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League’s reaction to Tom Brady testimony not as glowing

Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2015, 1:02 PM EDT

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Those paid to exonerate Patriots quarterback Tom Brady were wowed by his performance at Tuesday’s appeal hearing, #asexpected. Those who suspended him in the first place weren’t. #Asexpected.

Per a league source, Brady simply reiterated his denial regarding any involvement in or knowledge of whatever it was that John Jastremski and Jim McNally may have been doing with the team’s footballs. When pressed on certain facts relating to Brady’s potential knowledge or involvement, the answers were regarded by some in the room (i.e., some who aren’t paid to exonerate Brady) as not entirely credible.

Apparently, Brady’s case hinged heavily on attacking the science, under the broader umbrella of taking the position that: (1) he didn’t do anything wrong; and (2) Ted Wells can’t prove that Brady did. The question then becomes whether the NFL is willing to throw out the entire Wells report based on the flaws in the science (and the science is definitely flawed), or whether the NFL continues to be troubled by the Jastremski-McNally exchanges and Brady’s answers to questions about his interactions with either or both of them.

Most importantly, it’s unlikely that the Commissioner will fully exonerate Brady because the Commissioner nearly lost his job last year by not going far enough in disciplining a player. When the Commissioner goes too far, eventually having his decisions overturned by some independent party, he suffers little or no P.R. fallout.

That dynamic alone should tell us all which way the wind is howling on this one. And it provides further proof for the notion that last year’s Ray Rice debacle has left the Commissioner hopelessly conflicted in every single one of these cases.

With one path jeopardizing his job and the other path not triggering even a peep of substantial criticism, the smart play for Goodell will always be to uphold a suspension and let the player and his union fight for further reduction or outright elimination of it in court. And that’s the kind of inherent conflict that arguably makes Goodell unfit to be the final decision-maker in any of these cases.

But the science is not flawed. The recent report by the American Enterprise Institute is full of holes, and it did not even consider correctly the science that was in the appendix of the Wells report. It's unbelieveable an AP report would state something like that without even citing the basis of this erroneous claim. It's easy to simply state the science is flawed, but that statement is dead wrong.
 

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all this discussion about going to court seems hollow to me.

IF Brady goes to court he will first face a choice - has to pick one of these:

1. he can argue that based on the facts as determined by the Wells report and the rest of the evidence in the hands of the NFL, that it was unreasonable, a denial of due process, etc to punish him as he was punished. If he takes this sort of approach, he does not get to argue about whether the facts that were used by the NFL were accurate.

2. he can argue that the NFL got the facts wrong - present whatever facts and rebuttals he wants to present.

Approach #1 is a rather constrained approach.

Approach #2 has a big problem - once you start to argue about the facts then Brady and a bunch of other Pats employees, witnesses etc, have to give testimony under oath. First, they get deposed and then they testify in court. All documents and records get produced - including the phone and anything else the NFL can think of demanding within reason.

testimony under oath is a dicey thing unless you are really really innocent. And even if Brady actually is innocent, the testimony under oath may make the Pats look worse than they did coming out of the Wells report.

The NFL has smart lawyers - as does Brady - and they will all realize that this "I'll take you to court" thing isnt as simple as it sounds....

And the fact remains, Brady would still be guilty of not cooperating with the investigation. Most of his suspension was probably based on that alone.
 

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Ok then I think it's safe to say that his records will be available as evidence in the unlikely event it goes to court

Yes, but unfortunately, the content of the texts is not retained past a few days in most cases. So the only thing that would save him is if he retained the texts himself, and they contain no incriminating evidence. I rate that as incredibly unlikely.
 
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even if they said he had no knowledge how do they explain the texts between the two guys? I just can't fathom their being a defense for that.
 
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And even the supposedly neutral broadcast media where they have Tedy, Willie and the worst shill of them all. Biff McFarland out there fellating them along with the pom pom wavers at EEI and NESN and we are stuck with the SOJF club comprised of the likes of Benigno, Lucas, Joe Willie and Westy offering continual left hooks and right crosses to the franchise
 

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DeflateGate: Tom Brady Negotiating with Roger Goodell for Settlement
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The two sides of the investigation have come together to try and find a mutual ground- it's not happening.

The NFLPA is prepared to act if Tom Brady's suspension is not overturned.

According to Mike Florio from ProFootballTalk, and confirmed with additional sources, Tom Brady's camp has had settlement discussions with Roger Goodell and the NFL.

This does not mean that Brady is accepting guilt. This means that the league is trying to find an outcome that doesn't lead to a court case. Per Florio, a settlement doesn't appear likely.

Multiple sources have pointed to a settlement where Brady receives no games of suspension, but will have a game check (or two) penalized. It's uncertain if this would involve Brady accepting any blame or not, or if the league would be able to note that the penalty is for Brady's lack of cooperation in the procedure, and not for his potential knowledge of any shenanigans with the football. While docking a game check would be far greater than the $50,000 fine that Brett Favre received for his lack of cooperation, a monetary fine is more in line with prior precedence than a four game suspension.

According to Florio, Goodell is under pressure from multiple owners to uphold the suspension for Brady. It wouldn't be a surprise if the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins owners were an active part of the discussion, or the Broncos, Steelers, and Colts ownerships.

Influential owners that openly support that the suspension be upheld: Colts, Cowboys, Jets, Texans, Falcons http://t.co/hiVBtHGaa5)

— Rich Hill (@PP_Rich_Hill) July 23, 2015

Of course, we know that at least five team owners have publicly come out in support of Brady's penalty, including Jerry Jones of the Cowboys, Arthur Blank of the Falcons, and Bob McNair of the Texans. The owners in support of the penalty are considered just powerful as Patriots owner Robert Kraft (Jones), or just below (Blank, McNair).

Florio adds that Goodell is receiving legal advisement from attorney Gregg Levy, stating that "Levy has been warning Goodell that it will be difficult to make a suspension stick in court, even under the heightened standard that applies to challenging the outcome of a private arbitration agreement."

If the NFL believes they'll lose in court, Brady has no incentive to settle. Of course, if the suspension is revoked and any blame of any possible deflation is removed from Brady, then perhaps the Patriots quarterback would be fine with letting the whole ordeal end.

The latest scuttlebutt is that a verdict is expected tomorrow afternoon. Of course, that has been the talk for the past few weeks. So we'll report the news when it happens.
 

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I fear this is starting to set up as a no-game slap on the wrist. The league lost all credibility a long time ago when it came to the Pats. This will just show it is as corrupt as FIFA.
 

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I fear this is starting to set up as a no-game slap on the wrist. The league lost all credibility a long time ago when it came to the Pats. This will just show it is as corrupt as FIFA.

Hope you're wrong about that. And I do find the last of the two sentences I quoted from the cbs site to be encouraging in that regard.

Another thing I noticed on the cbs site is that the ruling is not expected until the end of July.
 

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On a positive note, this will be perceived in one of two ways by everyone outside of New England:

1. If there is a suspension - Pats got caught cheating again, as they always do.

2. If there is no suspension - Goodell covered up for Pats yet again, as he always does.
 

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On a positive note, this will be perceived in one of two ways by everyone outside of New England:

1. If there is a suspension - Pats got caught cheating again, as they always do.

2. If there is no suspension - Goodell covered up for Pats yet again, as he always does.

It will even be perceived that way by some folks in New England. :)
 

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It will even be perceived that way by some folks in New England. :)

A few, like us and most people in CT south and west of Hartford. But for all the partisans, they will claim Goodell is a former Jets executive (which he wasn't, he was an intern for one year more than 30 years ago) who hates the Pats. They will ignore how blatantly pro-Pats Goodell has been.
 
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We really shouldn't worry about or discuss what halfwitted drunken chowder heads think, feel or do.

There were many outside in 81 Jerseys when their convicted serial murderer Tight End was hauled in

Same with their serial cheating douchebag QB

Either brainwashed or braindead,.maybe both
 

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We really shouldn't worry about or discuss what halfwitted drunken chowder heads think, feel or do.

There were many outside in 81 Jerseys when their convicted serial murderer Tight End was hauled in

Same with their serial cheating douchebag QB

Either brainwashed or braindead,.maybe both

This is true. After all, Hernandez was framed, until he was cut. Then he was a murderous thug.
 

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