The Back-up Quarterback battle: Bryce Petty vs Geno Smith

[lounap23]

An objective (I think) look at our QB performances in Skins game;

http://turnonthejets.com/2016/08/ny...itzpatrick-geno-smith-bryce-petty/#more-33334

So his report is basically opposite of every other reporters opinion.... He nailed the starting off slow and the inconsistency at the start but then veered off where everyone else said Petty went through his reads well and again showed improvement with his pocket awareness. HE said Petty was hesitant with his reads and has strange pocket awareness.......

I watched the game I tend to agree with every other reporter... Petty started inconsistent settled down, was very accurate after he settled down; just missed a throw to willams (it happens to all QB's). Made good pocket decisions. Showed toughness in the pocket.... Getting killed behind the #3's..... Looks good with not much pocket time and avoiding sacks by making quick decisions and going through his reads and getting rid of the ball... Makes you think what could he do with the 1's and Mangold calling the protection and Marshall and Decker as his WR's....

 

[jetgreen13]

Good posts, but I think we can summarize what's happening behind the curtain pretty easily.

Geno is getting angrier by the day, petty is getting increased reps by the day. Reps=football commodity. The Jets are increasing their investment in petty, which alone could just mean they want to make an educated move. Geno becoming angry makes me think he feels like he's losing something he thinks belongs to him.

We might carry 3 this year, and I think geno currently is losing the battle.

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word on the streets is smith got way more reps then petty today at practice..

go figure.....

 

[Old#15]

i don't know 15.. look, i absolutely could be wrong but this guy seems to have a predisposed opinion of petty..

for those who reads this guy's stuff, i would be interested in his thoughts on petty since we drafted him..

yes he praised petty but begrudgingly so.. my take on it anyway..

I think everyone has some level bias, look no further than most if not an overwhelming majority of the posts on this site. I thought that the writer was really tough (deservedly so) on Geno and gave a less than glowing evaluation of Fitz as well. Maybe he just has a higher standard for QB play across the board, which is how I saw it.

 

[jetgreen13]

I think everyone has some level bias, look no further than most if not an overwhelming majority of the posts on this site. I thought that the writer was really tough (deservedly so) on Geno and gave a less than glowing evaluation of Fitz as well. Maybe he just has a higher standard for QB play across the board, which is how I saw it.

again, the writer seems to begrudgingly give petty praise for his play against washington.. hesitant & strange pocket awareness?? behind that 3rd string sieve of an OL?? really?? LOLz how can one be "hesitant" & throw for 242 & 2 TDs with two heartbeats of time to get the ball out??

meh, the more i think about it, the less i care what this guy thinks..

 

[lounap23]

word on the streets is smith got way more reps then petty today at practice..

go figure.....

Well he obviously needs the reps....LOL

 

[jetgreen13]

Well he obviously needs the reps....LOL

bowles (& possibly maccagnan) are hell-bent on getting a bag of rocks for smith, at the expense of giving petty the reps in both practice & preseason (at least with the #2s) & it's pissing me off at this point.. but i guess that's become fairly obvious..

 

[lounap23]

bowles (& possibly maccagnan) are hell-bent on getting a bag of rocks for smith, at the expense of giving petty the reps in both practice & preseason (at least with the #2s) & it's pissing me off at this point.. but i guess that's become fairly obvious..

Don't let it.... Petty will be fine and Geno will be gone soon enough

 

[jetgreen13]

Don't let it.... Petty will be fine and Geno will be gone soon enough

 

[soj]

again, the writer seems to begrudgingly give petty praise for his play against washington.. hesitant & strange pocket awareness?? behind that 3rd string sieve of an OL?? really?? LOLz how can one be "hesitant" & throw for 242 & 2 TDs with two heartbeats of time to get the ball out??

meh, the more i think about it, the less i care what this guy thinks..

Agree...just wondering what game he was watching

 

[Mainejet]

I'm puzzled by Bowles reluctance to make the switch at backup QB when its clear to everyone that Petty has out-played Geno in the preseason games, and by all accounts, after the first week of training camp when Petty started slow, its been ALL PETTY in practice too. He has been out-playing Geno for weeks, has a better attitude too. He's been upbeat, saying and doing all of the right things, while Geno has been mostly sulking since we re-signed Fitz.

If competition truly matters here, Petty should be ahead of Geno on the depth chart and its not even a tough call.

That said, I'm puzzled because this regime did not even draft Geno Smith. Ordinarily when you see an HC and GM clinging to the hopes that the light will eventually go on for PLAYER A, and they give him more rope than he has earned, placing him above guys who have clearly out-played him on the depth chart, its because they drafted PLAYER A so they have a personal investment in his success or failure. Thats not the case here.

To the contrary, Petty is the guy that they drafted, and they traded up in RD 4 to draft him. Thats why its so surprising that Bowles is seemingly bending over backwards and twisting himself into a pretzel to delay the inevitable. If Bowles is going to favor anybody, you would think he would favor the kid they drafted, not the guy the prior regime drafted.

Well, Ham ..Far be it from me to defend Geno, but I do believe we are really only looking at barely more than one game as a sample size. I thought Petty outplayed Geno in the Jax game, but the difference is negligible. We are really only talking last Friday as the defining win for Petty....

 

[Bigmoe]

LOLz

BTW, have you seen the new trailers for fear & the walking dead?? if so, thoughts??

Well fear is back , waiting on the real deal October
Stared new thread in off topics

 

[mykcuz]

Well, Ham ..Far be it from me to defend Geno, but I do believe we are really only looking at barely more than one game as a sample size. I thought Petty outplayed Geno in the Jax game, but the difference is negligible. We are really only talking last Friday as the defining win for Petty....

Mac is going to have a decision to make, he needs info to make it. Taking a roster spot for a 4th qb can mean losing an important role player. Mac needs to be confident in petty to make that decision.
Mike Francesa was live at camp today and the only player not available was geno. The Jets are afraid of geno talking, that's pretty weird on its own. Rumor was several teams inquired about geno trades.
I'd love a Cleveland brown pick next year, nice and high.

Also discussed was the known point, that the Jets are comfortable that should Fitz get knocked out for 2 games, geno could steal 1 or 2 wins. There's a lot up in the air and Mac has proven we won't know what he's up to until he does it.

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[Mainejet]

Mac is going to have a decision to make, he needs info to make it. Taking a roster spot for a 4th qb can mean losing an important role player. Mac needs to be confident in petty to make that decision.
Mike Francesa was live at camp today and the only player not available was geno. The Jets are afraid of geno talking, that's pretty weird on its own. Rumor was several teams inquired about geno trades.
I'd love a Cleveland brown pick next year, nice and high.

Also discussed was the known point, that the Jets are comfortable that should Fitz get knocked out for 2 games, geno could steal 1 or 2 wins. There's a lot up in the air and Mac has proven we won't know what he's up to until he does it.

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I think we know what Mac is up to already.....

Common sense tells you the Jets are going to hold on to Bryce Petty. they will NOT cut/trade him, NO way. Geno will either get cut or Mac will manage to find some kind of sucker will to give up a pick for him... Geno is gone.....

 

[Seaver41]

for me this is a no brainer. Geno is garbage. He has no mental capacity to play QB at the NFL level. Petty in his short time has had to overcome not only inexperience, but the poor training grounds for being an NFL QB at Baylor. He has made leaps and bounds that dwarf any progress (if any) Geno has showed in 3 years.

No, the Jets QB situation is not ideal - the starter is a backup material guy who maybe, just maybe in his later years is figuring out things he did not as a younger player. The QB position requires a brain, and it is that which Fitzpatrick possesses that gives me the hope he can do just enough to score more than the opponent. He's an advanced version of Sanchez when they had him. that still doesn't make him a star or the type that you can rely upon to carry you, but he is useful.

There are some real concerns about Hackenburg and you could make the argument that he could be the reason they have to keep Petty - he might be their only shot at a future QB on the roster. At the very least with no playing yet, he will have miles and miles to overcome before 2017.

 

[SackExchange]

for me this is a no brainer. Geno is garbage. He has no mental capacity to play QB at the NFL level. Petty in his short time has had to overcome not only inexperience, but the poor training grounds for being an NFL QB at Baylor. He has made leaps and bounds that dwarf any progress (if any) Geno has showed in 3 years.

No, the Jets QB situation is not ideal - the starter is a backup material guy who maybe, just maybe in his later years is figuring out things he did not as a younger player. The QB position requires a brain, and it is that which Fitzpatrick possesses that gives me the hope he can do just enough to score more than the opponent. He's an advanced version of Sanchez when they had him. that still doesn't make him a star or the type that you can rely upon to carry you, but he is useful.

There are some real concerns about Hackenburg and you could make the argument that he could be the reason they have to keep Petty - he might be their only shot at a future QB on the roster. At the very least with no playing yet, he will have miles and miles to overcome before 2017.

Ultimately, you keep both Petty and Hack until you know what you have in him. You already know what you have in Geno, and I am not impressed.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Here's how every Head Coach in the league decides who his starting QB and who his backup QB is:

1. Who gives us the best chance to win games?

2. If the starter goes down, who then gives us the best chance to win games?

Thats it, the coach doesn't take anything else into consideration, not unless his father owns the team or the GM's father owns the team and the GM is his brother-in-law. Otherwise the HC is not concerned about building a better team for the next HC. His only concern is winning games, and his mindset is mostly week to week. Thats why you need a GM with a longterm POV to counterbalance the HC.

That said, IMO any coach who answers Question #2 with "Geno Smith" needs to have his head examined.

The answer to that question should be Bryce Petty seven days a week and twice on Sunday, even if its only by default!!

 

[jetgreen13]

Here's how every Head Coach in the league decides who his starting QB and who his backup QB is:

1. Who gives us the best chance to win games?

2. If the starter goes down, who then gives us the best chance to win games?

Thats it, the coach doesn't take anything else into consideration, not unless his father owns the team or the GM's father owns the team and the GM is his brother-in-law. Otherwise the HC is not concerned about building a better team for the next HC. His only concern is winning games, and his mindset is mostly week to week. Thats why you need a GM with a longterm POV to counterbalance the HC.

That said, IMO any coach who answers Question #2 with "Geno Smith" needs to have his head examined.

The answer to that question should be Bryce Petty seven days a week and twice on Sunday, even if its only by default!!

i've tried (really hard) to get my head around bowles' thinking as far as smith is concerned.. i can't.....

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I'am stunned by how the fan base here (of course every one is entitled to their opinion) at how they feel Bowles is trumping Bryce with Geno Smith.

Bryce is a lock to make this team guys based on how well he is progressing. Let Geno come off the bench this Saturday night. Thats fine. Hopefully that performance will give mac a chance to trade him for something.

Petty is no where near "in a dog house". That makes no sense to be frank. Think of it, think of the ramification that will do for the bigger investment in developing Christian Hackenberg:

Play well-Your on a short leash.

Play poorly-Your on a short leash.

Make no mistake, Mike Maccagnan values all of his draft picks, ESPECIALLY when he trades up to acquire the player. So far Petty has made a beautiful leap from a one dimensional style collegiate offense to taking snaps from under center (something Geno Smith unfortunatley cannot do in year four).

Let this play out folks. No need to hit on the panic button and pull out the pitch forks and start lynching Todd Bowles just because he gave more reps to Geno than Bryce at the start of Giants week.

There is still another week to go. Also, keep this in mind:

Bryce received even LESS than limited practice time last year as a rookie in the pre-season as Matt Flynn and Josh Johnson (Who are legit veterans of the league and actually performed pretty well in the 2015 pre-season) and Petty still received the back up nod vs the Cleveland Browns in the opener last year.

All i'am saying is this.................. Relax. Bryce wont be released.

 

[NewMFS62]

If the answer is Geno Smith, then you're asking the wrong question.

Later

 

[jetgreen13]

I'am stunned by how the fan base here (of course every one is entitled to their opinion) at how they feel Bowles is trumping Bryce with Geno Smith.

Bryce is a lock to make this team guys based on how well he is progressing. Let Geno come off the bench this Saturday night. Thats fine. Hopefully that performance will give mac a chance to trade him for something.

Petty is no where near "in a dog house". That makes no sense to be frank. Think of it, think of the ramification that will do for the bigger investment in developing Christian Hackenberg:

Play well-Your on a short leash.

Play poorly-Your on a short leash.

Make no mistake, Mike Maccagnan values all of his draft picks, ESPECIALLY when he trades up to acquire the player. So far Petty has made a beautiful leap from a one dimensional style collegiate offense to taking snaps from under center (something Geno Smith unfortunatley cannot do in year four).

Let this play out folks. No need to hit on the panic button and pull out the pitch forks and start lynching Todd Bowles just because he gave more reps to Geno than Bryce at the start of Giants week.

There is still another week to go. Also, keep this in mind:

Bryce received even LESS than limited practice time last year as a rookie in the pre-season as Matt Flynn and Josh Johnson (Who are legit veterans of the league and actually performed pretty well in the 2015 pre-season) and Petty still received the back up nod vs the Cleveland Browns in the opener last year.

All i'am saying is this.................. Relax. Bryce wont be released.

16, petty getting cut at this point is crazy talk, even for us jets fans!!

so no, i don't believe that's what's going on here at all..

i believe bowles is making people nervous with the idea of holding on to smith at the potential expense of losing anderson, peake or j marshall..

that & if we do end up carrying 4 QB's, how do petty & hackenberg get their much needed reps come this season??

as far as i'm concerned, if any teams are interested in smith, they will continue to wait patiently for us to cut him..