Scott, When I watched Petty @ the Combines I said this kid has a better & stronger arm than Winston or Mariota. I hope we don't rush him.
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Pick #103 - Bryce Petty - QB - Baylor
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Scott, When I watched Petty @ the Combines I said this kid has a better & stronger arm than Winston or Mariota. I hope we don't rush him.
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I particularly agree with the bolded portion of your quote. I think what discounts Petty vs MM in some eyes is that he is older and doesn't have the shear athleticism of MM. I also think that there is precedent for difficulty in transitioning from Baylor/Briles' offense to NFL with RG3. People are of the opinion that the Oregon offense may have more NFL elements than Baylor's.
Or as Jaws, Gil Brandt, Mike Mayock, and everyone else said that watched his college film...there is very little he does at the QB position that translates to what an NFL QB does. Petty is deemed essentially impossible to evaluate as a QB prospect...because everything he does at an NFL camp will be the first time he's done it.. Whether it is taking a snap, reading a defensive front, reading a coverage, not locking onto WRs (he has never even turned his head on a passing play, when passing plays were called at Baylor, he knew the 1 WR to throw to on the called pass play).
Mariota works out with Phillip Rivers and has been prepared all long to start day 1 and will for the Titans. Petty is like adding a high school QB with a high iq and big arm. You need to teach him everything.
as stated earlier, if we can get a year or two...or four out of Fitz, great. Letting him learn is great. But, after watching a few interviews, I honestly don't think it will take that long.
The question is the IQ. Was he that good at Baylor, because of the system, or was he that good of an athlete, that he was able to tailor his game to Baylor's system. I certainly hope its the latter. In the interview you posted with Gruden, Gruden commented on him running an option while finding his WR. Something tells me he's not going to have problems with plays developing in full speed; they might be slowing down for him after
playing in an offense is predicated on him getting rid of the ball.
...and then he might only be good at that; getting rid of the ball quickly. But it sure didn't appear so. He has such touch on longer throws that skiddish doesn't seem to be a adjective to describe him.
If the only question was IQ, Fitzpatrick and McElroy would be in the hall of fame.
We will see. He ran an offense with predetermined throws. That's what the spread offense is. Take a high school talent and don't make him think, plug and play. Gil Brandt said watching tape on petty is a waste of time, there's nothing on it that translates to the NFL game...Pat Kirwan and numerous others said the same thing. As the draft approached everyone agreed watching petty was a waste of time. It's like paint by numbers out there for him. We shall see.
When I went to the Jets Townhall, someone asked Mike Maccagnan that same exact question. Why is Petty considered a project while Mariota is starting material. He didn't want to get to specifics bc he is not allowed to discuss players under contract with another team but pretty much alluded that although they both played the spread, Petty played on an offense that didn't require as many reads from the QB. I think it was just one and done while Mariota did more.
Guess who did that better than Petty in college? Jamarcus Russell. And he was more accurate and had a bigger arm.
If that impresses you, watch some film of Cutler, no one is better.
I will agree Petty's mechanics are very impressive, it is why I have hope for the kid. But his brain, in terms of football IQ, is equivalent to a top rated HS player coming into the NCAA...except he's coming into the NFL. I think he has a tremendous IQ and will pick it up...but he's already the same age as Geno (technically 7 months younger)...so he isnt a spring chicken and should be smart based on his age...right? He's 3 years older than Mariota...so he should be more mature, right? But Mariota's football IQ is higher than Petty's despite being 3 years younger.
There's more to football than an arm, ask Jim Druckenmiller...the question is how quickly he can learn football like he's never played it before.
1 thing he has going for him, he scored the highest in memory retention at the combine...he has one of the highest IQs in the draft, so hopefully it only takes him a year to figure it out.
I still think expecting the kid to be ready by week 12 or 14 is optimistic...but if you feel he can do it, color you optimistic, and me hoping you're right. I just think to be completely fair to him, 2 summers and 2 training camps to get ready to compete for starting QB is more fair, IMO.
If the only question was IQ, Fitzpatrick and McElroy would be in the hall of fame.
We will see. He ran an offense with predetermined throws. That's what the spread offense is. Take a high school talent and don't make him think, plug and play. Gil Brandt said watching tape on petty is a waste of time, there's nothing on it that translates to the NFL game...Pat Kirwan and numerous others said the same thing. As the draft approached everyone agreed watching petty was a waste of time. It's like paint by numbers out there for him. We shall see.
honest question since i didn't watch enough of either of them in college, but how was the system petty played in at baylor different than the system geno played in at WVU?
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Petty is reminiscent of Landry Jones. Another big, strong arm QB from the Big 12 spread offenses, also picked in round 4.
The biggest difference I noticed right off the bat is Geno ran a lot of "check with me" system at WVU. he often called out the play at the line based on defensive alignments and executed one of the two available plays. for all the shots at Geno for not being that bright, and maybe he isn't, his version of the spread was like a non-stop two minute drill...but I guess all spreads have a similar feel that way...especially Oregon.
In his short number of practices, 3, he's been throwing a lot of INTs...to a practice squad player today.
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Petty getting a few snaps here in 7-on-7. Veteran S Rontez Miles just picked off a deflected pass in the last period.
Eric Allen @eallenjets
Petty getting a few snaps here in 7-on-7. Veteran S Rontez Miles just picked off a deflected pass in the last period.
Not to make excuses for the kid, but it sounds like that one went off the hands of Shaq Evans. If he hits one of Idzik's absurd draft picks in the hands and he bats it into the hands of the DB, too me that one is on the receiver, not the QB.
Thats been a pet peeve of mine with INT's in general for many years. I always believed there needs to be a separate stat for dropped passes that result in INT's. Those should not go on the QB's resume. If the QB hits you in the hands with the football he did his job, and if you bat it to the DB, you didn't do yours. Those should be treated like muffs.
Maybe I am perceiving your posts on Petty wrong if I am sorry but I get the feeling you are unusually harsh on him because of your love and want for Hack next draft.
Just to expound upon my prior post, this is not about defending or making excuses for Petty, I feel this way about INT's in general and I have for quite some time. IMO its one of the most poorly kept and deceiving stats in all of football. Off the top of my head, purely observational, I'd say about 25% of all INT's are more attributed to receivers than they are to the QB, and thats a conservative estimate.
It drives me crazy to see a QB hit a receiver in the hands with the football, only to see the receiver bat it to a DB, and the QB gets tagged with an INT. It drives me equally mad when I see a jump ball and the receiver should either catch it or knock it down, and he does neither, instead letting the DB take it away from him, often times a DB he is bigger and stronger than, and the QB gets tagged with the INT.
If I had the ultimate power, I would change the way we keep the INT statistics and attribute it to the QB when the QB is to blame, or the receiver when the receiver is to blame.
It drives me crazy to see a QB hit a receiver in the hands with the football, only to see the receiver bat it to a DB, and the QB gets tagged with an INT. It drives me equally mad when I see a jump ball and the receiver should either catch it or knock it down, and he does neither, instead letting the DB take it away from him, often times a DB he is bigger and stronger than, and the QB gets tagged with the INT.
If I had the ultimate power, I would change the way we keep the INT statistics and attribute it to the QB when the QB is to blame, or the receiver when the receiver is to blame.
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Lakerfan80
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Long, tough road for Petty...he better shine the first moment he gets his chance...if he ever even gets one.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-data
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-data
I'm only down on Petty around timing. We've seen first hand what happens when you rush spread system QBs, whether its Geno, RG3, Alex Smith, etc. if you rush these QBs into the lineup, we rarely see positive results. Can next year's class, hack or cook specifically, step in and play day 1? More likely. But spread QBs need time. I'm sick of rushing our QBs in the lineup after the Sanchez and Geno rush jobs and results.
Hahahahaha, I wonder if Geno gets the benefit of the doubt in said scenario....
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Lakerfan80
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Geno didn't get the benefit of the doubt last camp when he was throwing to Evans, Hill, the 4th rounder who got cut and the rest of those guys. Now Petty is throwing to them and it's an issue. Get use to it because those are the guys he will be working with sitting behind Simms on the depth chart.