The Jets select Christian Hackenberg with the 51st pick

OCCH

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freshman year: Hackenberg was the perfect prospect, then
sophomore year: new coach, no talent on the offensive line
junior year: same coach, still no talent on the offensive line

this kid showed us in his first year that he can take snaps under center or in shotgun... he showed ability to scan defenses looking for his open target... he showed off his dime dropping accuracy not only short and intermediate passing routes but deep down the field pin point accuracy... his awareness was also on display showing instinctive ability when to tuck n run when the pressure collapsed the pocket... he also is aware enough to slide instead of taking unnecessary hits... this is the kid Maccagnan drafted with the 51st overall pick...

any prospect that had those two horrid years in an offense with no offensive line talent and coach's game plan that didn't help the lack of talent should pack up and run for the hills but CH didn't do that he got up and lined up his offense and tried to execute again and again, why? the reason why this kid showed his toughness and his willingness to compete, right here is why we should hope he can shed the last two seasons and continue his growth...

yes, I hope Petty also gets out of his own way and shows his true potential then we will have finally one signal caller that can be the face of the franchise while having that trade chip that we never had before...

at the end of the day whomever wants it that bad will take it, until then lets enjoy the ride because it looks to be a bumpy one...

Of course I love hearing this stuff, but he was still sub 60% completion his freshman year.

As someone who doesn't follow CFB, is that the norm for a freshman and everyone just expected it to go UP instead of DOWN his next two years? Otherwise it would seem accuracy was an issue from day one . . .
 

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lets hope we won't have games on Halloween...BOO......I saw some passes that were out of this world from him......& that is not a good thing/////LOL But lets pray Radar is allowed at the stadiums over the next few years. they may need to warn people in the first few rows about the danger or put up safety nets.....incoming.......Maybe put a bulls eye on the back of jet rec's. Plus get Tebow in to work on his passing. But the good news is we are not a Shea the planes can safely fly right on by.

Over exaggerate much... Lol...
 

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Of course I love hearing this stuff, but he was still sub 60% completion his freshman year.

As someone who doesn't follow CFB, is that the norm for a freshman and everyone just expected it to go UP instead of DOWN his next two years? Otherwise it would seem accuracy was an issue from day one . . .

well it is pretty rare for a true freshman to play, so saying sub 60% completion as a kid just out of high school isn't impressive doesn't factor in how rare it is to play that early in college, especially at a major program (granted penn st was in the midst of the sandusky scandal at the time)

interesting article in today's WSJ NY section

In his last two years at Penn State, quarterback Christian Hackenberg completed less than 55% of his passes and often held on to the ball too long, getting sacked 103 times in his college career.

But despite the numbers, the Jets could potentially be getting a steal with their second-round pick.

Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan pointed to Hackenberg’s fantastic 2013 season as a true freshman when he completed 58.9% of his passes with twice as many touchdowns (20) as interceptions (10). “The last two seasons, was a little different than the first season,” Maccagnan said. “You look at the parts and the pieces of the player.” Hackenberg played with quarterback guru Bill O’Brien, a former Patriots offensive coordinator, in his first season with the Nittany Lions, before O’Brien left to coach the Houston Texans.

Having success as a true freshman is very unusual even for the college quarterbacks who go on to become the best pros. Of the 28 draft picks who proceeded to make an NFL Pro Bowl since 2000, only nine threw at least 100 passes as true freshman, according to Sports-Reference.com. Hackenberg shines among this select group. The only quarterback who did better in this metric was Robert Griffin III, who played in a wide-open Baylor offense that makes for gaudy passing statistics. Hackenberg’s 134.0 freshman rating in 392 attempts easily tops Philip Rivers (126.1), Carson Palmer (122.8), Jay Cutler (112.4) and Matthew Stafford (109). Palmer and Stafford were both No. 1 overall picks, while Rivers was taken fourth and Cutler was selected with the 11th overall pick. The Jets took Hackenberg with the 51st pick on Friday.

Hackenberg is big (6-foot-4, 223 pounds) and fast (combine-best 4.78 40-yard dash for a quarterback), with a pro-ready arm. But his last two seasons put him on the developmental track. “It’s going to be an adjustment period to the NFL,” Maccagnan said.


(edit - the graphic from article doesn't show here, but there is a table comparing the 9 QBs who attempted more than 100 passes as a freshman. RGIII had a 59.9% completion % and 142 rating, hackenberg was 58.9% and 134, rivers was 53.7% and 126.1, carson palmer was 55.3% and 122.8, cutler was 48.6% and 112.4 and stafford was 52.7% and 109)

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Of course I love hearing this stuff, but he was still sub 60% completion his freshman year.

As someone who doesn't follow CFB, is that the norm for a freshman and everyone just expected it to go UP instead of DOWN his next two years? Otherwise it would seem accuracy was an issue from day one . . .

his first year as everyone stated he had talent surrounding him and he was in a simple offense (Bill O'Brien's Patriots Offense) but if that is the case and he excelled inside a pro style system his first year wouldn't it make that much more intriguing with the right coaching staff he can make now at this level... stats are misleading, especially when of those incomplete passes about 8% were drops... as for his next two seasons he clearly didn't have trust in his protection or game plan for that matter and was careless in his mechanics where he had some humdingers of incomplete passes that is on him for the most part...

everyone suspected he would have a harder time (new offense, no skill players) the next seasons but that bad as it was... some prospects rescinded their decision after O'Brien left... not saying they would of made a difference but who knows...

we can only hope for the best with him, he has the technical attributes to develop and hopefully his mental state is not un-repairable after the last two seasons he went through...
 

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(edit - the graphic from article doesn't show here, but there is a table comparing the 9 QBs who attempted more than 100 passes as a freshman. RGIII had a 59.9% completion % and 142 rating, hackenberg was 58.9% and 134, rivers was 53.7% and 126.1, carson palmer was 55.3% and 122.8, cutler was 48.6% and 112.4 and stafford was 52.7% and 109)

Edited to include the pic! Thanks for the article.
 

DonMaynard

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Yes, thanks Hobs, that's a reassuring article and the graphic is an eye opener too.I can't wait to see how this kid develops , and as stated in one of his interviews , he's a lot more athletic that people realize.
 

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what we really need to see is him on the field vs Petty. that will give us some much needed perspective on where the Jets stand as an organization looking for the answer at QB. Petty needs to be ahead of Hackenberg after being with a pro team for a year. That should give us a barometer in how close Hackenberg can perform to the level of Petty.
 

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what we really need to see is him on the field vs Petty. that will give us some much needed perspective on where the Jets stand as an organization looking for the answer at QB. Petty needs to be ahead of Hackenberg after being with a pro team for a year. That should give us a barometer in how close Hackenberg can perform to the level of Petty.

I agree and hopefully we'll see a lot of them both during the pre season games. Problem or maybe not is I believe Hack will show himself to being even, if not ahead of the game then Petty. I say that for two reasons which are pretty obvious. First, the Jets can't have that much confidence in Petty or they wouldn't of drafted any QB period IMO. So he probably hasn't progressed much from last year. Second is Hack flourished in his rookie year under Obrien in the NE prostyle offense he brought to PSU. So he's already shown he can do it. His last two years everything changed but 75% appears to be because of his surroundings and not him. Could be wrong but in the videos I watched Hack appeared to still stand strong and take the beating while doing what he could. That holds a lot of weight with me and I'm sure it does with Woody, Mac, TB and the other coaches. So I believe come pre season time and real game time, they will get Hack to a Petty's level, if not beyond it.

He'll probably show more then Geno also which shouldn't be hard at all to do!
 
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you want to ask hoodie if he thinks matt cassell is a betterr QB than tom brady :global (6):

btw, not sure what your post above even means considering we took hackenberg before the pats even made their 1st pick.
But not before 31 other GMs passed on him 3 times, INCLUDING said Hoodie.
You really didn't stop and think this one out, did ya?
 

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I appreciate your posts, Hyatt. Referring to yourself in the third person? Questionable, but to each their own!

The first video in the original post is great. Sure the kid has issues that need to be worked on, but imo his ability to read defenses, especially in his freshman year is a huge plus. The other pieces will fall into place over time (we hope).
 

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HYATT™;78068 said:
But not before 31 other GMs passed on him 3 times, INCLUDING said Hoodie.
You really didn't stop and think this one out, did ya?

who you talking about being passed by 31 GMs 3 times? brady, i will grant was passed on many times. nevertheless, belichick has recently called him the greatest QB of all time

LINK

as to hackenberg, he was a 2nd round pick so GMs couldn't have passed on him 3x (except any team which may have had 3 picks before #51). the pats first pick was #60, so hoodie never had a chance on him
 

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One other media member must be mentioned: Gary Myers panned the pick. Why? On the basis that Penn State does not produce good quarterbacks. If a student of mine had ever used this kind of "logic" in an essay, he would have earned an "F." I'd like to give Gary Myers an "F" ... and a "U." I just can't stand this shit. If you don't liker a pick, fine, but do go to these lengths to knock it is disgraceful, even for Myers. What a jerk.
Another criticism I've seen several times is that the pick is "polarizing." TO WHOM?. NOT to his teammates who actually played with him and twice named him captain!!! So to whom exactly was the pick polarizing? To people who had downgraded Hackenberg in their mock drafts!!

You can't make this stuff up. I don't know what college Myers went to, but I guess that I can conclude that the school doesn't produce good columnists. Also, last year we shouldn't have played Fitz because Harvard doesn't produce good quarterbacks!!
 

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One other media member must be mentioned: Gary Myers panned the pick. Why? On the basis that Penn State does not produce good quarterbacks. If a student of mine had ever used this kind of "logic" in an essay, he would have earned an "F." I'd like to give Gary Myers an "F" ... and a "U." I just can't stand this shit. If you don't liker a pick, fine, but do go to these lengths to knock it is disgraceful, even for Myers. What a jerk.
Another criticism I've seen several times is that the pick is "polarizing." TO WHOM?. NOT to his teammates who actually played with him and twice named him captain!!! So to whom exactly was the pick polarizing? To people who had downgraded Hackenberg in their mock drafts!!

You can't make this stuff up. I don't know what college Myers went to, but I guess that I can conclude that the school doesn't produce good columnists. Also, last year we shouldn't have played Fitz because Harvard doesn't produce good quarterbacks!!


By his logic the Ravens should've never drafted Joe Flacco
 

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HYATT™;78068 said:
But not before 31 other GMs passed on him 3 times, INCLUDING said Hoodie.
You really didn't stop and think this one out, did ya?

How many times did Hoodie pass on Brady? Why didn't he take him in round 1? Or did he just get lucky?
 

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I appreciate your posts, Hyatt. Referring to yourself in the third person? Questionable, but to each their own!

The first video in the original post is great. Sure the kid has issues that need to be worked on, but imo his ability to read defenses, especially in his freshman year is a huge plus. The other pieces will fall into place over time (we hope).

I don't care if he stays or goes but if he stays he has to produce proof that he has actually trademarked his name or owns the hotel chain

Otherwise it's just self indulgent grandstanding.
 
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