My #1 FA target on Tuesday is ...

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JULIUS THOMAS

If he survives these next two days without getting re-signed by Denver, for me its Julius Thomas.

First I am aware that we drafted Amaro last year, but we drafted him in the second round, not the first, so he's not making a ton of money, therefore over-investing in the same position is not an issue here.

Second from what I saw in year one, Amaro is a good #2 TE who maybe can grow into a pretty good #1 , but its doubtful he will ever be an elite playmaking TE like Gronk, Jimmy Graham and Julius Thomas, TE's who instantly take your passing game to a whole nother level.

Third he's only 27, so we would be getting this guy in the absolute prime of his career.

That said, for the past few years Jet fans have watched teams hoard these terrific skill position players on offense while we have seemingly remained stuck in the stone ages because we didn't have the personnel to take advantage of every rules change over the past two decades favoring a strong passing game.

NOW WE ARE CLOSE, real close to having a collection of skill position players that are the envy of other teams and not the other way around. We have a chance to put the kind of personnel on the field that gives defensive coordinators nightmares and keeps them awake at night while preparing for the Jets.

Think of it this way, two years ago the Broncos broke damn near every single season offensive record in the book with Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker and Julius Thomas looking like Kellen Winslow Sr. from back in the old Air Coryell days. Until the Legion of Boom got ahold of them in the Super Bowl, a totally healthy LOB I might add, something the busted ass Patriots didn't have to face, but until that game the Broncos offense was a machine, pick your poison, they were damn near impossible to defend.

Granted there is a huge difference between Peyton Manning and Geno Smith or Marcus Mariota, so I have no illusions about breaking NFL records, but their skill position players were off the hook and if Geno or Mariota is even competent, just competent, you should be able to score at least three touchdowns in just about every game that you play.

That said, with he addition of Julius Thomas we would automatically have 2/3's of the trio of receivers who routinely tore the league a new ass two years ago; Decker and Julius, and we would essentially have swapped Demaryius Thomas for Brandon Marshall as the BIG #1 WR in this trio.

Thats how you go from the outhouse to the penthouse with one shrewd move, and thats why Julius is my primary target. This is what I hate about the Jets too, because they always stop just shy of creating a super unit, its been their history for as long as I can remember, they never understand that if you add another great player to an already strong unit, you can turn it into a super unit and that is something to be desired.

Sadly a lot of fans share that sentiment. They don't understand that drafting to your strength, or in this case importing a free agent to what is already shaping up to be a strength, can reap huge rewards if it meets the objective and transforms a strong unit into a super unit. Thats what the Broncos had two years ago when they were posting video game numbers week in and week out, and thats what I'm trying to duplicate here, admittedly without the HOF QB, so again I don't expect that same level of dominance, but I'm trying to create a scenario whereby any halfway decent QB should be able to hang 24 to 31 Points on teams if they simply don't eff it up.
 
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With Geno at QB adding all the skills players on the planet will.be a fail IMO.

Get us a legit QB, a Foles or a Mariota or even a Petty or Grayson, show Geno the exit door and our offense is Miles better
 

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With Geno at QB adding all the skills players on the planet will.be a fail IMO.

Get us a legit QB, a Foles or a Mariota or even a Petty or Grayson, show Geno the exit door and our offense is Miles better
So what if we draft Mariota, a distinct possibility, and he walks into a situation with Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker outside, and Julius Thomas working the middle at TE?

Talk about setting a young QB up to succeed!
 

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JULIUS THOMAS

If he survives these next two days without getting re-signed by Denver, for me its Julius Thomas.

First I am aware that we drafted Amaro last year, but we drafted him in the second round, not the first, so he's not making a ton of money, therefore over-investing in the same position is not an issue here.

Second from what I saw in year one, Amaro is a good #2 TE who maybe can grow into a pretty good #1 , but its doubtful he will ever be an elite playmaking TE like Gronk, Jimmy Graham and Julius Thomas, TE's who instantly take your passing game to a whole nother level.

Third he's only 27, so we would be getting this guy in the absolute prime of his career.

That said, for the past few years Jet fans have watched teams hoard these terrific skill position players on offense while we have seemingly remained stuck in the stone ages because we didn't have the personnel to take advantage of every rules change over the past two decades favoring a strong passing game.

NOW WE ARE CLOSE, real close to having a collection of skill position players that are the envy of other teams and not the other way around. We have a chance to put the kind of personnel on the field that gives defensive coordinators nightmares and keeps them awake at night while preparing for the Jets.

Think of it this way, two years ago the Broncos broke damn near every single season offensive record in the book with Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker and Julius Thomas looking like Kellen Winslow Sr. from back in the old Air Coryell days. Until the Legion of Boom got ahold of them in the Super Bowl, a totally healthy LOB I might add, something the busted ass Patriots didn't have to face, but until that game the Broncos offense was a machine, pick your poison, they were damn near impossible to defend.

Granted there is a huge difference between Peyton Manning and Geno Smith or Marcus Mariota, so I have no illusions about breaking NFL records, but their skill position players were off the hook and if Geno or Mariota is even competent, just competent, you should be able to score at least three touchdowns in just about every game that you play.

That said, with he addition of Julius Thomas we would automatically have 2/3's of the trio of receivers who routinely tore the league a new ass two years ago; Decker and Julius, and we would essentially have swapped Demaryius Thomas for Brandon Marshall as the BIG #1 WR in this trio.

Thats how you go from the outhouse to the penthouse with one shrewd move, and thats why Julius is my primary target. This is what I hate about the Jets too, because they always stop just shy of creating a super unit, its been their history for as long as I can remember, they never understand that if you add another great player to an already strong unit, you can turn it into a super unit and that is something to be desired.

Sadly a lot of fans share that sentiment. They don't understand that drafting to your strength, or in this case importing a free agent to what is already shaping up to be a strength, can reap huge rewards if it meets the objective and transforms a strong unit into a super unit. Thats what the Broncos had two years ago when they were posting video game numbers week in and week out, and thats what I'm trying to duplicate here, admittedly without the HOF QB, so again I don't expect that same level of dominance, but I'm trying to create a scenario whereby any halfway decent QB should be able to hang 24 to 31 Points on teams if they simply don't eff it up.

I like your thinking of creating a super unit but I think our top priority should be an offensive lineman. Geno or any other young lineman needs some time to throw and that will help them improve tremendously. If we can somehow recreate what we had in 09 in terms of oline then we are in good shape for some damage offensively.

I can't wait until Tuesday! Awesome that no news leaked as to who the Jets are targeting. All speculation!
 

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Julius Thomas as a rookie totaled 1 rec for 5 yds. Respectfully disagree Ham. Let's give Amaro a chance


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jets82

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This here I can't go with. The Jets have lots if other needs to fill and TE isn't a priority or one of them period. The o-line has to be addressed ASAP. Also CB, LB and QB ofcourse (not by FA). Maybe even safety. Now with Marshall our WR situation is straight. They still can sign another one but why? Or draft one in the later rounds, I think that would be better. Anyway, I believe we are OK with Amaro, Cumberland and Zudfeld. Priority is building up the o-line to help whichever QB is going to throw the ball.
 

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Julius Thomas as a rookie totaled 1 rec for 5 yds. Respectfully disagree Ham. Let's give Amaro a chance




For as "bad" as people think Amaro was last year..he did have the most receptions of rookie TE's and second most receiving yards....with a lot of people saying TE's..especially if you are going to do both blocking and receiving..is one of the absolute toughest for rookies to comprehend and get acclimated to
 
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I 100% agree with the idea of setting up a young QB to succeed. Rex Ryan did that with Mark Sanchez and it ended horribly, but Rex should hold his head up high that Sanchez was given every benefit in an effort that he succeed. Regardless of the outcome with Sanchez, this is still the best and only way IMO to train a young QB.

However, I do not agree that Julius Thomas is the answer, I wouldn't put him in Gronk or Jimmy Thomas territory. Jace Amaro can still be a weapon that is only going to get better.

There are also a lot of options in FA and through the draft that can also solve the need to set your young QB up to succeed. Mostly I think that constitutes building a great running game. It gives a young QB something to use like a crutch. It can also eventually draw 8 defenders into the box and that will open up confidence building opportunities through the air for a young QB.

The Jets are close on that front. They have a very good RB to begin with, but they need depth and blocking. A FB, OL, and a drafted RB to compliment what Ivory does well.

Moves of that nature would do more to help a young QB than signing a very expensive TE.
 

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However, I do not agree that Julius Thomas is the answer, I wouldn't put him in Gronk or Jimmy Thomas territory.
For as great as Jimmy Graham is, you know how many TD's he's caught over the past two years?

26, which is an amazing number for a TE, but you know how many Julius Thomas has over the same two years?

24, and unlike Graham he is was NOT the primary target in Denver, Demaryius Thomas is. In N.O. they don't even have a WR as good as Eric Decker or Emmanuel Sanders, ITS ALL JIMMY GRAHAM, but Julius Thomas still had almost as many TD catches over the past two years.

In two reletively healthy back-to-back years Gronk had 27, again an amazing number for TE's, but again he was Brady's primary target by a country mile and still Julius Thomas is right there with him, and Julius missed five games over the past two years, so his 24 came in 27 Games.

If you guys don't want to make a run at Julius thats fine, but he absolutely IS in the same class as Gronk & Graham, and you can't even argue that his numbers are overinflated by Peyton, because Brady and Brees are hardly chopped liver.
 

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I'd use resources to fill a bigger need. Why spend on a strength, when CB, G, and QB are still so weak?
 

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I'd use resources to fill a bigger need. Why spend on a strength, when CB, G, and QB are still so weak?
Who says we can only sign Julius Thomas?

I don't know where we stand now if you subtract Harvin's 10 million, but we went into the off season with well over 50 million in cap space and I have to believe we are still in a position, even after the Marshall trade and Harris contract, to sign Julius Thomas and a lot more if we want too, and really we have no choice because this year we are mandated to spend most of the cap space we hoarded last year, and I would like to get at least one real DIFFERENCE MAKER out of this free agent crop, like Miami is getting with Suh, and for me that guy is Julius Thomas, then get me Byron Maxwell at CB, Hoyer or Locker at QB, and deal with the O-line too.
 

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I didn't say only, but if given a choice between signing a top-tier CB and G and no TE, or signing a second-tier CB and G and Thomas, I'll take the top-tier CB and G.
 

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I didn't say only, but if given a choice between signing a top-tier CB and G and no TE, or signing a second-tier CB and G and Thomas, I'll take the top-tier CB and G.
Fine but its not a choice. We have way too much cap space for it to be a choice. Julius is the best FA left on the market in my view who is young and in his prime, then Revis who is 30 and has had a torn ACL, but I want a difference maker with all of this cap space, then fill the other holes too. By no means am I stopping at Julius, but if its me I'm going to war for this player with our cap money. If Miami can sign Suh to a 114 million dollar deal, 60 million guaranteed, and they had nothing close to our cap space, then I want Julius Thomas or I want to die fighting for him.
 

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Fine but its not a choice. We have way too much cap space for it to be a choice. Julius is the best FA left on the market in my view who is young and in his prime, then Revis who is 30 and has had a torn ACL, but I want a difference maker with all of this cap space, then fill the other holes too. By no means am I stopping at Julius, but if its me I'm going to war for this player with our cap money. If Miami can sign Suh to a 100+ million dollar deal, and they had nothing close to our cap space, then I want Julius Thomas or I want to die fighting for him.

The question is, can Miami sign Suh AND keep their good young guys?

The Jets will be due to pay Mo and Sheldon pretty soon. Until they are locked up and the other holes filled, TE is a luxury, not a necessity.
 

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The question is, can Miami sign Suh AND keep their good young guys?

The Jets will be due to pay Mo and Sheldon pretty soon. Until they are locked up and the other holes filled, TE is a luxury, not a necessity.
Sheldon is two years away so thats not something we need to be worried about now, that can wait until next off season at which point you can always cut some dead weight to free up more cap space for the guys you have to keep, but I agree that a big chuck of this years money has to be put aside for Wilkerson, either that or we can use the tag on him at seasons end, though I would rather get him extended.
 
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For as great as Jimmy Graham is, you know how many TD's he's caught over the past two years?

26, which is an amazing number for a TE, but you know how many Julius Thomas has over the same two years?

24, and unlike Graham he is was NOT the primary target in Denver, Demaryius Thomas is. In N.O. they don't even have a WR as good as Eric Decker or Emmanuel Sanders, ITS ALL JIMMY GRAHAM, but Julius Thomas still had almost as many TD catches over the past two years.

In two reletively healthy back-to-back years Gronk had 27, again an amazing number for TE's, but again he was Brady's primary target by a country mile and still Julius Thomas is right there with him, and Julius missed five games over the past two years, so his 24 came in 27 Games.

If you guys don't want to make a run at Julius thats fine, but he absolutely IS in the same class as Gronk & Graham, and you can't even argue that his numbers are overinflated by Peyton, because Brady and Brees are hardly chopped liver.

Well, maybe he is in the same class as Gronk and Jimmy Thomas, but it still would not be the most prudent way to set your young QB up to succeed.

1) With the Jets looking to get Darrelle Revis in FA, he will be our high ticket item. They will not be getting two IMO.

2) Julius Thomas is going to cost an enormous amount of money. Going forward that would not be a wise choice. The Jets have so many needs all over their team that breaking the bank on a TE, especially when we already a young up and coming on our team, is foolish.

3) Brandon Marshall will start to complain about money also if Thomas gets signed for huge money. Eric Decker was overpaid to begin with to be our number 2 WR. Julius Thomas would be making Fort Knox and you don't think that might get Brandon Marshall thinking?

4) Like I already posted there are much more wise ways to invest in talent to help a young QB flourish. In fact, I think improving on an already OK running game would do more for a young QB than signing a very high ticket TE. A FB and OL would provide many more than one benefit for a young QB.

5) Now you may claim he's every bit as good as say Jimmy Graham and maybe he is, but there's NO doubt he will not be catching as many touchdowns with the Jets. You'd better get used to that idea.

I completely disagree with signing Julius Thomas. I am also confident that Julius Thomas is not even a thought that crossed Mike McCagnan's mind. As it shouldn't be.
 

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1) With the Jets looking to get Darrelle Revis in FA, he will be our high ticket item. They will not be getting two IMO.
IMO making Revis the high ticket item, over Julius, is poor management. Revis is not the same Revis who was shutting down the best WR's in the game when he was with the Jets. That Revis was 26 or 27, in his prime, and had not yet torn his ACL. The guy we would be getting now is still good, but he is not the same great player we remember, and chasing that player (who no longer exists) for big ticket item money, over a dynamic 27 Y.O. TE who instantly takes your passing game to another level, in my view is a mistake. I would rather sign Julius as the big ticket item, then sign a CB like Byron Maxwell who is younger and not too far away from the player Revis is now. Revis is still better, but Maxwell has size, speed and he can ball, and he'll come a lot cheaper.
 

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"A lot cheaper" means $25MM guaranteed, because that's what Philly and Maxwell agreed to.
 

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"A lot cheaper" means $25MM guaranteed, because that's what Philly and Maxwell agreed to.
Like i said, a lot cheaper than Revis, just watch what Revis gets and you'll see, he'll get at least 40 million in guarantees, maybe upwards of 50. If this is a done deal, I'm disappointed the Jets let Maxwell agree with Philly. I would have given him the same deal for us.
 
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