and brady sucks against good teams
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and there is no arguement against anything in that post. those are stats and stats are what you go by. checkmate
and , oh yeah, who was responsible for all thosetop defenses? from what I remember brady never played both sides of the ball or kicked all those game winning fieldgoals either.
right place in the right system at the right time
right place in the right system at the right time
for one, he only plays 4 good teams a year. for two, go back to my post and look at his record against the other good qb's
easy. brady played for belichick. Peyton played against belichick. switch teams and Peyton has 10 rings
how about their records at the time they played brady? not the same.
Dak, is not a winner. Rodgers may not be either, but he never got to play with bradys team or for belichick so it's hard to say
forgot Allen. the bills were not the patriots for at least two years. they no longer play in an afc with 1 or 2 respectable teams, and oh yeah, they are not coached by belichick
you think if brady were on his browns team, they would have won? no
belichick started it all by putting together 2 Parcells teams. he couldnt do that in Cleveland. you need something to make the players believe. the Parcells guys new the system and believed in it. I give belichick the credit for keeping it going no matter who left. that is hard. brady was a piece of the system
he won in tompa because those players believed that they would win because brady was there. if belichick coached them they would have won this year too. you posyed bradys great numbers this year. who cares? nthey still lost. under belichick. they would have won
I used to argue your point. that belichick wasn't great. that he won because he put 2 Parcells teams together and rolled with it. that he won because he had the greatest offensive line coach of all time. That he didn't win in Cleveland. but the guy kept winning. and every superbowl was won by the defense.
and even though 2 years ago they sucked record wise, they came close to winning every game with just about no talent on the team. nthis year he took rookie Mac Jones to the playoffs with a bunch of old guys on defense. they beat buffalo thowing 3 passes. I can't stand the guy but he is great. cant stand brady either. he is also hreat, but he has been in the right place, in the right system, at the right time. doent mean he's not great. just takes a little away from him in the arguement over who is the greatest. as does the no hitting brady rule.
it will be much harder now in the stacked afc for belichick to win a superbowl. because brady won in tompa, many guys will believe, like you, that it was because of brady that NE won. that makes it much harder for guys to buy into belichicks system. if he stays in the hunt the next 5 years and then retires, I'm impressed. if he has a losing record the next 5 years then your argument becomes much harder to refute
a big part of winning is psychological. all these players are good. if not, they wouldn't be in the nfl. any team can win any given Sunday. right? belichick got his team to believe in the system and kept it going for 20 years and counting still. 10-6 with Mac Jones as a rookie. what was bradys record rookie year? the same maybe? either way pretty impressive coaching
come on. cam didn't or couldn't read the playbook and all his best players sat out because of covid. and they were still in every game but 1 or maybe 2. with no talent on the team. this year 10-6 with Mac Jones drafted how many spots behind our QB, with a stacked afc and a vastly improved afc east.
look at bradys tenure in the afc east. 6 easy wins in the division every single year. 4-6 other teams with a losing record on their schedule. if they split with the good teams and beat the bad ones, they are 13-3. yes, that also detracts from belichick, but this year with a rookie QB, the afc was tough and they went 10-6. brady was 29th in schedule strength, played dallas week 1, the easiest week to win coming off the superbowl, and just about lost, then, who else did they beat? I'm sure 1 or 2 decent teams but I can't think of them. lost to the Rams twice, Saints with Winston and then without Winston, lost both...
brady is great but he has lived on a charmed team with charmed schedules. many other great qb's on brady's charmed teams would have done just as well.
but no QB evr, has played on teams that great for over 20 freakin years and no other great QB probably ever will. this has been insane.
let me add
I live in Ct. home of the cheatahs and former home of TB. actually he is or has just built a home in Greenwich , so still part time home of TB. I ask every cheatah fan this question: "if you went back 20 years and had to get rid of one, nrady or belichick, which would you get rid of?".
every single one picks brady
I live in Ct. home of the cheatahs and former home of TB. actually he is or has just built a home in Greenwich , so still part time home of TB. I ask every cheatah fan this question: "if you went back 20 years and had to get rid of one, nrady or belichick, which would you get rid of?".
every single one picks brady
actually, I think we are both wrong, with the extra game, they went 10-7 regular season
in bradys first season, bledsoe came back in and won a playoff game while brady was hurt( broken nail I think), but either way, without the "tuck rule" call, wher would brady be? not in that superbowl at the very least
and last year there was a discussion about if KC won the superbowl, would Andy Reid be concidered as good as or even better then belichick. I hope he ends up being better, but last year, while playing against brady, Majommes was without 2 starting olineman and KC's defense stinks, so they lost to brady who stood on his X like always waiting for someone to get open
ok. I have zero. your post will get a lot more people I'm sure, but I still have zero.
and if you posted it 2 years ago without TB winning last years SB, I'm sure the brady numbers would be way less
now you're talking
but how about this? what if they never had the tuck rule call and never won the first superbowl? do they come back and win the next year? I don' t think so. Like I said before, a big part of winning is believing, and without that first win, it's harder for them to believe
or this, year 2, everyone thought year 1 was a fluke. they got to play year 2 with that chip on their shoulder, plus the belief in the system.
no "tuck rule". no brady or belichick. that's what I like to believe
and it may well be true
yes.
I would be curious to see what they said though.
couple months back, I was a t a brewery in Mass. I after hanging with the bartenter for a good while shooting the shit, I told him I'm a Jet fan and hate his team, but I'm curious as to what he thinks as to which guy was the reason for the wins? not sure why I didn't ask my normal question of, one has to go which do you keep, but for whatever reason I didn't.
his answer was both were the reason for the wins
maybe they should have kept Winston, aand given him nradys allstar team to play with. he was actually doing pretty well on the Saints until.brady knocked him out for the season.
I read where the year before brady, Winston.wasndirectly responsiblenfor losing 2 or 3 games that had they won, TB would have been in the playoffs. Maybe with bradys allstars, he doesn't screw those 3 games up.
too many guys on that team are the kind of guys that will have melt downs anyway. they won last year because they believed brady would make the difference. this year they didn't care as much and lost the hunger
Sorry. But Wirfs, AB, Gronk, Winfield Jr and Fournette weren't the reasons on why TB won their SB because they were the only 5 players who weren't there the year before (2019).
they weren't the reason? they all looked pretty damn good to me. and without just 2 of them Wirfs and AB, they didn't fair quite as well this year.
wonder why brady went out of his way to get gronk and AB out of retirement then?
and the guys on NFL Network were the guys who said brady had assembled an allstar team. I stole it from them.
they were a few players short of a superbowl team and they went out and got them. Like the Rams are trying to do this year. difference is, brady got those guys for nothing as is bradys luck, but The Rams had to mortgage their future for a couple guys
they weren't the reason? they all looked pretty damn good to me. and without just 2 of them Wirfs and AB, they didn't fair quite as well this year.
wonder why brady went out of his way to get gronk and AB out of retirement then?
and the guys on NFL Network were the guys who said brady had assembled an allstar team. I stole it from them.
they were a few players short of a superbowl team and they went out and got them. Like the Rams are trying to do this year. difference is, brady got those guys for nothing as is bradys luck, but The Rams had to mortgage their future for a couple guys
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and the guys on NFL Network were the guys who said brady had assembled an allstar team. I stole it from them.
they were a few players short of a superbowl team and they went out and got them. Like the Rams are trying to do this year. difference is, brady got those guys for nothing as is bradys luck, but The Rams had to mortgage their future for a couple guys
and the guys on NFL Network were the guys who said brady had assembled an allstar team. I stole it from them.
they were a few players short of a superbowl team and they went out and got them. Like the Rams are trying to do this year. difference is, brady got those guys for nothing as is bradys luck, but The Rams had to mortgage their future for a couple guys
How many SBs did Brady win before Gronk? 3? you mean the spygate ones that the defense won? I know you have heard this before somewhere, Defense Wins Championships
Brady made Gronk. come on dwc?! that statement is absurd and for me takes away any credibility hat you may have had. gronk is a monster that never drops a pass and never gets tackled! come on!
How many SBs did AB win alongside Ben in Pittsburgh? 0?
▪︎ How many SBs did Fournette win in Jax and how many Pro Bowls and All Pros? 0? But yet you call him a "superstar" despite fewer than 100 carries last year? Doesnt matter. these guys were part of the missing pieces of the puzzle as was Wirfs. don't know why you would argue that
I wonder if I should call Joe Montana a fraud QB all bbecause of Jerry Rice (along with some awesome SF Ds) and failing to win in KC?
guess Joe should have assembled an allstar team in KC
total different game back then. QB's got hit. even Joe said it. imagine Montana standing on bradys X? how many more superbowls would he have had?
and the guys on NFL Network were the guys who said brady had assembled an allstar team. I stole it from them.
they were a few players short of a superbowl team and they went out and got them. Like the Rams are trying to do this year. difference is, brady got those guys for nothing as is bradys luck, but The Rams had to mortgage their future for a couple guys
and the guys on NFL Network were the guys who said brady had assembled an allstar team. I stole it from them.
they were a few players short of a superbowl team and they went out and got them. Like the Rams are trying to do this year. difference is, brady got those guys for nothing as is bradys luck, but The Rams had to mortgage their future for a couple guys
How many SBs did Brady win before Gronk? 3? you mean the spygate ones that the defense won? I know you have heard this before somewhere, Defense Wins Championships
Brady made Gronk. come on dwc?! that statement is absurd and for me takes away any credibility hat you may have had. gronk is a monster that never drops a pass and never gets tackled! come on!
How many SBs did AB win alongside Ben in Pittsburgh? 0?
▪︎ How many SBs did Fournette win in Jax and how many Pro Bowls and All Pros? 0? But yet you call him a "superstar" despite fewer than 100 carries last year? Doesnt matter. these guys were part of the missing pieces of the puzzle as was Wirfs. don't know why you would argue that
I wonder if I should call Joe Montana a fraud QB all bbecause of Jerry Rice (along with some awesome SF Ds) and failing to win in KC?
guess Joe should have assembled an allstar team in KC
total different game back then. QB's got hit. even Joe said it. imagine Montana standing on bradys X? how many more superbowls would he have had?