The Back-up Quarterback battle: Bryce Petty vs Geno Smith
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This is what my eyes show me: Petty has improved his footwork and awareness. I also like how he looked off the safety on multiple throws. Does he have more room to improve and grow? Absolutely.
Geno Smith may have a major league arm, but he still locks on to his first read and his footwork has regressed. He also can't improvise if his initial read is covered, thus leading to bonehead interceptions.
It'll be interesting how Bowles and company handle the next 2 weeks. The safe play is to keep Smith as the backup because of his experience. But then they'll burn a roster spot keeping 4 qb's. If they truly see what may be Petty outplaying Smith for the #2 QB spot, they will release Smith. I'm not convinced another team rushes to sign him...
Geno Smith may have a major league arm, but he still locks on to his first read and his footwork has regressed. He also can't improvise if his initial read is covered, thus leading to bonehead interceptions.
It'll be interesting how Bowles and company handle the next 2 weeks. The safe play is to keep Smith as the backup because of his experience. But then they'll burn a roster spot keeping 4 qb's. If they truly see what may be Petty outplaying Smith for the #2 QB spot, they will release Smith. I'm not convinced another team rushes to sign him...
One of the biggest knocks on Petty coming out of Baylor was that he was a system QB, that he was a single read QB who never had to make his progressions.
Well, he's been making his progressions in Gailey's system. And while it may not necessarily be against first string top talent on the defense, it's also not been with first string top talent on his offense.
Well, he's been making his progressions in Gailey's system. And while it may not necessarily be against first string top talent on the defense, it's also not been with first string top talent on his offense.
I haven't had a chance to watch the game yet, but from all accounts I have read Geno was pretty bad and Petty was impressive. I'm as big a Geno booster as there is here (as I'm sure you've noticed), but if Geno is not going to show progress and take his opportunities to impress, I'm perfectly content with letting Petty seize the #2 role. Petty has got all of the tangibles and intangibles to be a good QB, if he's already started to get it in year two, that is only good for the Jets.
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Excellent post brother. Petty is closing in on the gap between he and Geno. Blindside said it very eloquently as well, now it's time to see how he bodes with the two's. He needs to be evaluated at this point against better competition.
One thing that (i know its going to sound harsh) i'd like to see how he reacts is, is when he chucks his first interception. He hasn't so far in his professional career yet. I feel like he has the mettle to bounce back from it and the character to rally his teammates to have a short term memory to go onto the next play.
As for Geno, i know you and i have had some heated debates. I apologize if i came out a bit strong on some of my rebuttals. Like you, i want this team to succeed and as many, i'am tired of the mediocre play at the QB position that has poisoned this team for so many decades.
Believe it or not, i pulled for Geno many times. Though it started to get tiresome when the attention was being delegated away from the team and towards the individuality of the player.
IMHO, i still feel to this day that the previous regime, pressed the fast forward button on Geno (as well as Mark). They both had intangibles to work with, especially Geno talents. Though Rex was on his last years here. He wanted splash. Hell if it worked with one rookie QB, how in the hell wouldn't it work with another. I feel the progression and development of a 2nd round QB should be taken with caution as a 1st rounder. If the kid is coming from a non-pro style offense, he absolutely should not start the season until the organization feels he has the film room, preparation off the field and guided by a legit veteran down pact (see Steve McNair).
This was a marriage doomed from the start and has reach it's Rubicon from 90% of Jets fans. Unrightfully so (i am guilty of this), but its the nature of how Geno was conditioned. There was no discipline, no structure and everything was actually given to him. Year one, year two and year three he was anointed the unquestioned starter. No competition. Year four on the other hand, he also thought he's a lock to make the team but Bryce is surging right now to over take his spot.
How this current regime is developing both Petty and Christian Hackenberg is the route that many organizations choose and have successful outcomes throughout history. (Eli Manning-Giants, Aaron Rodgers-Green Bay, Boomer Esiason-Bengals, Joe Montana 49ers, Steve McNair-Oilers).
Seldom you have your Peyton Mannings actually pan out. Heck by year two, defenses typically start figuring that QB out and what happened in year one seemed like a facade (see RG3).
If Bryce continues to show case growth vs the Giants and Geno continues to struggle, then its time to turn the page and go with the player that is showing more promise.
We need to see Petty with the chance to be throwing the ball at Marshall and Decker and have support from Powell and Forte. Those two great receivers made Fitz look like a starting QB, its time to see how Petty can play with them. Marshall being thrown to by a guy who can throw bombs instead of floaters could be huge. If Fitz struggles in first few weeks like "0-4 struggle", I would put Petty in and see what he does with real players vs real defenses. I don't want Fitz back next year unless as a low cost backup. I really hope Petty makes the leap because I think he could be a great leader and he has the arm talent to succeed.
I would cut Geno because we know what he is. There is no consistent talent there.
I would cut Geno because we know what he is. There is no consistent talent there.
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Well, there's many (including myself) that claim that Ryan Fitzpatrick is MBM... That is Made By Marshall. Who's to say Marshall cannot do wonders for Bryce Petty?
Okay, so I have watched the game now. No doubt that Petty did some things to impress, although I agree with what Elias said above about his inconsistent accuracy - a misfire to Howsare who was wide open for a potential big gainer particularly jumped out at me. He was also a bit fortunate that one or two passes weren't picked off, but he also threw some great looking passes. He showed toughness, which we knew he has, but I was also impressed at the way he kept his eyes downfield while under pressure - the play where he escaped and hit Bostick for a first down was beautiful and only possible because he kept his composure and focus. I haven't completely given up on Geno, but as I said above, I am perfectly fine now with Petty seizing the #2 role.
Well said, NYJETSDAN16, I agree with pretty much everything you said, and I too apologize (and to Mainejet as well) for getting too heated in my comments. As you say, we all are just rooting for the Jets to come up winners, and we've endured so many years of mediocre QB play that we are pining for a legit franchise QB talent. I couldn't agree more that we seem to finally have a regime in place that understands how to build a team for long term success and develop its talent. I really do have a special feeling about Petty - as I said above, his demolition of my Sooners in 2014 was awe inspiring and indicative of a special talent. We'll find out about Hack in time, but we knew he'd be a project as well, probably a bigger one than Petty, since he has bad habits in his mechanics that have to be uprooted. In any event, this could be a challenging season because of the schedule, but the Jets really do seem like a team headed in the right direction.
Good posts, but I think we can summarize what's happening behind the curtain pretty easily.
Geno is getting angrier by the day, petty is getting increased reps by the day. Reps=football commodity. The Jets are increasing their investment in petty, which alone could just mean they want to make an educated move. Geno becoming angry makes me think he feels like he's losing something he thinks belongs to him.
We might carry 3 this year, and I think geno currently is losing the battle.
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Geno is getting angrier by the day, petty is getting increased reps by the day. Reps=football commodity. The Jets are increasing their investment in petty, which alone could just mean they want to make an educated move. Geno becoming angry makes me think he feels like he's losing something he thinks belongs to him.
We might carry 3 this year, and I think geno currently is losing the battle.
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He always felt it belonged to him. Like he was somehow entitled to be the Jets starting QB. There is not one thing that has happened to Geno, good or bad, that he did not do to himself.
Well not to bash the guy when he's down, but he has now been through 2 different regimes whom both gave him the starting position. One constant is his tantrums/childish remarks, and him losing the job.
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Exactly. Like I said, he brought everything on himself.
The main constant is his inconsistent play. Sucks Sunday and then everyone says he has a great practice today. Threw 6 TD's a week ago. He will never get it while he is here and his attitude just adds to it all.
I'm starting to think so. I've been saying for over a year I thought Geno should be given another chance. I beginning to think he's been given his chance, and he blew it.
I'm puzzled by Bowles reluctance to make the switch at backup QB when its clear to everyone that Petty has out-played Geno in the preseason games, and by all accounts, after the first week of training camp when Petty started slow, its been ALL PETTY in practice too. He has been out-playing Geno for weeks, has a better attitude too. He's been upbeat, saying and doing all of the right things, while Geno has been mostly sulking since we re-signed Fitz.
If competition truly matters here, Petty should be ahead of Geno on the depth chart and its not even a tough call.
That said, I'm puzzled because this regime did not even draft Geno Smith. Ordinarily when you see an HC and GM clinging to the hopes that the light will eventually go on for PLAYER A, and they give him more rope than he has earned, placing him above guys who have clearly out-played him on the depth chart, its because they drafted PLAYER A so they have a personal investment in his success or failure. Thats not the case here.
To the contrary, Petty is the guy that they drafted, and they traded up in RD 4 to draft him. Thats why its so surprising that Bowles is seemingly bending over backwards and twisting himself into a pretzel to delay the inevitable. If Bowles is going to favor anybody, you would think he would favor the kid they drafted, not the guy the prior regime drafted.
If competition truly matters here, Petty should be ahead of Geno on the depth chart and its not even a tough call.
That said, I'm puzzled because this regime did not even draft Geno Smith. Ordinarily when you see an HC and GM clinging to the hopes that the light will eventually go on for PLAYER A, and they give him more rope than he has earned, placing him above guys who have clearly out-played him on the depth chart, its because they drafted PLAYER A so they have a personal investment in his success or failure. Thats not the case here.
To the contrary, Petty is the guy that they drafted, and they traded up in RD 4 to draft him. Thats why its so surprising that Bowles is seemingly bending over backwards and twisting himself into a pretzel to delay the inevitable. If Bowles is going to favor anybody, you would think he would favor the kid they drafted, not the guy the prior regime drafted.
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Holding out a faint hope of getting a pock back in 2017 for him!
Only thing that I can think of...
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Yup , me too
And I don't like it
Didn't like the message he sent last year when he stated no one game is more important than another.
Tell the fans that about the Buffalo game. Both of them.
Let's hope he's being coy , but I don't think so.
An objective (I think) look at our QB performances in Skins game;
http://turnonthejets.com/2016/08/ny...itzpatrick-geno-smith-bryce-petty/#more-33334
http://turnonthejets.com/2016/08/ny...itzpatrick-geno-smith-bryce-petty/#more-33334
it not only a ridiculous stance to take, it's flat out factually incorrect.. i truly hope that was a rookie head coach philosophy that bowles has since outgrown.. *sigh* but if he wants to be stubborn about it & keep telling the media/fans he still believes this farce, fine, great, whatever..... so long as he's not coaching his team to continue to believe that horse spit..
as far as the petty/smith situation goes, i agree with hammer.. 9.9 out of 10 times you give the guy you drafted every opportunity to win the job over someone another regime drafted or traded for.. what kind of message does this send to his locker room?? you clearly are out playing your competition (in both training camp & preseason) but your head coach keeps giving these ultra valuable 2nd team reps to a guy (IMO) that won't make the 53 man roster??
jeezbus bowles, enough already.....
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i don't know 15.. look, i absolutely could be wrong but this guy seems to have a predisposed opinion of petty..
for those who reads this guy's stuff, i would be interested in his thoughts on petty since we drafted him..
yes he praised petty but begrudgingly so.. my take on it anyway..