This is the season we find out re: Geno

[jets82]

I don't mean to single you out, I'm just using your post to ask a question:

Why does THIS YEAR determine "once and for all" if Geno is the answer? It's only his first year in the system, isn't it? His first year with many of these weapons, and perhaps an OL that could use an upgrade? How do we know this year isn't setting us up for his REAL breakout season in 2016? He'll only be 25, so maybe THAT'S the year that it all comes together?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if we're going to make "valid" excuses for the past two years, I don't see why they all magically expire in 2015 .. .

Not saying Geno has to be lights out this year or he's gone. What I and I think the other Geno supporters or optimist are saying is he has to show us something not only GOOD but more importantly CONSISTENT. This should also get the team a playoff birth. If he can do that, it buys him another year (maybe more) and if he can't then its time to turn the page I would think.

 

[sg3]

May as well just delete my feelings

 

[Football51]

I get it

Alternative viewpoints are now baiting

OK

I don't want any trouble

God bless you Chan for recognizing the great talent of Geno Smith and calling off the competition you and Bowles and Maccagnan promised would apply to all positions

Except QB


Go Geno

Lead us to the promised land!!

GO JETS

No, but this is baiting



"Since it would be upsetting to interrupt this exultant meeting of the Geno fan club, all 3 or 4 of them atwitter with excitement"




then again, you already knew that.

 

[sg3]

No, but this is baiting



"Since it would be upsetting to interrupt this exultant meeting of the Geno fan club, all 3 or 4 of them atwitter with excitement"




then again, you already knew that.

No problem

Whatever you say.

 

[Bigmoe]

So I guess we can't participate in any Geno discussion unless we totally agree with supporters ?
That's not what this or any " forum " is about
Unless this is "A New World " Jets site

Go Rangers
Is that allowed?
Or do I have to go to the Hockey forum

 

[OCCH]

If my thinking in your theory is correct that Geno was 25% year one and moved up to 50% in year two then think of the where he can be in year three. Were not talking about where he will be in year three with the same team from last year with minimum improvement again this year. Rex Ryan and the rest of the coaches he had last year and Idzik as the GM. Were talking about this team he has this year, with Bowles and his gang coaching and Mac putting this team together as he has. So lets give him another 25% for instance, that will mean he is at 75% by the end of year three. I would say that is not bad and can definitely help lead us to a 10 win season at the least.

So in other words, if Geno has an extremely mediocre year, I should be happy because that's WAY better than he's ever had before?

Then I have to hope mediocre becomes decent, and decent becomes good, and good becomes Top 10, and Top 10 becomes elite?

Great -- I not only have to wait a decade for a franchise QB, but I have to bet against all prior NFL history to boot . . .

 

[Football51]

So I guess we can't participate in any Geno discussion unless we totally agree with supporters ?
That's not what this or any " forum " is about
Unless this is "A New World " Jets site

Go Rangers
Is that allowed?
Or do I have to go to the Hockey forum

Seriously???? if you can't tell the difference between insulting individual posters with snarky, wise ass, remarks and making points pro/con on a player​, then, yes, it's best not to say anything at all.

 

[Football51]

You can call Geno Smith or any other player whatever you choose. Once it goes beyond that, and you start mocking other posters, that's not allowed here.



This is where the zoo is located.


http://nyj.scout.com/forums?s=65

 

[Bigmoe]

You can call Geno Smith or any other player whatever you choose. Once it goes beyond that, and you start mocking other posters, that's not allowed here.



This is where the zoo is located.




http://nyj.scout.com/forums?s=65

Wow

I'll take that is towards me?.
Yea ,seriously
I see a trend
And guess what

 

[Elias]

Wow

I'll take that is towards me?.
Yea ,seriously
I see a trend
And guess what

Mo I don't think any of this was intended towards you and no one is asking everyone to be a Geno fan. It's obviously okay to not be a Geno fan.

But there are just some posts that are being made that rather than debate the topic are just saying Geno sucks, y'all crazy.

Go Rangers!

 

[jets82]

I was using the theory you stated of Geno only improving from playing at 25 percent his rookie year to 50 percent his second. Who's to say he will only develop or play another 25 percent better in year three? He may improve at a 35 percent rate which will take him to 85 percent. We can go back and forth with this but what for, its pointless. My point being is that in using your theory that Geno has only played at 25 percent year one to 50 percent in year two may very well be correct. Given the current teams he played for and coaching and management back then as opposed to what he has now, he may vastly improve or it may only be maginal. I guess we'll find out if he plays the full year. I would think Geno playing at 75 percent this year according to your theory wouldn't be so bad. It should be good enough to help them in the playoffs IMO.

 

[OCCH]

I was using the theory you stated of Geno only improving from playing at 25 percent his rookie year to 50 percent his second. Who's to say he will only develop or play another 25 percent better in year three? He may improve at a 35 percent rate which will take him to 85 percent. We can go back and forth with this but what for, its pointless. My point being is that in using your theory that Geno has only played at 25 percent year one to 50 percent in year two may very well be correct. Given the current teams he played for and coaching and management back then as opposed to what he has now, he may vastly improve or it may only be maginal. I guess we'll find out if he plays the full year. I would think Geno playing at 75 percent this year according to your theory wouldn't be so bad. It should be good enough to help them in the playoffs IMO.

First of all, you COMPLETELY missed the point of my original post (probably on purpose), which was to say Geno could easily "show improvement" but still be nowhere near where we need our QB to be.

Having said that, you seem to think the sky's the limit for the kid, so God bless you.

I guess it comes down to which category each fan puts himself:

Pessimist -- Geno is gonna stink up the joint
Optimist -- This is Geno's year to shine!
Realist -- Geno is what he is and there isn't much reason to expect much different until he gives us reason to

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

First of all, you COMPLETELY missed the point of my original post (probably on purpose), which was to say Geno could easily "show improvement" but still be nowhere near where we need our QB to be.

Having said that, you seem to think the sky's the limit for the kid, so God bless you.

I guess it comes down to which category each fan puts himself:

Pessimist -- Geno is gonna stink up the joint
Optimist -- This is Geno's year to shine!
Realist -- Geno is what he is and there isn't much reason to expect much different until he gives us reason to

Then paint me a realist under a slightly different definition: "Geno is what he is: a QB who should be better this season after two full years in the league, an OC who runs an offense that caters to his strengths, and a receiving corps that added Brandon Marshall".

This may not mean much to the pessimist, but it means something to me. The conditions for improvement are there. Now it's just a matter of Geno taking advantage of it.

I'm honestly 50/50 on it. I can see it going either way.

 

[jets82]

First of all, you COMPLETELY missed the point of my original post (probably on purpose), which was to say Geno could easily "show improvement" but still be nowhere near where we need our QB to be.

Having said that, you seem to think the sky's the limit for the kid, so God bless you.

I guess it comes down to which category each fan puts himself:

Pessimist -- Geno is gonna stink up the joint
Optimist -- This is Geno's year to shine!
Realist -- Geno is what he is and there isn't much reason to expect much different until he gives us reason to

First of all, I thought I understood your post and tried to prove a point by your theory. If I misunderstood it, it wasn't on purpose whether you believe it or not. You may call me whatever you want, I really don't give a @#&%! Whether its a Geno optimist, fan or whatever but overall he was chosen to start by the coaches of the Jets. None of us can change that. I just hope he makes good with it because it will benefit everyone. The team, him and us fans whether you or any Geno pessimist like it or not.

 

[jetfandreamer]

So in other words, if Geno has an extremely mediocre year, I should be happy because that's WAY better than he's ever had before?

Then I have to hope mediocre becomes decent, and decent becomes good, and good becomes Top 10, and Top 10 becomes elite?

Great -- I not only have to wait a decade for a franchise QB, but I have to bet against all prior NFL history to boot . . .

Simple question..with the QB on their roster....who do you want to QB??

 

[OCCH]

Then paint me a realist under a slightly different definition: "Geno is what he is: a QB who should be better this season after two full years in the league, an OC who runs an offense that caters to his strengths, and a receiving corps that added Brandon Marshall".

This may not mean much to the pessimist, but it means something to me. The conditions for improvement are there. Now it's just a matter of Geno taking advantage of it.

I'm honestly 50/50 on it. I can see it going either way.

I respect your opinion and somewhat understand it.

But will better receivers/coaching make Geno stop staring down receivers? Make him stop committing bone-headed plays at inopportune times? Make him step up in the face of adversity instead of crumble?

I sure hope so, but at some point he should have been able to help himself in these areas. There's only so much outside forces can help.

But again, I look forward to your optimism and will be rooting for the kid right beside you . . .

 

[OCCH]

First of all, I thought I understood your post and tried to prove a point by your theory. If I misunderstood it, it wasn't on purpose whether you believe it or not. You may call me whatever you want, I really don't give a @#&%! Whether its a Geno optimist, fan or whatever but overall he was chosen to start by the coaches of the Jets. None of us can change that. I just hope he makes good with it because it will benefit everyone. The team, him and us fans whether you or any Geno pessimist like it or not.

I assure you I was not trying to criticize you any further than disagreeing with your point of view.

You obviously take posts very personally and I will make sure not to respond in the future . . .

 

[OCCH]

Simple question..with the QB on their roster....who do you want to QB??

Simple answer -- THE BEST OPTION.

If that ends up being Geno, GREAT. But at this point Geno isn't even as good as Mark was after two years, so I'm not understanding the blind optimism so many seem to have. I'd MUCH rather wait for the kid to prove he's the best option, but the CS doesn't seem to agree, so it is what it is . . .

 

[NickSINYC]

JMO but I think no matter what is said in May Bowles and Gailey will start the QB who has shown them the most between now and the 1st reg season game.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Simple answer -- THE BEST OPTION.

If that ends up being Geno, GREAT. But at this point Geno isn't even as good as Mark was after two years, so I'm not understanding the blind optimism so many seem to have. I'd MUCH rather wait for the kid to prove he's the best option, but the CS doesn't seem to agree, so it is what it is . . .

At this point in time GENO is the best option