Not a reach if he becomes a starter.
The Jets select Christian Hackenberg with the 51st pick
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Not a reach if he becomes a starter.
I just think with Hack getting his ass beat in college he will be more prepared in the NFL. I think it taught him a lot. I still want him to be the day one starter because he beat out Fitz.
not sure if that was in response to my post, but of course i know that idzik (and all GMs) have their own scouts and conduct workouts, interviews, etc... however, a GM and scouts have a lot more knowledge about the player and do more than plug some data into a computer model to determine likelihood to succeed. and they get to know the actual player and what makes him tick and how he thinks about football, something none of the internet experts can do. that said, no one is infallible, and i said so above as well.
in any event, the same QBASE the article you posted seems to think lynch would have been a reach at 20:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016
At first blush, Lynch's 2015 numbers (66.8 percent completion rate, 8.5 YPA, 28 TD, 4 INT) look promising. The bloom comes off the rose, however, when you correct for Lynch running up his numbers against the No. 86 slate of opposing defenses. While QBASE finds enough in the raw numbers for prospects such as Ben Roethlisberger to produce a high projection despite weak competition, Lynch's stats do not quite rise to that bar.
Even with QBASE's pessimism about Lynch's outlook, the projection gives him about a 33 percent chance of being at least an adequate starter. Quarterbacks with those odds of success have historically gone in the second round, so the projection would view it as a reach if, as some mock drafts currently suggest, the Broncos selected him with their first-round pick.
saw his article on the michigan board. leaving the politics out of it, let's just say i'm glad we didn't draft connor cook and have to deal with his father. the NY press would have eaten him (and the jets) alive.
for the record, i don't think this is the reason cook fell. or not solely the reason. but it may explain why there were plenty whispers of him being a giant d-bag and not liked by his teammates. perhaps the apple didn't fall far from the tree on this one...
http://detroitsportsrag.net/is-connor-cooks-dad-curt-schilling/
for the record, i don't think this is the reason cook fell. or not solely the reason. but it may explain why there were plenty whispers of him being a giant d-bag and not liked by his teammates. perhaps the apple didn't fall far from the tree on this one...
http://detroitsportsrag.net/is-connor-cooks-dad-curt-schilling/
Crazy stuff.
Now I like this, honesty real honesty. None of us are draft expects or minimal at that, I'm guessing. I know I'm not. We're all just fans that want the best for our team. Seems like we have a great regime we can trust in now. So let's just do that, hope for the best and hopefully it all works out.
I think it is probably still a reach even if Hack becomes the next Tom Brady. Would you say the Pats would not have been reaching if they drafted Brady in the 2nd round?
Fine. Fans can say it's a reach. I will continue to trust the people that actually know something about football.
It's mostly not fans who are saying it. It's the experts.
I just get tired of people saying this guy or that guy is reach. Seems like people only find value in late rounds. If Hack becomes a SB champion that "reach" turns into a steal.
well i'd think the "experts" are the ones who make decisions and evaluations for actual nfl teams, not the ones who write on the internet or talk on tv about actual nfl teams.
in any event, not sure which "experts" you are going by, but many had him in the range of being a 2nd round pick
kiper had him at #58 in his final big board
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/in...-kiper-final-big-board-top-300-prospects-2016
mcshay had him at #49
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/49989
nfl.com's draft profile said round 2 or 3
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/christian-hackenberg?id=2555416
cbs sports said round 2 or 3
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079275/christian-hackenberg
walter football said round 1-3, and likely to go in round 2 (if not late 1)
http://walterfootball.com/draft2016QB.php
now obviously there were others who hated him, including PFF which said he didn't have a draftable grade. but someone who many experts expected to go somewhere in rounds 2 or 3 being drafted towards the end of round 2 isn't really a reach.
Not a major reach when there are reports of several teams including the Cowboys, Chiefs and Niners looking to trade back into the 2nd rd to get him as well as Reports stating other teams were going to take him in Rd2 if the Jets didn't (i,e Bears, Saints and even the Pats)... As well as most Projections said 2nd rd possibly 3rd and Jon Gruden stating he should go 1st Rd.... So yes the projections seemed to be anywhere from late 1st to 3rd and he went late 2nd. Seems right about where he was gonna go.... Because it was the Jets and because of our situation with Fitz and the NY media it becomes more of a story than it really is... Would we all felt better about taking him in the 3rd...... HAHAH nope. Cause then everyone would be saying could have got him in the 4th....LOL
Christian Hackenberg 1 on 1
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/v...g-1-on-1/801167d9-ca3c-40bf-be18-8a2b3404b093
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/v...g-1-on-1/801167d9-ca3c-40bf-be18-8a2b3404b093
I'm certainly not saying there are no experts who thought it was a great move. My seat of the pants impression though is that perhaps 90% of the experts thought it was a reach. Personally, I think it was a good pick. But based on the majority view of the experts, it was still a reach. Maybe this time though the Jets will finally get lucky. I hope so.
ask yourself this RI.. NE grabbed a QB in the 3rd round right?? let's say hackenberg was still on the board & they picked him instead at that spot.. with the NE/o'brien connection, would the "experts" have blasted the pick or romanticized the hell out of it??
I'd say the Pats pick was more a reach than the Jets pick was.
i know nothing about the kid they drafted.. i don't even remember his name being bounced around.. you??
I would say that the Jets' pick was probably justified. But I would still say it was a reach. Hey, listen. That does not mean it was a mistake. As I said, I have come to like the pick. But based on the evaluations of most experts, I still think it qualifies as a reach. But I think it was a justified reach. Based on the Jets' research, it would have been a mistake to wait past the 2nd round. But still, it was a reach. But I am saying it is a reach I can live with.
I for one do not like the Hackenberg pick nor do I like the Lee pick. I did not like the Williams pick last year nor did I like the Richardson pick. I loved the Gholston pick. So like the Wickerman I too do not have a great sense of knowledge on who will be proven stars and who won't. I do have my own opinion and love the Jets. I like everyone else here is there own fan GM and Coach.