters all that much. Head coach Todd Bowles has said Smith's job is not guaranteed upon his return, and it also sounds like Smith is losing the locker room.

Gladstone also said as long as Smith returns to action once the bones have healed, he shouldn't be at any additional risk of injury beyond the sort that football normally presents to players.

"Once bone heals, it's essentially as strong as it was before," Gladstone said. "In football, you get concussions, you get neck injuries, you get call kinds of extremity injuries and joint injuries. But you rarely hear about a football player breaking his jaw, and I think that's because the helmet does protect that area of the face."

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I posted this in the other thread and I believe it bears mentioning here.......


Why can't everyone here now just acknowledge what is clear by reading between the lines?

Geno Smith is an A$$hole. He's a scumbag, a real POS.

In no way do I condone IK's actions. He should have been cut. But it's clear to me and it should be to everyone else also, that Geno decided to stiff one of his very own teammates. Geno does not realize or acknowledge what he's been told over and over again. He has a higher responsibility. With that responsibility it is incumbent for Geno to show integrity/honesty toward his teammates and set the right example.

He did not do that here. He took the very shallow and extremely immature way out. And that's how you arrive at knowing Geno Smith is a POS.

Try not to spin things because you are a Jets fan. Just acknowledge that just like everything else, things do not always run smoothly. They may not run smoothly because you have the wrong guy on your team. He upsets the chemistry of the team. Geno is a problem here. The sooner people realize that and acknowledge it, the sooner we can realize what we need to do to move forward and fix it.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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Yes I agree. It's the media that's adding fire to this story. What I meant by my blame on Geno and The Jets was they are allowing it to happen without releasing any information or their side of the story. All we have now is IK's side of the story from Ryan Clark that the media ran with. When in a crisis, you're supposed to come out ahead of the story and be proactive not reactive.

Maybe Geno will speak when his jaw heals up a little bit. Who knows where that's at regarding his ability to even talk right now.

And my post shouldn't be taken as a complete defense of Geno Smith. I am certainly questioning his leadership and maturity after this event. He's not just a victim here, as I'm sure he had a hand in making the situation worse. But the reactions I'm seeing around here and in the media, completely blaming Geno and even EXCUSING IK in this train wreck is unsettling. It's disturbing to see people rationalize IK's actions because of some bizarre idea that he was provoked, and therefore justified in what he did.
 

jetgreen13

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I put little weight into beat reporters who write "the locker room isn't behind Geno...they've lost faith in Geno...the silence speaks volumes.."

Sounds like an awful lot of reading between the lines as opposed to factual reality. There's been an awful lot of speculation around here, too, because nobody knows any consensus opinion about Geno Smith regarding the players or the fans. This board represents about 1/500 of the Jets entire fan base.

Point being, Geno is coming back sometime around weeks 4-7. It's not that bad of a situation when you think about it. Fitz gets his shot to take the reins and lead this team, and if we're 2-5 when Geno comes back, he's ready to step in and give it his last shot as a Jet. This Bryce Petty talk is silly though. He only sees the field if the Jets hit rock bottom after Thanksgiving, IMO
a respected NFL QB does not get punched in the face in front of his teammates by anyone much less a kid just trying to make the team.. if smith had his teammates respect the two would have been separated immediately..

another thing, why didn't anyone deal with IK after he dropped their QB??
 

Elias

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Maybe Geno will speak when his jaw heals up a little bit. Who knows where that's at regarding his ability to even talk right now.

And my post shouldn't be taken as a complete defense of Geno Smith. I am certainly questioning his leadership and maturity after this event. He's not just a victim here, as I'm sure he had a hand in making the situation worse. But the reactions I'm seeing around here and in the media, completely blaming Geno and even EXCUSING IK in this train wreck is unsettling. It's disturbing to see people rationalize IK's actions because of some bizarre idea that he was provoked, and therefore justified in what he did.

I agree both are wrong and even with what Geno did, he didn't deserve to get his jaw broken especially if it was a sucker punch. He definitely deserves a fight but not a sucker punch.
 

Savage69

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I agree both are wrong and even with what Geno did, he didn't deserve to get his jaw broken especially if it was a sucker punch. He definitely deserves a fight but not a sucker punch.

In any fight someone has to throw the first punch Geno was being confrontational and in IK's face that's how fights start.. A sucker punch is a unannounced attack that's not what happened..
 

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In any fight someone has to throw the first punch Geno was being confrontational and in IK's face that's how fights start.. A sucker punch is a unannounced attack that's not what happened..
I agree I have tried a few times to make the same point to no avail.
 

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In any fight someone has to throw the first punch Geno was being confrontational and in IK's face that's how fights start.. A sucker punch is a unannounced attack that's not what happened..

In my opinion, a sucker punch is someone who throws a punch when someone isn't ready. Not sure how to call it but I grew up calling it "shooting the fair one" where each of you get in position and square up to start fighting. Meet after school at the school yard to kick someone's ass.

A sucker punch is when someone swings while the other guy isn't anticipating it. He didn't block. Geno should have expected it with the way he was acting but he wasn't so it's kind of a sucker punch.

But everyone has all these definitions of assault, sucker punching, etc. which is why this debate has gone forever lol.
 

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[MENTION=35]Savage69[/MENTION] [MENTION=267]NickSINYC[/MENTION] - let me ask you guys this question. When I was in high school there was this fight that was about to go down, the two kids, were face to face yelling at each other and at any moment one of them was about to swing. However for one quick second, some other kid from the crowd watching yelled out "police" one of the kids turned to look and that is when the other swung, dropped him on his butt and then kept punching him on the floor. Is that a sucker punch? I think yes.

A real fight is when two people are squaring up in my opinion. Anyways, having said that, Geno is lucky it wasn't a real fight or else he'd have more than just a broken jaw. IK is a beast.
 
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a sucker punch is when the person doesn't expect it or is pre-occupied if someone is in your face pointing at you it is your god given right to knock him out before he knocks you out.
 
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[MENTION=35]Savage69[/MENTION] [MENTION=267]NickSINYC[/MENTION] - let me ask you guys this question. When I was in high school there was this fight that was about to go down, the two kids, were face to face yelling at each other and at any moment one of them was about to swing. However for one quick second, some other kid from the crowd watching yelled out "police" one of the kids turned to look and that is when the other swung, dropped him on his butt and then kept punching him on the floor. Is that a sucker punch? I think yes.

A real fight is when two people are squaring up in my opinion. Anyways, having said that, Geno is lucky it wasn't a real fight or else he'd have more than just a broken jaw. IK is a beast.

i would say that is a sucker punch unless he was starting his swing just as other boy yelled cops it would really have to be perfect timing.
 

Savage69

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[MENTION=35]Savage69[/MENTION] [MENTION=267]NickSINYC[/MENTION] - let me ask you guys this question. When I was in high school there was this fight that was about to go down, the two kids, were face to face yelling at each other and at any moment one of them was about to swing. However for one quick second, some other kid from the crowd watching yelled out "police" one of the kids turned to look and that is when the other swung, dropped him on his butt and then kept punching him on the floor. Is that a sucker punch? I think yes.

A real fight is when two people are squaring up in my opinion. Anyways, having said that, Geno is lucky it wasn't a real fight or else he'd have more than just a broken jaw. IK is a beast.
And in the real world that's not how it happens.. Your talking Marquess of Queensberry rules that govern prize fights.. Remember those gangs that were going up to people on the street and clocking them?? That was sucker punching in the 1st degree..
 

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And in the real world that's not how it happens.. Your talking Marquess of Queensberry rules that govern prize fights.. Remember those gangs that were going up to people on the street and clocking them?? That was sucker punching in the 1st degree..

Yea I guess so. Most fights aren't in the traditional way.
 

NickSINYC

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@Savage69 @NickSINYC - let me ask you guys this question. When I was in high school there was this fight that was about to go down, the two kids, were face to face yelling at each other and at any moment one of them was about to swing. However for one quick second, some other kid from the crowd watching yelled out "police" one of the kids turned to look and that is when the other swung, dropped him on his butt and then kept punching him on the floor. Is that a sucker punch? I think yes.

A real fight is when two people are squaring up in my opinion. Anyways, having said that, Geno is lucky it wasn't a real fight or else he'd have more than just a broken jaw. IK is a beast.
If you swing at someone who is being distracted and continue the advantage you did sucker punch him and showed no class.

It 2 people are arguing with fingers waving in faces with both in the others personal space. I see no problem with throwing the 1st punch. We are not mind readers and after being on the wrong side of a 1st punch I prefer it not happen again.
 

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If you swing at someone who is being distracted and continue the advantage you did sucker punch him and showed no class.

It 2 people are arguing with fingers waving in faces with both in the others personal space. I see no problem with throwing the 1st punch. We are not mind readers and after being on the wrong side of a 1st punch I prefer it not happen again.

Fair point. I swear to you I wasn't the one who threw the punch or got punched in that story!
 

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Bullshit. "Game managers" never win shit. They just keep you mediocre and in the neverending cycle of losing and winning just enough to never fix the QB position. A winning team has a QB that makes plays. ALL of them. Trotting a retread loser like Fitz out there gives us NO chance this year. We likely have little chance with Geno too but at least he has upside and potential. Staying pat with Fitz and expecting anything other than the mediocre results he has always posted is just ridiculous. I would much rather they trade for Glennon, or even start Petty than just accept another crappy season under Fitznomagic.
I'm with you on this 100% but to a certain extent. I know that contradictory but let me explain. I would rather have a cheerleader as our QB then Fitz but I still want us to win. We have a winning team this year and at least a chance at the playoffs.

So if Petty or Geno (at this point we need more then that from Geno) can give us the bare minimum and still help us win then I'm all for it. You can see the potential in Petty and Geno, so its something to build off and look forward to. Fitz we all know he is a borderline over the hill, limp throwing and play it safe to the max QB.

He isn't our future obviously but if it takes him this year to help lead us to the playoffs while Petty sits and learns this year, I will regrettably take it. Hopefully Petty will step in next year and is ready to go. But if we can get the same out of Petty or Geno as we will with Fitz this year, then sit his old ass and let the youngsters play.
 

mykcuz

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I dont agree with this being a bad thing for the Jets...it doesnt matter if someone does something wrong, if you care about them you still follow up. You may not agree with their behavior, but you want to make sure they are now in the right mindset and ready to move on. You dont think some players have checked in on Aaron Hernandez? You dont think Brandon Spikes checks in on Hernandez as a teammate at Florida and New England? Just because he checks on him doesnt mean he agrees with Hernandez shooting people...

Dumb subject/article.
I'm not seeing any TO moments regarding geno. That's my quarter back man!
Checking up on someone isn't the story, combine it with no one speaking up for geno, and you have any interesting scenario.

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jetgreen13

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I'm not seeing any TO moments regarding geno. That's my quarter back man!
Checking up on someone isn't the story, combine it with no one speaking up for geno, and you have any interesting scenario.

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smith doesn't seem to be respected/liked by his teammates.. why some refuse to see it for what is anyone's guess..
 

mykcuz

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smith doesn't seem to be respected/liked by his teammates.. why some refuse to see it for what is anyone's guess..
Of course we are all armchair QBs and rely on gossip, but geno never sat well with me, and the fact that idzik thought he was a smart pick,really concerned me.

When he threw a tamper tantrum over not being drafted in the first round, I wanted nothing to do with him.

Then when he threw Rex under the bus last year, it bothered me. The entire team loved the coach and played their hearts out for him, and geno is telling reporters change is good. It may be, but his mentality was not in sync with his teammates.

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jetgreen13

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Of course we are all armchair QBs and rely on gossip, but geno never sat well with me, and the fact that idzik thought he was a smart pick,really concerned me.

When he threw a tamper tantrum over not being drafted in the first round, I wanted nothing to do with him.

Then when he threw Rex under the bus last year, it bothered me. The entire team loved the coach and played their hearts out for him, and geno is telling reporters change is good. It may be, but his mentality was not in sync with his teammates.

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true.. but the circumstantial evidence seems damning, IMHO..
 
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