New quarterback trade possibility

[cysporsche]

But he is way better than your boy Cam, who makes 21 mill.

Kevin, I don't agree. I'd take Cam over Russell if I was starting a team. Russell is on a better team, but Cam is a better QB. And my wife's nephew is Russell Wilson's best friend, so I know all there is to know about Russell Wilson.

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Kevin, I don't agree. I'd take Cam over Russell if I was starting a team. Russell is on a better team, but Cam is a better QB. And my wife's nephew is Russell Wilson's best friend, so I know all there is to know about Russell Wilson.

Go Jets...Cyborg

I don't think Wilson is elite, but I think he's better than Cam who is a little overrated in my view.

I have Wilson behind Phil Rivers and BIG BEN, but ahead of Cam.

Peyton is old and breaking down physically, but I still have to rank him ahead of those guys.

MY TOP 15

01. Aaron Rodgers
02. Tom Brady
03. Andrew Luck
04. Peyton Manning
05. Drew Brees
06. BIG BEN
07. Phil Rivers
08. Tony Romo
09. Matt Stafford
10. Russell Wilson
11. Joe Flacco
12. Cam Newton
13. Colin Kaepernick
14. Matt Ryan
15. Eli Manning

 

[Superman55]

If others insulted you half as often as you insult everyone else, you'd be whining constantly about being attacked.

We get it. You're the smartest guy here. You're the smartest guy anywhere. Anyone who dares hold a different opinion than yours is just stupid.

Riddle me this...am I going to be wrong? You're saying Wilson won't get close to 25? I'm sorry if being realistic is being a prick. You keep selling the story to everyone water isn't wet. You have that intellectual debate. I'll pass on some stupid notion Wilson will get paid less than Kaepernick, Dalton, Tannehill, and Cam. I apologize for not swallowing that load of shit.

 

[Superman55]

I don't think Wilson is elite, but I think he's better than Cam who is a little overrated in my view.

I have Wilson behind Phil Rivers and BIG BEN, but ahead of Cam.

Peyton is old and breaking down physically, but I still have to rank him ahead of those guys.

MY TOP 15

01. Aaron Rodgers
02. Tom Brady
03. Andrew Luck
04. Peyton Manning
05. Drew Brees
06. BIG BEN
07. Phil Rivers
08. Tony Romo
09. Matt Stafford
10. Russell Wilson
11. Joe Flacco
12. Cam Newton
13. Colin Kaepernick
14. Matt Ryan
15. Eli Manning

Almost exactly how is rate them, but I'd have Wilson, Flacco, Stafford. I have Stafford a few notches lower but rank the QBs almost identical (I'd probably have Luck #2 )...and this D and a fring top 10 QB is pushing for SBs annually...pretty sure if the jets pushed for SBs annually, we'd all sign up for that.

Note: you're also saying...Wilson isn't elite...but he is a top 10 QB. Jets fans on this very site out of one side of their mouth say they want a franchise QB...then say they dont want a top 10 QB that is 26 years old and annually takes his team to the Super Bowl...and say what you want, the Seahawks are the Rams/Cards without Wilson...they're 8-8, 9-7 trying to sneak into the play-offs, with Wilson, they're in the SB annually. I see our D and run game inline with those 2 teams (at least) and Wilson being the missing piece to be in the super bowl. The difference between us being 8-8 and 12-4 is likely obtaining a QB in his ilk...Still dont understand how obtaining a top 10 QB that doesnt turn the ball over and has his team knocking on SB championships annually isnt worth Mo and 2 first rd picks.

Im not going to take Petty may be Wilson posts too seriously...everyone who drafts a QB rd 3 or lower hopes for the next Wilson or Tom...few teams find the next Wilson and Brady...its probably a 1-5% chance that happens. Wilson is a 26 year old known/proven commodity that will have Seattle knocking on the door for a SB again next year...keeping elite QBs watching the SB at home just like me...right, Mr. Rodgers...

 

[SackExchange]

Riddle me this...am I going to be wrong? You're saying Wilson won't get close to 25? I'm sorry if being realistic is being a prick. You keep selling the story to everyone water isn't wet. You have that intellectual debate. I'll pass on some stupid notion Wilson will get paid less than Kaepernick, Dalton, Tannehill, and Cam. I apologize for not swallowing that load of shit.

For someone as ridiculously arrogant and inflated about his own intellect as you are, you sure have a reading comprehension issue. I think you may be so self-absorbed that you assign to others what it is they said, rather than bothering to read their comments. I NEVER said he would not get that money.

I said he wasn't worth it. Deals like Flacco's blew up the market. He may very well get $25MM.

Now it's your turn to misquote me again.

 

[sg3]

Nobody said Wilson is a bad QB. What most said is that your proposal of trading away Wilkerson, Fitzpatrick, Petty and next years first round pick is way to much and I only added that it would also be damaging because, if Wilson were to get injured we'd be saddled for another season with the worst starting QB in the NFL and no viable backup

 

[Elias]

Almost exactly how is rate them, but I'd have Wilson, Flacco, Stafford. I have Stafford a few notches lower but rank the QBs almost identical (I'd probably have Luck #2 )...and this D and a fring top 10 QB is pushing for SBs annually...pretty sure if the jets pushed for SBs annually, we'd all sign up for that.

Note: you're also saying...Wilson isn't elite...but he is a top 10 QB. Jets fans on this very site out of one side of their mouth say they want a franchise QB...then say they dont want a top 10 QB that is 26 years old and annually takes his team to the Super Bowl...and say what you want, the Seahawks are the Rams/Cards without Wilson...they're 8-8, 9-7 trying to sneak into the play-offs, with Wilson, they're in the SB annually. I see our D and run game inline with those 2 teams (at least) and Wilson being the missing piece to be in the super bowl. The difference between us being 8-8 and 12-4 is likely obtaining a QB in his ilk...Still dont understand how obtaining a top 10 QB that doesnt turn the ball over and has his team knocking on SB championships annually isnt worth Mo and 2 first rd picks.

Im not going to take Petty may be Wilson posts too seriously...everyone who drafts a QB rd 3 or lower hopes for the next Wilson or Tom...few teams find the next Wilson and Brady...its probably a 1-5% chance that happens. Wilson is a 26 year old known/proven commodity that will have Seattle knocking on the door for a SB again next year...keeping elite QBs watching the SB at home just like me...right, Mr. Rodgers...

My issue with signing Wilson at that cost is that it will prohibit us/Seahawks from making any moves that allow him to be in the SB annually. Only reason he made it two years in a row is because he's good (top 10) but the rest of the roster is great. Put him with a crappy defense and limited running game, let's see what happens. We might find out as early as next year when he gets paid and there will have to be cap casualties.

 

[hobson54]

I don't think Wilson is elite, but I think he's better than Cam who is a little overrated in my view.

I have Wilson behind Phil Rivers and BIG BEN, but ahead of Cam.

Peyton is old and breaking down physically, but I still have to rank him ahead of those guys.

MY TOP 15

01. Aaron Rodgers
02. Tom Brady
03. Andrew Luck
04. Peyton Manning
05. Drew Brees
06. BIG BEN
07. Phil Rivers
08. Tony Romo
09. Matt Stafford
10. Russell Wilson
11. Joe Flacco
12. Cam Newton
13. Colin Kaepernick
14. Matt Ryan
15. Eli Manning

i would take wilson over romo and stafford, and possibly even rivers.

wilson is a winner. romo and stafford haven't won squat. romo is 35 years old and has 2 career playoff wins. stafford is 27 years old and has only played in 2 playoff games (both losses)

they may put up better fantasy football numbers, but if i'm building a team, i'm taking wilson over them. i understand wilson has been on a better team, but if those guys are so good, they should have been able to elevate their teams at least once in all these years.

as to rivers, his age would be a factor. for the short-term, i think it's a toss-up, and probably lean towards rivers. but if we are talking about building the jets for the future (hyopthetically of course, as i don't think either are realistically available), i'm taking wilson.

 

[SackExchange]

Nobody said Wilson is a bad QB. What most said is that your proposal of trading away Wilkerson, Fitzpatrick, Petty and next years first round pick is way to much and I only added that it would also be damaging because, if Wilson were to get injured we'd be saddled for another season with the worst starting QB in the NFL and no viable backup

I think it's giving up too much when you need to turn around and pay the guy $25MM per.

I'd love having him. But if I am paying $3MM more than the top guy at his position is making, he had better be one of the top 3-5 guys.

Is Wilson worth $3MM per year more than Aaron Rodgers?

 

[hobson54]

I think it's giving up too much when you need to turn around and pay the guy $25MM per.

I'd love having him. But if I am paying $3MM more than the top guy at his position is making, he had better be one of the top 3-5 guys.

Is Wilson worth $3MM per year more than Aaron Rodgers?

i'm not sure you can look at it that way. rodgers signed his extension before the 2013 season. if he were signing it today, or a free agent on the market, he would probably be getting closer to $27 million per.

the QB market is sky-rocketing. now i'm not sure if wilson is worth $25 million, but in this day, when you have 6 QBs making $20MM or more on an average value, and 7 more making at least $17 mil annually, when young good QBs reach time to renegotiate their rookie contracts (especially ones with 2 SB appearances and 1 SB ring), they will be getting over $20 mil per.

so i'm not sure if wilson is worth $25 mil (and we have no idea if he would get that), but he's very likely to get at least $20 mil per, and possibly could be approaching $25 mil

 

[Superman55]

My issue with signing Wilson at that cost is that it will prohibit us/Seahawks from making any moves that allow him to be in the SB annually. Only reason he made it two years in a row is because he's good (top 10) but the rest of the roster is great. Put him with a crappy defense and limited running game, let's see what happens. We might find out as early as next year when he gets paid and there will have to be cap casualties.

How many QBs are good in that environment? Aaron Rodgers gets 22 mill a year and I don't read the packers GM whinning about it...they seem to have built a pretty good roster despite that price tag. Manning made 20-25 mill the last few years for the Broncos...you hear their fans and elway whinning or just getting it done with players around him.

Are you implying a guy in college who never turned it over in the ncaa or NFL to date would become INT happy if on a lesser team? He doesn't look anything like Eli or Flacco to me...he looks like Tom Brady to me...a winner, conservative, mobile Tom Brady...who is amongst the worst QBs in the league when he gets hit or throws over 9 yards...but his head and decision making keeps him elite...I feel that's Wilson with a better deep ball.

He's the next Brady, IMO. It's not pretty, not aaron Rodgers, but as you say what he isn't, he keeps winning and not caring he's not aaron Rodgers.

 

[Superman55]

Nobody said Wilson is a bad QB. What most said is that your proposal of trading away Wilkerson, Fitzpatrick, Petty and next years first round pick is way to much and I only added that it would also be damaging because, if Wilson were to get injured we'd be saddled for another season with the worst starting QB in the NFL and no viable backup

Same thing that happens if Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Peyton, Brees, Eli, Flacco, or Matt Ryan gets hurt. Teams that have franchise QBs are built around them; and when their QB gets hurt, so does their record.

If you traded for Wilson, you'd have a Fitzpatrick, Cassell, or another hold the fort vet behind them.

Do you think if Petty pans out and becomes a stud, if he gets hurt we'll have much more behind them than Fitzpatrick/ Brunell type? I feel with Brady and Peyton they're SB run if healthy, 7-9 if hurt. I'm not sure if we acquired Wilson we'd be any different...except with Geno/Fitzpatrick we are likely a 8-8 team with them, ie no realistic SB run in our future.

I don't think you make moves with their injury in mind. You make a trade based on short and long term potential.

 

[Superman55]

For someone as ridiculously arrogant and inflated about his own intellect as you are, you sure have a reading comprehension issue. I think you may be so self-absorbed that you assign to others what it is they said, rather than bothering to read their comments. I NEVER said he would not get that money.

I said he wasn't worth it. Deals like Flacco's blew up the market. He may very well get $25MM.

Now it's your turn to misquote me again.

His market value is ~25 mill no matter how much you bitch about it. Name call all you want. Facts are facts.

 

[SackExchange]

i'm not sure you can look at it that way. rodgers signed his extension before the 2013 season. if he were signing it today, or a free agent on the market, he would probably be getting closer to $27 million per.

the QB market is sky-rocketing. now i'm not sure if wilson is worth $25 million, but in this day, when you have 6 QBs making $20MM or more on an average value, and 7 more making at least $17 mil annually, when young good QBs reach time to renegotiate their rookie contracts (especially ones with 2 SB appearances and 1 SB ring), they will be getting over $20 mil per.

so i'm not sure if wilson is worth $25 mil (and we have no idea if he would get that), but he's very likely to get at least $20 mil per, and possibly could be approaching $25 mil

I agree that the market has escalated since Rodgers signed his deal. But look at teams that have signed second tier QBs to first tier dollars. It deteriorates the rest of the roster.

I think Wilson is a very good QB, and based on the market, $20MM is reasonable. I don't like the market, but it's what it is. It just seems like an awful lot to trade a lot of value for him, only to sign him to a contract that will make you lose even more value to free agency.

Deal Mo as part of a package for Wilson. Sign Wilson to the huge extension he wants. Think you're keeping Richardson? Not a chance. Can't afford to upgrade the OL, or come up with a more permanent fixture at WR when Mashall is done.

 

[Superman55]

I agree that the market has escalated since Rodgers signed his deal. But look at teams that have signed second tier QBs to first tier dollars. It deteriorates the rest of the roster.

I think Wilson is a very good QB, and based on the market, $20MM is reasonable. I don't like the market, but it's what it is. It just seems like an awful lot to trade a lot of value for him, only to sign him to a contract that will make you lose even more value to free agency.

Deal Mo as part of a package for Wilson. Sign Wilson to the huge extension he wants. Think you're keeping Richardson? Not a chance. Can't afford to upgrade the OL, or come up with a more permanent fixture at WR when Mashall is done.

The packers, Broncos, and patriots are doing fine building around their 20 mill QBs...whoa is us, we'd have a franchise QB...if Mac got us a franchise QB, you wouldnt trust he could build around them?

If Ted Thompson can, I'll assume Mac can.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Note: you're also saying...Wilson isn't elite...but he is a top 10 QB.

Still dont understand how obtaining a top 10 QB that doesnt turn the ball over and has his team knocking on SB championships annually isnt worth Mo and 2 first rd picks.

If that was the price I would make the trade. Its a lot to give up, make no mistake about it, but its a price I can live with for a TOP 10 QB just coming into his prime, because we drafted Leonard Williams who can slide in for Wilkerson and we wouldn't be giving anything else away from the active roster.

IMO it puts us in a much stronger position to make a SB run this year, with Wilson and this defense, but its not a small window like the Broncos when they acquired Peyton, this is a move for the long haul too.

Lastly I like that Wilson, hard as it might seem to believe considering he's been to back-to-back SB's, is still an ascending player with upside. Right now I have him at # 10 on my list, but in two years he could conceivably be higher. He's a third year player this year despite all of his early success. He could become a more efficient passer and probably will. Add that to his escapability and he could conceivably become one of the most dangerous QB's in the sport.

 

[SackExchange]

His market value is ~25 mill no matter how much you bitch about it. Name call all you want. Facts are facts.

Which is why I don't want the Jets doing it. If the Jets are going to have the highest paid QB, I want one of the best QBs. I don't want the Jets to pay great money for good players.

But I also don't go around saying how I'm right about everything, and people who have a different opinion than mine are stupid. Standing up to your faux intellectual bullying is a far cry from name-calling.

You have every right to argue that Wilson is worth the money. I disagree, but I don't call you stupid for having your opinion. But when you belittle people for holding a different opinion than you, I have no issue calling you out on it. That is my right. And it's my right to point out when you misquote people and put words in their mouths, like you frequently do here.

 

[SackExchange]

The packers, Broncos, and patriots are doing fine building around their 20 mill QBs...whoa is us, we'd have a franchise QB...if Mac got us a franchise QB, you wouldnt trust he could build around them?

If Ted Thompson can, I'll assume Mac can.

It's "woe is us." Not "whoa."

The Pats, Broncos, and Packers have three of the top five QBs in the league. Wilson is not in that category. He's top 10, I agree. A very good QB. And I think Wilson could absolutely win here.

The problem is, eventually, paying good QBs great money can catch up to you. Brady, Manning, and Rodgers are great. Some of the guys who have gotten huge contracts are not.

 

[Superman55]

If that was the price I would make the trade. Its a lot to give up, make no mistake about it, but its a price I can live with for a TOP 10 QB just coming into his prime, because we drafted Leonard Williams who can slide in for Wilkerson and we wouldn't be giving anything else away from the active roster.

IMO it puts us in a much stronger position to make a SB run this year, with Wilson and this defense, but its not a small window like the Broncos when they acquired Peyton, this is a move for the long haul too.

Lastly I like that Wilson, hard as it might seem to believe considering he's been to back-to-back SB's, is still an ascending player with upside. Right now I have him at # 10 on my list, but in two years he could conceivably be higher. He's a third year player this year despite all of his early success. He could become a more efficient passer and probably will. Add that to his escapability and he could conceivably become one of the most dangerous QB's in the sport.

We will never get a shot at him. No team will (because every NFL GM knows he's worth every cent, he'll, would you even be worried about him playing in NYC vs the media or the super high expectations? No. Because his character and family and religious and military background is so impressive). If not for height, he'd be considered amongst the best QBs in the league.

In 3 years if we looked back on this thread we'd say, we thought 25 mill/year was too much for a 26 year old Brady/Montana type? As we all watch the 29 year okd sure hall of famer in the playoffs again, and again, and again.

I keep reading the whoa would be usif we had him as we forget who he has been throwing to...what great WRs has he led to the super bowl? Doug Baldwin? Seriously?

Who is that other QB making run after run after run to the SB with no WRs (Wilson has never had WRs, so having no cap room to sign them won't be new to him)...oh yeah...that Brady guy...

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I said he wasn't worth it. Deals like Flacco's blew up the market. He may very well get $25MM.

That too me is the real argument against trading for Wilson. I could live with the price for the trade that Super cited earlier (see my prior post), but I agree that he's not worth that kind of cap killing contract right now, despite his early team success. I just don't view him as a $25M QB despite what the market dictates, but as I also said above, he's still an ascending player who could conceivably become the kind of QB who justifies that kind of mega contract. If he becomes a more efficient passer ... okay, who am I kidding, a more lethal passer ... and you add that to the rest of his skill set, then you have Tarkenton with a stronger arm, and the last time I looked Fran Tarkenton was in the Hall of Fame.