Pick #103 - Bryce Petty - QB - Baylor

[hobson54]

All you have to do is read the link I already posted on page 13 and 51 posted on page 12. All my posts reference that article. I shouldn't have to restate for the 13th time for a Michigan grad like yourself. I remember you being big on reading comprehension.

again, with the michigan stuff. you seem obsessed with that. sorry to tell you, but i don't really consider penn state a rival of michigan. maybe you can end your obsession with my college.

as to that link, i saw it. but you seemed down on petty before 51 posted it the other day. it seems as usual, you like a pick before you don't like a pick. good way to position yourself to look smart if the pick works or doesn't work.

even considering the link, is that enough to change your mind? are you saying your prior comments about his rifle arm and being the 2nd best thrower in the draft were WRONG? you posted the link to gruden's 1-on-1 with him. gruden raves about his arm. now one link says he didn't light up the radar gun and suddenly you are down on the guy? or was it the picks thrown in the 1st week of OTAs and rookie camp that have soured you on him?

it seems the process went like this.

jets draft petty - lots of draft analysis talk about his arm strength - 55 says he has a rifle and is the 2nd best thrower in the draft

weeks later, 51 posts a link questioning his arm strength based on the radar gun - 55 says he doesn't have a good arm and everything he previously said about the rifle was wrong

is that accurate?

 

[Superman55]

I don't know why I'm explaining to someone who claims to have good reading comprehension, and I find it ironic I already explained it on numerous other posts.

You take the time to pull all my posts but don't take the time to read them. I find that ironic and a strange obsession in itself...hence my Michigan educational system concerns.

I said when we drafted Petty, and have stood by it, he throws a great deep ball. In the discussion with SE, that I already explained your very inquiry...which is where my reading comprehension concerns with you arise...I already had this very discussion with SE on this very thread and now you're asking the same question.

I guess another of your obsessions is tearing scabs open. I still believe he has a mean deep ball, but I was unaware his rifle arm was more in the ability to throw deep and drop the ball in the bucket, not stick 20 yard outs. The details that recently became available is why I have concerns.

I haven't said anything definitive that warrants your attack, so again, reading comprehension issues. From the start, I called it a variable to watch and hope Gaily develops him and Geno into studs.

Funny, everyone probably thinks I hate Williams too, when I've said in numerous posts I think he can be Reggie white, my only concern is the impact of his addition on keeping Richardson and Wikkerson. Hopefully individuals with reading comprehension issues don't take that opinion off the deep end like you are doing with Petty and thinking I don't like Williams. I do, just hope we keep the dline together for 5-8 years...just like I hope we develop 2 young studs at QB.

 

[jetfandreamer]

He has smarts, and I believe can make "most" NFL throws, now its slowing the game down and great coaching...I am just pleading we dont rush the kid and destroy another young talent. And if Geno shows he's the guy and Petty shows he's the guy...who's complaining? Dont say Fitz because his ass will be 35 and will collect paychecks just to groom. His Harvard ass aint dumb, he probably has an assistant job in line as asst QB coach here when he's ready to retire.

maybe Petty can be a smart..not the strongest armed QB..like Chad

 

[Superman55]

maybe Petty can be a smart..not the strongest armed QB..like Chad

...and like Chad, I think it is in Petty's best interest to sit a few years before being thrown into the fire. Let him learn Chan's offense like the back of his hand and let him plug and play.

Someone said I was down on him, just because I said he needs to sit and learn. the most successful spread QB of all time sat 3 years before playing. None of the other spread QBs who played in their first 2 years have had nearly the success of Aaron Rodgers...i dont know why patience with a young players all the sudden means you're down on him...but this is Jets nation we're talking about...

Give him 1, maybe 2 years to learn the offense and he and Gaily will know his strengths and limitations and make it work, IMO. But petty needs time, no matter how good his youtube videos look, IMO.

 

[sg3]

...and like Chad, I think it is in Petty's best interest to sit a few years before being thrown into the fire. Let him learn Chan's offense like the back of his hand and let him plug and play.

Someone said I was down on him, just because I said he needs to sit and learn. the most successful spread QB of all time sat 3 years before playing. None of the other spread QBs who played in their first 2 years have had nearly the success of Aaron Rodgers...i dont know why patience with a young players all the sudden means you're down on him...but this is Jets nation we're talking about...

Give him 1, maybe 2 years to learn the offense and he and Gaily will know his strengths and limitations and make it work, IMO. But petty needs time, no matter how good his youtube videos look, IMO.

Agree 100 %

Let him sit this season, maybe next while Fitzpatrick holds the fort and takes the Jets to the postseason and then step in as the seasoned starter

Cheating 12 will be nearing 40 then, so the timing is perfect

 

[jetfandreamer]

Agree 100 %

Let him sit this season, maybe next while Fitzpatrick holds the fort and takes the Jets to the postseason and then step in as the seasoned starter

Cheating 12 will be nearing 40 then, so the timing is perfect

I totally agree with sitting Petty no matter what..aside from unfortunate catastrophic injuries....

but let GENO lead them to playoffs...and then talk next year

:nudie:

 

[sg3]

I totally agree with sitting Petty no matter what..aside from unfortunate catastrophic injuries....

but let GENO lead them to playoffs...and then talk next year

:nudie:

IMO

Better chance of Geno being Geno and leading the Jets to a top 5 chance at drafting the Spartan QB next season than even sniffing the playoffs

And since MacBowles and Gailey don't want billboards, towels and airplanes and aren't blind or dumb, they'll make the correct decision

 

[jetfandreamer]

IMO

Better chance of Geno being Geno and leading the Jets to a top 5 chance at drafting the Spartan QB next season than even sniffing the playoffs

And since MacBowles and Gailey don't want billboards, towels and airplanes and aren't blind or dumb, they'll make the correct decision

Hey like youserlf and the other Geno bashers....I am not in love with Geno..I think he has best chance, with the new weapons and offense to make a difference and be their best QB..if it materializes at some point during season that Fitz is better option..so be it..I DONT CARE WHO IS QB AS LONG AS THEY WIN....Im not on a "prove Geno can play kick"..I think he has shown plenty of glimpses as to why as much as he cannot be the QB, that he can....

 

[Superman55]

IMO

Better chance of Geno being Geno and leading the Jets to a top 5 chance at drafting the Spartan QB next season than even sniffing the playoffs

And since MacBowles and Gailey don't want billboards, towels and airplanes and aren't blind or dumb, they'll make the correct decision

Well, I don't think any Geno supporter is saying dont pull him if he looks as bad as you think he will look. We're just more optimistic. I dont think he's going to struggle with Gaily. I think it's a good match.

 

[sg3]

We mostly agree then

 

[hobson54]

I don't know why I'm explaining to someone who claims to have good reading comprehension, and I find it ironic I already explained it on numerous other posts.

You take the time to pull all my posts but don't take the time to read them. I find that ironic and a strange obsession in itself...hence my Michigan educational system concerns.

I said when we drafted Petty, and have stood by it, he throws a great deep ball. In the discussion with SE, that I already explained your very inquiry...which is where my reading comprehension concerns with you arise...I already had this very discussion with SE on this very thread and now you're asking the same question.

I guess another of your obsessions is tearing scabs open. I still believe he has a mean deep ball, but I was unaware his rifle arm was more in the ability to throw deep and drop the ball in the bucket, not stick 20 yard outs. The details that recently became available is why I have concerns.

I haven't said anything definitive that warrants your attack, so again, reading comprehension issues. From the start, I called it a variable to watch and hope Gaily develops him and Geno into studs.

Funny, everyone probably thinks I hate Williams too, when I've said in numerous posts I think he can be Reggie white, my only concern is the impact of his addition on keeping Richardson and Wikkerson. Hopefully individuals with reading comprehension issues don't take that opinion off the deep end like you are doing with Petty and thinking I don't like Williams. I do, just hope we keep the dline together for 5-8 years...just like I hope we develop 2 young studs at QB.

well i'm not sure how i "attacked" you. i questioned what seemed to be an inconsistency in your analysis, from saying he has a "rifle arm" to questioning his arm strength. but i guess you've changed your mind on his arm strength based on reading a TOJ article, so that's fine.

as to your obsession with my college, it is quite humorous. and i guess flattering that someone who is so in love with himself is obsessed with my alma mater.

 

[EBoozer32]

When I tried opening the link 55 referenced, it wouldn't load. Can you tell me at what MPH rating is a prospect considered to have a rifle arm? I agree that anticipation and placement can eliminate some concern over arm strength.
Look at Bartolo Colon with the Mets.... he's lost 7 mph off his fastball, but since he's hitting his spots on the corners he's a more effective pitcher than he has been in years.

If the ball leaves the QB's hand before the WR is coming out of his break and the ball is placed in the right area that would be better than the QB holding onto the ball longer and trying to rifle the ball in there. Some guys rely too much on their arm strength, ie. Favre.... All Time leader in int's

Does anyone remember Geno's performance on the Radar Gun?

LOL I can't argue with that, I agree that the gun doesn't lie, but it doesn't jibe with what I've seen either so maybe he was having as bad day, maybe he had a tired arm due to all the training he did leading up to the combines, which I would imagine was considerable.

Granted, if you catch a guy on his best day and the gun says "this is what he is", then I can't refute that with the eye test, but its possible he had a tired arm at the combines, that happens with pitchers too, some days guys who sit at 96-97 are sitting at 91-92. I admit it makes we wonder if my eyes were deceiving me and now its something that bares watching for me, I'll keep an open mind, but it doesn't sound like the guy I've watched and I've watched a lot of them. I watched Danny Weurffel ONE GAME and said this guy cannot play in the NFL, no way no how, he does not have a big league arm.

That thought never occurred to me when I watched Bryce Petty.

 

[EBoozer32]

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2015/03/13/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/

As a side note.... this just goes to show how inaccurate these radar guns can be

Sanchez at 57 and Flacco at 55 MPH goes to show there is some disparity in how these things judge arm strength. Flacco has a HUGE arm while Sanchez is average. It's ALL about what's on the film under game pressure and "Live" competition!

Arm strength is the last thing I'm worried about when it comes to Petty.... learning the Pro Style Offense is his biggest test. Same thing can be said of Geno unfortunately!!

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

There were many QB who had monster arms but no brain. Bryce seems to have both.(AND THEN SOME)

 

[Lakerfan80]

We have to see Bryce Petty play against a defense before we can say he has a monster arm and brains...let's see how he is against pressure and blitzes and changing defenses, while running an offense from a playbook, reading defenses, and finding 3rd and 4th receivers.

 

[sg3]

Petty, before taking a single snap is, arguably a significant upgrade over Smith

 

[Superman55]

I hope Hakim and Smith are on the field with him in the preseason...though it seems Smith is getting some reps with the 1s...so likely not much. I think its going to be fun to watch him in the preseason, no matter how he performs. To me, its more exciting then the last few years when Bollinger, McElroy, Simms, etc checked in. QB #3 will keep me into the 4th quarter. I never minded doing something else with Bollinger and Gholston still in the game.

 

[Lakerfan80]

Petty, before taking a single snap is, arguably a significant upgrade over Smith

Arguably...but I haven't heard anyone outside some of this board make that argument...anywhere.

 

[jetfrantik]

Did Staubach come from a spread offense and play in college system without an offensive playbook and WRs running without a route tree?

Well, I guess all they have in common is age...

Well, I was 27 once, and I was no Staubach...so I am guess just because you're 27 doesnt mean your Staubach. is there anything else Petty and Staubach have in common you're aware of other than maybe Petty will be good at 27 and Staubach was definitely good at 27?

Both are Christian. With Petty, the Jets will have a designated "hail mary" guy. Was removed from our offense when Tebow left town.

 

[Lakerfan80]

Petty is compared to Brandon Weeden...slightly more athletic, and not as long in the tooth...another shotgun spread QB from the defenseless Big 12.