I'm not sure where I'm picking up the conversation but everything I have read speaks to how great Pettys arm is. Gruden suggested that he had the best arm talent in the draft.
Pick #103 - Bryce Petty - QB - Baylor
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I'm not sure where I'm picking up the conversation but everything I have read speaks to how great Pettys arm is. Gruden suggested that he had the best arm talent in the draft.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/bryce-petty?id=2552369
Doesn't have a cannon, but arm strength is NFL-starter quality. Deep-ball accuracy improved from 2013 to 2014. Understands when to throw the fastball and when to use touch. Gets feet set with good balance on delivery. Keeps ball at proper height on set-up and has quick release. Rarely underthrows deep passes, preferring to give only his wide receiver a chance to catch the ball.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664902/bryce-petty
Has more than enough arm strength to make every throw ...
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http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/player/bryce-petty/96301
Shows plenty of zip on the ball underneath and up the seam. Can drive the ball downfield, very good usage of his lower body to exemplify throwing power.
Can really wing the ball with a quick release and velocity and has some characteristics you look for in a QB.
Senior Bowl Evaluation:
I believe Petty to be the most physically talented senior QB by a pretty wide margin.
Great size at 6’3 230, big time arm, and above average mobility.
Doesn't have a cannon, but arm strength is NFL-starter quality. Deep-ball accuracy improved from 2013 to 2014. Understands when to throw the fastball and when to use touch. Gets feet set with good balance on delivery. Keeps ball at proper height on set-up and has quick release. Rarely underthrows deep passes, preferring to give only his wide receiver a chance to catch the ball.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664902/bryce-petty
Has more than enough arm strength to make every throw ...
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http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/player/bryce-petty/96301
Shows plenty of zip on the ball underneath and up the seam. Can drive the ball downfield, very good usage of his lower body to exemplify throwing power.
Can really wing the ball with a quick release and velocity and has some characteristics you look for in a QB.
Senior Bowl Evaluation:
I believe Petty to be the most physically talented senior QB by a pretty wide margin.
Great size at 6’3 230, big time arm, and above average mobility.
Raved about his arm talent, said; "If I was still coaching I want that, I want that badly."
Well, you're telling me that the radar guns they measure baseball pitchers and the police use to capture people speeding are not correct because you've watched him 10 times and your eyes are trained better than radar guns.
Anyone who has seen baseball live has heard the pop of the catchers mit, and if you get to the game early enough, and watch the pitcher warming up, you sometimes get amazed by the constant pop of the glove and think, wow, he's got it today. I bet he's throwing 100-105mph. Then you look at the numbers above the catcher and you're shocked, it says 92, 94, 90...nowhere near 100-105.
I am just telling you the facts are, Petty had multiple attempts on the radar gun, the same radar gun they measure major league pitchers and the police use to catch people speeding...and Petty cannot throw faster than 53mph. That's his max, no matter how many times he throws a football, his max is 53mph, same as EJ Manual, Jake Locker, and amongst the lowest to ever throw at the combine.
its a fact, sir, and the link proving it is on page 12...or right here:
http://turnonthejets.com/2015/05/new...m-bryce-petty/
You can try to claim your eyes are better than radar, but last time I tried that in court, it didn't work...
how fast a ball gets there on an out is very important...i cant agree with your statement. A 20 out on the left sideline from the right hash mark being 2-7 MPH slower than a NFL QB is a pick 6...
LOL I can't argue with that, I agree that the gun doesn't lie, but it doesn't jibe with what I've seen either so maybe he was having as bad day, maybe he had a tired arm due to all the training he did leading up to the combines, which I would imagine was considerable.
Granted, if you catch a guy on his best day and the gun says "this is what he is", then I can't refute that with the eye test, but its possible he had a tired arm at the combines, that happens with pitchers too, some days guys who sit at 96-97 are sitting at 91-92. I admit it makes we wonder if my eyes were deceiving me and now its something that bares watching for me, I'll keep an open mind, but it doesn't sound like the guy I've watched and I've watched a lot of them. I watched Danny Weurffel ONE GAME and said this guy cannot play in the NFL, no way no how, he does not have a big league arm.
That thought never occurred to me when I watched Bryce Petty.
I agree, if you can't throw the out with zip, then you can't throw the out in the NFL, its a Pick 6 waiting to happen.
I agree it's very important but the reports I have read from scouts state how he can make that throw. There's more to those throws than just speed. Sometimes it's anticipation, reading the defense, etc. There were many good QBs that didn't have a strong arm but still were successful in the league. There were also qbs with great velocity that have sucked. What will differentiate this guy from the rest of the pack is what he does with his God given talent. If he knows his limitations and knows when to throw it. It's a total package. Velocity, touch, accuracy and smarts. He has NFL velocity otherwise he wouldn't have been drafted. Now we need to see the rest. Those are the talents that develop in your career.
Lets see what Gaily does with the talents he has, not the ones he doesn't.
I am very excited about Chan with geno and petty...he gets to mold two young guys with live arms and a stacked WR core. We havent been able to say that in a while (I never really looked at Simms as a prospect we were developing to do anything special with). Petty and Geno are two legit QB prospects and hopefully Gaily sticks around until he can make one of them a franchise QB. It will make preseason must watch TV, IMO...rather then a drag after the 1s and Brunell comes in...
BTW and just to be clear, I'm not the only guy who watched Bryce Petty and felt like he has an NFL fastball.
If I was the only guy, Super, then I would have to agree that my eyes must have betrayed me. If you have the gun and the scouts all saying the guy has a weak arm, then I'd be an idiot to sit here saying I'm right and everybody else, including the gun, is wrong.
But lets be clear, a lot of smart football people have praised his arm strength, so they saw what I saw, then you have the gun that said we're all nuts, and I admit the gun doesn't lie, so either there's an explanation why he threw the ball poorly that day (i.e. tired arm), or a lot of smart football people, some a lot smarter than me, all saw the same optical illusion.
If I was the only guy, Super, then I would have to agree that my eyes must have betrayed me. If you have the gun and the scouts all saying the guy has a weak arm, then I'd be an idiot to sit here saying I'm right and everybody else, including the gun, is wrong.
But lets be clear, a lot of smart football people have praised his arm strength, so they saw what I saw, then you have the gun that said we're all nuts, and I admit the gun doesn't lie, so either there's an explanation why he threw the ball poorly that day (i.e. tired arm), or a lot of smart football people, some a lot smarter than me, all saw the same optical illusion.
He has smarts, and I believe can make "most" NFL throws, now its slowing the game down and great coaching...I am just pleading we dont rush the kid and destroy another young talent. And if Geno shows he's the guy and Petty shows he's the guy...who's complaining? Dont say Fitz because his ass will be 35 and will collect paychecks just to groom. His Harvard ass aint dumb, he probably has an assistant job in line as asst QB coach here when he's ready to retire.
We're going to see.
Indeed, and I'll tell you the truth, now I'm curious and apprehensive, that gun reading can't just be dismissed. I'm hoping it was a tired arm, but now I have to keep an open mind and I'll be watching this closely. Its one of the things I am now most curious to watch as training camp and the preseason unfolds, cause I'm a big believer that you need velocity at the Meadowlands and in the AFCE, thats always been important too me.
I am no scout or college football expert but I will say this it is not always about radar gun numbers in baseball or football. A pitcher can throw 100 plus but if doesn't move he will get hit. If a QB with a stronger arm takes seconds longer to decide to throw than the slighty weaker armed QB he will not get the job done.
I agree that velocity is not the end all be all, but in certain environments it matters more than others. Its not as important if you play in a dome or a warm weather city and division, but if you play all of your home games at the Meadowlands, where the swirling winds are brutal when the weather gets bad, and its not much better in Buffalo and NE, then its important that your QB can spin it with velocity. Thats what really hurt Chad with the Jets.
Im with Ham, all the additional variables to keep an eye on - sore back, never had a playbook in college, isn't used to the basic passing tree, hasnt taken snaps under center in 4 years, never read a defensive front, never read a secondary, and never had to make reads or decisions on where to throw a football...and add a slower than normal fast ball...its all variables to watch for development in every preseason game, practice report, etc.
Brady has a pop gun too, but once in a while he'll drill the ball in inside 15 yards. Think some darts to Welker and Gronk in front of the safety. Happens all the time. Sometime you have the stick the ball between a safety and LB and it has to be on a rope.
In the end, I am sure Gaily would design an offense for what he can and cannot do. But like i said, it will be something to watch for in the preseason.
Right now, when he throws a pick in practice, we generally know with Geno it was a bad decision or read, because that's his limitation.
Right now with Petty, I think we're going to need to watch him close in the preseason for arm strength (I am hoping to see him and Devin Smith on the field together, hard to think they couldn't do some things with 2nd and 3rd string DBs to build both of their confidence), foot work, read progressions (bet he starts with some easy bootlegs with easy progressions off play action), and how he executes against the preseason vanilla defenses.
Hey, it's going to be fun to watch. He'll gets reps with Hakim, Devin Smith, Sudfeld, maybe a little Amaro...hopefully Stacy, Ridley and Powell. I hope our back up OTs give him some time so he can build his confidence.
I want him or Geno to to be the answer so we can steal some of next years olineman in the draft and build a wall in front of whoever it is. Next year's draft is going to a have a run on QBs...and not just the big 3 big 10 guys.
curious how your opinion of petty (he has a rifle, 2nd best thrower in the draft) changed in less than a month?
All you have to do is read the link I already posted on page 13 and 51 posted on page 12. All my posts reference that article. I shouldn't have to restate for the 13th time for a Michigan grad like yourself. I remember you being big on reading comprehension.