Our OL situation as of right now

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My untrained eye agrees on Tippmann, looks to be a keeper. Becton seems ok at RT, looks like he is not playing cautiously which is big in this stage of mental recovery.
are you talking about play in tonight’s game?
 

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We don't have the Money (unless we cut Becton and others with $$$$$) to trade for a good OL. Of course Joe D can trade for another High school talent wise worthless OL to plug in as a stop gap IR candidate. We had the chance in the Draft to address the OL, but JD seemed happy with the crap we had, other than AVT. We got Tipperman, but should have addressed more with our first Rd pick.
 

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To offer my $0.02, zone is more popular these days. It really got going when Barry Sanders was with the Lions, and then became hot when the Broncos showed you can succeed with RBs who aren't all-time greats in the late 90s.. The benefit is that it allows linemen to use their leverage and take defenders where their momentum is taking them. Smaller, more athletic linemen can thrive in this scheme, as it utilizes quickness, reach blocks, and getting to the second level. It accounts for twists and stunts. RBs who can read those blocks, have patience, and then can make that one cut and hit the hole can thrive in such a system.

Gap scheme utilizes quick reads. OL are to block the gaps. C-G gaps are known as A gap, G-T gaps are B, T-E gaps are C, and so on. It is neither a truly zone nor a truly man scheme. It allows for a lot of down blocks, which means blocking the gap away from the hole you are running. The benefit is that linemen already have the angle on the DL. It doesn't require the road grader at RT or G that a true man scheme would, but it also doesn't require the extreme athleticism of zone scheme. The backside, or the side away from which you are running, may have a guard pull. If so, every play side lineman and the C would down block, taking the gap away from the hole being run, and the guard can kick out the first man on or outside that hole. DL who are shaded away from the hole would get picked up by the down block at the point of attack.

I apologize if this is a bit technical, but...well, so seldom do I get to talk about this stuff.
A couple of things to add...
You mentioned the Broncos. They used zone-blocking to upset the Packers in the superbowl

...the Broncos showed you can succeed with RBs who aren't all-time greats in the late 90s.
I think that's more of a happenstance. Terrell Davis did win the MVP award after all. And great RBs will set up the o-line leverage by their movements.
 

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I had the same thought about possibly sliding Becton inside to RG, but I think he may be a prototype RT if his knee can hold up to playing it. The problem is moving him in just creates an even larger crater at OT.

I think Tomlinson is done here. Anything out of him is gravy. With Mitchell, he's not an ideal scheme fit and I'm not sure he is 100% comfortable after the blood clots. Turner is a fine depth guy, but cannot be relied upon for anything significant.
Here's the thing about moving Becton inside. He's 6'7" Maintaining pad level might be a problem for him.
 

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A couple of things to add...
You mentioned the Broncos. They used zone-blocking to upset the Packers in the superbowl

...the Broncos showed you can succeed with RBs who aren't all-time greats in the late 90s.
I think that's more of a happenstance. Terrell Davis did win the MVP award after all. And great RBs will set up the o-line leverage by their movements.
Good point about TD. There was a stretch when the Broncos had the scheme running so well, they could just keep rotating RBs year after year and have the new guys step right in and put up great numbers.
 

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Here's the thing about moving Becton inside. He's 6'7" Maintaining pad level might be a problem for him.
Too high a center of gravity? Yeah, I had been thinking about that. But then I think about a guy like Robert Gallery, who had to be close to Becton's height, and he did the transition.

That said, RT is more of a hole right now, and Becton may plug that hole well.
 

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We don't have the Money (unless we cut Becton and others with $$$$$) to trade for a good OL. Of course Joe D can trade for another High school talent wise worthless OL to plug in as a stop gap IR candidate. We had the chance in the Draft to address the OL, but JD seemed happy with the crap we had, other than AVT. We got Tipperman, but should have addressed more with our first Rd pick.
AR took a payout which opened $30 M in the cap so what the hell are you talking about. Even paying up to $8 M to Dalvin still leaves us with $ 21 M in cap space.

Trading for any tackle or olineman won't hinder our financial situation.
 

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Here's the thing about moving Becton inside. He's 6'7" Maintaining pad level might be a problem for him.
No OLM plays to their physical height when playing they are in a stance making them 4 to 6 inches shorter then they really are. So AR does not have a vision issue if Becton is on the inside.

Plus AR thrives on the outside routes more than slants and inside the seam routes so no problem there.
 

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With 2 RBs that utilize power then accesses speed after first contact needs power blockers on the inside to drive defenders off the ball and into the second level.

For me having AVT at left guard would be happy to give Max Mitchell the reigns at left tackle to use his athleticism to block that outside rushers.

Still comes down who will play on the right side. Becton would be better RG than RT but do we have someone to pair with Becton on the right side?
 

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No OLM plays to their physical height when playing they are in a stance making them 4 to 6 inches shorter then they really are. So AR does not have a vision issue if Becton is on the inside.

Plus AR thrives on the outside routes more than slants and inside the seam routes so no problem there.
Well it doesn't matter at this point because I think that Becton will start at tackle.
 

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Becton had a couple of pancakes last night. When he gets leverage you can definitely see the dominant strength
 

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Mekhi Becton showed he can play and play well.
The only question is he right tackle only? If, yes then vs Tampa he earned his job for the season.

But right now we do not know who is our starting left tackle. Is #69 a play for us then it would solve that situation.
Will they platoon this position? Did Max show enough to be given the shot to be our left tackle?

I still believe AVT is our best option but he would be a bolster at LG if Max is the guy at LT..

Tipps at center is almost a guarantee.

Now what about RG?
 

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Mekhi Becton showed he can play and play well.
The only question is he right tackle only? If, yes then vs Tampa he earned his job for the season.

But right now we do not know who is our starting left tackle. Is #69 a play for us then it would solve that situation.
Will they platoon this position? Did Max show enough to be given the shot to be our left tackle?

I still believe AVT is our best option but he would be a bolster at LG if Max is the guy at LT..

Tipps at center is almost a guarantee.

Now what about RG?
If the team was still running a zone scheme, I'd be opposed to him playing LT.
 

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Huge difference in the run game with Becton out there. All be it a small sample size, but he did his job yesterday.

“The Jets averaged 9.5 yards per attempt on eight carries with Becton on the field, rushing for 76 total yards. Without Becton, the Jets averaged just 3.6 yards per attempt on the same number of carries.”
 

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I followed Mitchell for a couple of plays and he seemed to be holding up OK in pass protection. But we know Brown is durable, having played most of the season with a torn rotator cuff. Next season Becton can take the spot if he proves his durability. So Mitchell spells Brown for minor knocks and Becton moves back across for major injuries. McGovern starts at center and if Tomlinson goofs off at LG we can move AVT over to his natural position and have Tippman play RG. Becton starts at RT backed up by Turner.
 
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