Predict the 2015 Jets record

[sg3]

For the pessimists, HYATT™ presents the (1-15) 1996 Frank Reich/Rich Kotite Jets...
followed by the (9-7) 1997 Neil O'Donnell/ Bill Parcells Jets....
followed by the (12-4) AFCC 1998 Vinny Testeverde/Bill Parcells Jets.

Or, look at the 1987 CIN Bungals, going from (4-12) to (12-4) & losing a Super Bowl in 1988, with the exact same HC (Sam Wyche) & QB (Boomer Esiason).

Jim Mora and Middle Manning turned around a consecutive pair of Indy (3-13) seasons in '97 & '98 to go (13-3) in '99 & make the playoffs in only their 2nd season together.

Speaking of 1999, Dick Vermiel took 3 years to turn things around but going from (4-12) in his 2nd year to going (13-3) & winning the Super Bowl in his 3rd, is a hella turnaround in one season.

In 2003 The Chin went (6-10) with Tommy Maddux, then turned it around to a (15-1) season & the AFCC game, with rookie QB Ben Roethlisberger, in '04.

The 2007 Dollphish were (1-15) under Cleo Lemon/Cam Cameron, and because they acquired Chad Pennington at QB & switched HCs to Tony Sparano, were able to win the AFCE crown and get in a Wild Card game with an (11-5) record in 2008.

The 2011 Colts went (2-14) with Curtis Painter at QB & Jim Caldwell as HC.
The following year, (2012), they were (11-5) and in the Wild Card round with Andrew Luck & Chuck Pagano/Bruce Ariens.

The 2012 Matt Casel/Romeo Crennel Chiefs climbed out of their (2-14) hole to an (11-5) Wild Card season with Alex Smith/Andy Reid the very next year, (2013).

Not only is it POSSIBLE to more than double a team's wins in a single season - given the right QB replacement, it's POSSIBLE to go from worst to (almost) 1st in a single season.

Excellent point

Mac has dramatically improved the roster and Bowles shows no sign of rigidly playing a single scheme but instead adapting his game plans to fit the strengths of his players

This plus the improved offensive coaching (Gailey vs Marty) and QB play (Ryan Fitzpatrick vs Smith) creates the strong possibility of improving from 4 wins to double digits

 

[sg3]

First of all, he only played 12 games that season. Three quarters of a season does not constitute changing a teams fortunes. I really thought you were going to project what you BELIEVED he could do based a portion of a season last season with the Texans.

Second of all, you conveniently seem to leave out that he gave up killer turnovers against any upper echelon teams they faced.

Third of all, Fitzpatrick was a very SMALL portion of the overall offense. He averaged barely 200 yards per game. In other words, even the Texans coaching staff DID NOT trust him to lead the team. They tried in every way only to coach him up so he would not lose the game. Yet, he did that very thing on a few occasions.

Fourth of all, this is the same guy that has failed miserably in every single city he's ever been employed in. This is the same guy that has NEVER had a winning record as a starter EVER.

And now you try some BS line of guff thinking I will fall for it?

My prediction for the 2015 Jets is based on what the team is coming off of, how much they improved, what they failed to improve, and how can they win games.

My prediction basically falls into the following:

In a QB driven league, the Jets DO NOT have one. The Jets current QB I cannot see leading this team to any better than 7 wins.

Fortunately most Jet fans don't live in Maine and get all their information and opinions about the Jets from Boston and other New England print media and local radio and TV sports reports.

 

[Mainejet]

I used numbers. I presented those numbers, you agreed, and now because those numbers don't fit your doom-and-gloom predictions, you are discounting it.

And it's not a matter of you falling for it. You already did, and now you're trying to argue after the fact. I present numbers, and you present nothing but speculation.

What a crock of shit. Try to play this out all you'd like. The Jets 2015 season will more likely than not turn just like I have already suggested. Fitz will likely be the starter and he will likely f*ck the entire team.

 

[Mainejet]

Fortunately most Jet fans don't live in Maine and get all their information and opinions about the Jets from Boston and other New England print media and local radio and TV sports reports.

So you think that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the savior of the Jets and their 2015 season?:roflmao:

 

[SackExchange]

What a crock of shit. Try to play this out all you'd like. The Jets 2015 season will more likely than not turn just like I have already suggested. Fitz will likely be the starter and he will likely f*ck the entire team.

You seem to have a lot of anger.

I suggest numbers, you say they would make the team "WAY" better than the 7-9 you predicted, and then you go back on your word when you hear the name attached to those numbers.

Your response seems to be to lash out at me. I'm not sure what I did to you, but I have no interest in getting angry with you. Honestly, I don't care enough to get angry in response to your unwarranted anger.

 

[raideraholic]

I'm not into predicting records this early in the offseason, but I'll say this. In 2009 & 2010, we had a qb ranked in the bottom five in the league and won 9 & 11 games respectively. In 2013, we had a qb ranked in the bottom five and won 8 games. Our overall team is similar this year to those 2009/2010 teams (not quite as good on the offensive line..... at least on paper, but much better in the front seven on defense and equal or better in the secondary). I also like the new coaching staff and the accountability/discipline that they'll bring.

Jmo while true the Jets secondary is way better this year ,than last year, the cb's position I think your over rating a little bit. ( on paper it looks great but this isn't 2012) D Revis while still one of the better cb's in the league , isn't The Revis Island Cb anymore that you came to expect.( that guy doesn't exist anymore).
Antonio Cromartie who the Jets ran out of town the previous year , had a decent year in Arizona last year. ( what great passing offense did he face in the NFC West). Buster Skrine while a decent nickel cb , only goes only 5'9.


I expect teams to not even Try to run the football on the Jets early ( run defense is going to be insane) .All your doing is putting your offense in a huge hole. Look for teams to stretch that Jet defense out , and take there shots against the match ups they like best. ( Cromartie and Skrine) and attack the Jet lb's and safeties in coverage.
I think while the Jet defense will be better, it won't be the dominating defense that a lot of Jet fans are expecting.( game not played on paper but the field)
The Jets record my guess is around 8-8 .

 

[sg3]

Jmo while true the Jets secondary is way better this year ,than last year, the cb's position I think your over rating a little bit. ( on paper it looks great but this isn't 2012) D Revis while still one of the better cb's in the league , isn't The Revis Island Cb anymore that you came to expect.( that guy doesn't exist anymore).
Antonio Cromartie who the Jets ran out of town the previous year , had a decent year in Arizona last year. ( what great passing offense did he face in the NFC West). Buster Skrine while a decent nickel cb , only goes only 5'9.


I expect teams to not even Try to run the football on the Jets early ( run defense is going to be insane) .All your doing is putting your offense in a huge hole. Look for teams to stretch that Jet defense out , and take there shots against the match ups they like best. ( Cromartie and Skrine) and attack the Jet lb's and safeties in coverage.
I think while the Jet defense will be better, it won't be the dominating defense that a lot of Jet fans are expecting.( game not played on paper but the field)
The Jets record my guess is around 8-8 .

LOL. Ya gotta love good ol Raider 90210

March to September:

The Jets 2015 secondary, in fact all positions on the Jets and 30 other teams are vastly inferior to those of my juggernaut Raiders

October through February


Vanished into thin air

 

[raideraholic]

LOL. Ya gotta love good ol Raider 90210

March to September:

The Jets 2015 secondary, in fact all positions on the Jets and 30 other teams are vastly inferior to those of my juggernaut Raiders

October through February


Vanished into thin air

Where did I say anything About Raiders secondary in the thread. Now you want me to show you why I'm not afraid of the Jet's cb or defense , and how it relates to what the Raiders have on offense.
I conceded to you that it would beyond stupidity for a team to try to establish the run on the Jets defense. ( force them to bring in defense personnel that gives better chance later on to run football)
Here is what you can expect Raiders play three Wr sets ( Amari Cooper, M Crabtree , and Rod Streater/ Brice Butler, one TE( Clive Walford) and one back( Latavius Murray, T Richardson, Roy Helu, Taiwan Jones- all very good receivers) with Derek Carr in the Shotgun.

Bill Musgrave wants to really spread out a defense. Right before the snap Carr going to know where he has the favorable matchup. you want put Revis on Cooper go ahead. ( they put A Cooper in the slot - expect Skrine to get him) . M Crabtree the only route he graded out below average last year was the nine route, every other route was above average to excellent). I like Raiders chance with Cromartie on Crabtree.
the Jets aren't going to put the 5'9 Skrine on either the 6'3 200 Rod Streater , or the 6'3 215 4.36 40' vertical Brice Butler. ( Skrine might get either one in the slot).
I'll take my chance with any of Raiders Rb's with Demario Davis in coverage . ( they can empty the backfield ) .

 

[grogan14]

Where did I say anything About Raiders secondary in the thread. Now you want me to show you why I'm not afraid of the Jet's cb or defense , and how it relates to what the Raiders have on offense.
I conceded to you that it would beyond stupidity for a team to try to establish the run on the Jets defense. ( force them to bring in defense personnel that gives better chance later on to run football)
Here is what you can expect Raiders play three Wr sets ( Amari Cooper, M Crabtree , and Rod Streater/ Brice Butler, one TE( Clive Walford) and one back( Latavius Murray, T Richardson, Roy Helu, Taiwan Jones- all very good receivers) with Derek Carr in the Shotgun.

Bill Musgrave wants to really spread out a defense. Right before the snap Carr going to know where he has the favorable matchup. you want put Revis on Cooper go ahead. ( they put A Cooper in the slot - expect Skrine to get him) . M Crabtree the only route he graded out below average last year was the nine route, every other route was above average to excellent). I like Raiders chance with Cromartie on Crabtree.
the Jets aren't going to put the 5'9 Skrine on either the 6'3 200 Rod Streater , or the 6'3 215 4.36 40' vertical Brice Butler. ( Skrine might get either one in the slot).
I'll take my chance with any of Raiders Rb's with Demario Davis in coverage . ( they can empty the backfield ) .

Can't believe I'm actually saying this,,,,but you would have to be a fool not to respect that Jets secondary based on the number of quality players alone. If there's one thing I have to concede about the Jets roster this year it would absolutely be the talent level in that secondary, they should be able to field an elite secondary with players that can play both man-press and zone equally well. I'm not crazy about their safety play but with that secondary they should be able to make up for any safety deficiencies. I admire your passion as a fan but the reality is, no one is worrying about the Raiders, they are a non-factor.

 

[ucrenegade]

Where did I say anything About Raiders secondary in the thread. Now you want me to show you why I'm not afraid of the Jet's cb or defense , and how it relates to what the Raiders have on offense.
I conceded to you that it would beyond stupidity for a team to try to establish the run on the Jets defense. ( force them to bring in defense personnel that gives better chance later on to run football)
Here is what you can expect Raiders play three Wr sets ( Amari Cooper, M Crabtree , and Rod Streater/ Brice Butler, one TE( Clive Walford) and one back( Latavius Murray, T Richardson, Roy Helu, Taiwan Jones- all very good receivers) with Derek Carr in the Shotgun.

Bill Musgrave wants to really spread out a defense. Right before the snap Carr going to know where he has the favorable matchup. you want put Revis on Cooper go ahead. ( they put A Cooper in the slot - expect Skrine to get him) . M Crabtree the only route he graded out below average last year was the nine route, every other route was above average to excellent). I like Raiders chance with Cromartie on Crabtree.
the Jets aren't going to put the 5'9 Skrine on either the 6'3 200 Rod Streater , or the 6'3 215 4.36 40' vertical Brice Butler. ( Skrine might get either one in the slot).
I'll take my chance with any of Raiders Rb's with Demario Davis in coverage . ( they can empty the backfield ) .

I like how you omit our safeties......pryor who will be a big improvement over last year, gilchrist a huge upgrade over allen and you still have allen in a reseved role and jarrett who showed he could also be servicable.

I really like carr and believe the raiders future is bright but it is nowhere near the jets at the moment.

 

[sg3]

One thing about Raider90210's annual Spring and Summer forecasts of Raidaz greatness (followed by October disappearance to the Raidaz hiding cave) is that they are so laughable, hilarious and delusional that they can even bring Jet fans and Pat fans together in ROTF laughter

 

[SackExchange]

Can't believe I'm actually saying this,,,,but you would have to be a fool not to respect that Jets secondary based on the number of quality players alone. If there's one thing I have to concede about the Jets roster this year it would absolutely be the talent level in that secondary, they should be able to field an elite secondary with players that can play both man-press and zone equally well. I'm not crazy about their safety play but with that secondary they should be able to make up for any safety deficiencies. I admire your passion as a fan but the reality is, no one is worrying about the Raiders, they are a non-factor.

Safeties are a part of the secondary. This sort of makes it sound like they're not.

That said, kudos for a positive post about the Jets. It's good to see you have it in you.

Though I would direct you to your lede, "Can't believe I'm actually saying this." For someone who is as objective as you say you are, why would you have a tough time believing you are praising a rival team's strength?

 

[Elias]

Raiders are closer in the position that is most portent and that is QB. If Carr can show improvement in year two then they have something.

We all know how difficult it is to play without a QB. Thing that boggles my mind is that they got rid of the only wide receiver that their young QB had any chemistry with. I know they've improved that position but sometimes continuity is important.

 

[grogan14]

Safeties are a part of the secondary. This sort of makes it sound like they're not.

That said, kudos for a positive post about the Jets. It's good to see you have it in you.

Though I would direct you to your lede, "Can't believe I'm actually saying this." For someone who is as objective as you say you are, why would you have a tough time believing you are praising a rival team's strength?

You may not agree with much of what I say, but I will always state the truth as I see it. As for the safeties, yes they are most certainly a part of the secondary, and should be at least adequate as I see it. I don't think that's going to matter much because the CB's are not going to need a lot of help, even 3 or four into the rotation, so I think you'll see a lot of mixed coverage packages with the CB's pressing man a lot while the safeties play zone or single man protections when called for. The last part of your post I'll reveres the question, how easy is it for you to praise the Patriots?

 

[SackExchange]

You may not agree with much of what I say, but I will always state the truth as I see it. As for the safeties, yes they are most certainly a part of the secondary, and should be at least adequate as I see it. I don't think that's going to matter much because the CB's are not going to need a lot of help, even 3 or four into the rotation, so I think you'll see a lot of mixed coverage packages with the CB's pressing man a lot while the safeties play zone or single man protections when called for. The last part of your post I'll reveres the question, how easy is it for you to praise the Patriots?

Quite easy. In the early years of the Patriots' championship teams, they surrounded Brady with a ton of talent. It was never put all on his shoulders, and he thrived because of it. As he became a bigger piece, and took up greater cap space, more was put on his shoulders. The team was built around him, rather than a fortress to protect him when he was young. It was a great way to develop a great QB.

I also think Belichick is a master at stockpiling draft picks. I don't think he's a particularly good drafter, but he is great at amassing a lot of quality picks.

As for the Jets' safeties, I would say they will be at worst average. Use Pryor as he was intended to be used, as a SS, and he can really lay the hammer on some people. He may even have a bit of Rodney Harrison in him - I'm not saying he will ever be that good, but Harrison pounded people, especially TEs and slot WRs going across the middle on crossing routes.