Predict the 2015 Jets record

[NickSINYC]

Good plan

Fitz starting, managing and holding the fort while Petty learns and develops

Simms backup

Heaps practice squad

I am right there with you when it comes to Fitz and Petty. I have said as much in my posts.
IMHO when it comes to Smith you let your emotion send you off track.

 

[HYATT™]

There really is no place for the more down-to-earth, rational Jets fans whose IQs reach the triple digits.

HYATT™ is here.
HYATT™'s IQ is in the very high triple digits, (relative to the scale).
Ergo - there IS a place for those fans.
It's right here.

 

[NickSINYC]

HYATT™ is here.
HYATT™'s IQ is in the very high triple digits, (relative to the scale).
Ergo - there IS a place for those fans.
It's right here.

Very low double digits here (10) Five fingers on each hand. They work well typing my posts so I guess I will continue. opcorn:

 

[HYATT™]

Very low double digits here (10) Five fingers on each hand. They work well typing my posts so I guess I will continue. opcorn:

That's what you get for being from a restricted gene pool.
Every member of HYATT™'s extended family has 3 hands and 18 digits, (opposed thumbs on each hand), and webbed toes to help them excel at swimming. :smiley-finger004:

 

[sg3]

I am right there with you when it comes to Fitz and Petty. I have said as much in my posts.
IMHO when it comes to Smith you let your emotion send you off track.

Actually just my eyes

I've seen this BUST toss away opportunities and chances for wins for TWO long national nightmare seasons and am hopeful he will play his way right to the waiver wire by September.

 

[Superman55]

That's what you get for being from a restricted gene pool.
Every member of HYATT™'s extended family has 3 hands and 18 digits, (opposed thumbs on each hand), and webbed toes to help them excel at swimming. :smiley-finger004:

With all family members being related in at least 2 ways. It gets cold in the winters in Wisconsin.

 

[JaxJet]

I went with 9-7, The team will be good this year. However Geno will still be bad and stop us from winning more games.

 

[Mainejet]

I asked you. If Fitzpatrick put up the numbers I suggested, where would you put the Jets' record?

WAY better than 7-9, but unless you are dreaming there's no way our QB's would improve to those numbers.

 

[Mainejet]

I picked us to go 8-8, which isn't as optimistic as some, but 4 more wins from a first time head coach and DC is a compliment and reasonable if I was Mac and working with Bowles on his goals. Expecting him to have 6-10 game turnaround when he has never done this before seems overly optimistic to me. Could happen though.

However, regarding your point, doesn't that go both ways? How will any team in the NFL, literally any of them, score on this defense when we have a 4th quarter lead and know they are going to pass? Jets have 3, maybe 4 or 5 with Milliner and Gilchrist, that would be #1 CBs on the Pats...our #3-5 CBs are better than many team's #1 CB and our defensive line on known passing plays are going to be tough for any oline, including the mid 90s Cowboys oline, to stop. How do you account for teams not being able to score when you make the above QB point against us...you have to consider our offense will only need a couple TDs and a couple FGs per game...and if we get that, most games will be double digit wins...

I just feel that while our QB won't be anything special, I expect to see some of the worst QB play in the NFL weekly against our defense...

Good offensive football teams will find a way. Come hell or high water they will find a way.

How about what the Patsies did to us late last season? Rex had the defense dialed up and the Patsies could not score against us. Then, they went to simple snap the ball and throw the ball plays to spots. It allowed them to take the lead and win the game.

I'm sorry but even Revis can't react that quickly. We need to be in the drivers seat in the 4th quarter where we have a controlling lead and I cannot see our offense managing to achieve such a thing, not even against the worst defenses in the league.

 

[sg3]

Thankfully the Bills will have to deal with WRECKS failure to adjust his cast in concrete Dad's dated defense to changing conditions. What the Cheaters did that you described is no different than the WRECKS DDD allowing Tim Tebow to run for 80 yards and a TD against the WRECKS rigid unchanging D in Denver a few years ago.

 

[SackExchange]

WAY better than 7-9, but unless you are dreaming there's no way our QB's would improve to those numbers.

Improve?!?

THOSE WERE FITZPATRICK'S NUMBERS LAST YEAR!!!

 

[SackExchange]

Just to clarify, this is the original post of mine to which Mainejet was responding:

"What if Fitzpatrick went out there and put up great numbers? Like a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, a completion percentage around 63%, somewhere in that ballpark, passer rating top 10 in the league. Would that change their record?"

Now he's talking about how I'm dreaming, and no QB on the Jets would IMPROVE to those numbers.

I present to you Ryan Fitzpatrick's 2014 stats:

17 TDs/8 INTs, 63.1% completion percentage, 95.3 passer rating (ranked ninth in the NFL).

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8664/ryan-fitzpatrick

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

Yeah, I must be dreaming to think Fitzpatrick can do EXACTLY what he did last year.

 

[Parcells123]

Even with Fitzpatrick playing to last year's level-it'll be a lot to ask of a 4-12 team to improve their win total by more than double. So if you're really objective- 8 wins is probably the most optimistic you can get. And that would be a very good accomplishment for Bowles and Mac. Rex and Idzik had run this team into the ground and it'll take a couple of years and a franchise QB to dig it out.

 

[SackExchange]

Even with Fitzpatrick playing to last year's level-it'll be a lot to ask of a 4-12 team to improve their win total by more than double. So if you're really objective- 8 wins is probably the most optimistic you can get. And that would be a very good accomplishment for Bowles and Mac. Rex and Idzik had run this team into the ground and it'll take a couple of years and a franchise QB to dig it out.

I thought 10, and still do. It's asking a lot, but every major hole has been addressed tremendously, with the possible exception of OL. The secondary is a ton better, there are more and better weapons on offense for the passing game, even the outlook at QB is a lot brighter.

 

[Parcells123]

I thought 10, and still do. It's asking a lot, but every major hole has been addressed tremendously, with the possible exception of OL. The secondary is a ton better, there are more and better weapons on offense for the passing game, even the outlook at QB is a lot brighter.

Well, special teams are still a concern. The Jets have no kick/punt returners of note. And you're assuming the addition of Marshall, Carpenter and possibly Fitzpatrick are going to transform the offense dramatically. Plus the linebackers are still slow, causing the D problems with TE's and pass catching RBs. I'm not as optimistic. Wish I could be...

 

[SackExchange]

Well, special teams are still a concern. The Jets have no kick/punt returners of note. And you're assuming the addition of Marshall, Carpenter and possibly Fitzpatrick are going to transform the offense dramatically. Plus the linebackers are still slow, causing the D problems with TE's and pass catching RBs. I'm not as optimistic. Wish I could be...

The offense needs to be average, as the defense looks stacked. I think that the additions can absolutely make the offense average.

I still have concerns about the OL, even with Carpenter, but overall, it's not a bad unit. Smith will provide a deep threat on offense and potentially a return threat.

 

[HYATT™]

For the pessimists, HYATT™ presents the (1-15) 1996 Frank Reich/Rich Kotite Jets...
followed by the (9-7) 1997 Neil O'Donnell/ Bill Parcells Jets....
followed by the (12-4) AFCC 1998 Vinny Testeverde/Bill Parcells Jets.

Or, look at the 1987 CIN Bungals, going from (4-12) to (12-4) & losing a Super Bowl in 1988, with the exact same HC (Sam Wyche) & QB (Boomer Esiason).

Jim Mora and Middle Manning turned around a consecutive pair of Indy (3-13) seasons in '97 & '98 to go (13-3) in '99 & make the playoffs in only their 2nd season together.

Speaking of 1999, Dick Vermiel took 3 years to turn things around but going from (4-12) in his 2nd year to going (13-3) & winning the Super Bowl in his 3rd, is a hella turnaround in one season.

In 2003 The Chin went (6-10) with Tommy Maddux, then turned it around to a (15-1) season & the AFCC game, with rookie QB Ben Roethlisberger, in '04.

The 2007 Dollphish were (1-15) under Cleo Lemon/Cam Cameron, and because they acquired Chad Pennington at QB & switched HCs to Tony Sparano, were able to win the AFCE crown and get in a Wild Card game with an (11-5) record in 2008.

The 2011 Colts went (2-14) with Curtis Painter at QB & Jim Caldwell as HC.
The following year, (2012), they were (11-5) and in the Wild Card round with Andrew Luck & Chuck Pagano/Bruce Ariens.

The 2012 Matt Casel/Romeo Crennel Chiefs climbed out of their (2-14) hole to an (11-5) Wild Card season with Alex Smith/Andy Reid the very next year, (2013).

Not only is it POSSIBLE to more than double a team's wins in a single season - given the right QB replacement, it's POSSIBLE to go from worst to (almost) 1st in a single season.

 

[mykcuz]

Well, special teams are still a concern. The Jets have no kick/punt returners of note. And you're assuming the addition of Marshall, Carpenter and possibly Fitzpatrick are going to transform the offense dramatically. Plus the linebackers are still slow, causing the D problems with TE's and pass catching RBs. I'm not as optimistic. Wish I could be...

This comment would apply to our linebackers if they had the ability to take more than 5 steps before we sack the qb. expect a ton of dime with heavy blitzing, and pass catching te's trying to break off of Williams on the line.

 

[Mainejet]

Just to clarify, this is the original post of mine to which Mainejet was responding:

"What if Fitzpatrick went out there and put up great numbers? Like a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, a completion percentage around 63%, somewhere in that ballpark, passer rating top 10 in the league. Would that change their record?"

Now he's talking about how I'm dreaming, and no QB on the Jets would IMPROVE to those numbers.

I present to you Ryan Fitzpatrick's 2014 stats:

17 TDs/8 INTs, 63.1% completion percentage, 95.3 passer rating (ranked ninth in the NFL).

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8664/ryan-fitzpatrick

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

Yeah, I must be dreaming to think Fitzpatrick can do EXACTLY what he did last year.

First of all, he only played 12 games that season. Three quarters of a season does not constitute changing a teams fortunes. I really thought you were going to project what you BELIEVED he could do based a portion of a season last season with the Texans.

Second of all, you conveniently seem to leave out that he gave up killer turnovers against any upper echelon teams they faced.

Third of all, Fitzpatrick was a very SMALL portion of the overall offense. He averaged barely 200 yards per game. In other words, even the Texans coaching staff DID NOT trust him to lead the team. They tried in every way only to coach him up so he would not lose the game. Yet, he did that very thing on a few occasions.

Fourth of all, this is the same guy that has failed miserably in every single city he's ever been employed in. This is the same guy that has NEVER had a winning record as a starter EVER.

And now you try some BS line of guff thinking I will fall for it?

My prediction for the 2015 Jets is based on what the team is coming off of, how much they improved, what they failed to improve, and how can they win games.

My prediction basically falls into the following:

In a QB driven league, the Jets DO NOT have one. The Jets current QB I cannot see leading this team to any better than 7 wins.

 

[SackExchange]

First of all, he only played 12 games that season. Three quarters of a season does not constitute changing a teams fortunes. I really thought you were going to project what you BELIEVED he could do based a portion of a season last season with the Texans.

Second of all, you conveniently seem to leave out that he gave up killer turnovers against any upper echelon teams they faced.

Third of all, Fitzpatrick was a very SMALL portion of the overall offense. He averaged barely 200 yards per game. In other words, even the Texans coaching staff DID NOT trust him to lead the team. They tried in every way only to coach him up so he would not lose the game. Yet, he did that very thing on a few occasions.

Fourth of all, this is the same guy that has failed miserably in every single city he's ever been employed in. This is the same guy that has NEVER had a winning record as a starter EVER.

And now you try some BS line of guff thinking I will fall for it?

My prediction for the 2015 Jets is based on what the team is coming off of, how much they improved, what they failed to improve, and how can they win games.

My prediction basically falls into the following:

In a QB driven league, the Jets DO NOT have one. The Jets current QB I cannot see leading this team to any better than 7 wins.

I used numbers. I presented those numbers, you agreed, and now because those numbers don't fit your doom-and-gloom predictions, you are discounting it.

And it's not a matter of you falling for it. You already did, and now you're trying to argue after the fact. I present numbers, and you present nothing but speculation.