TOJ article - Geno

[mykcuz]

this is by far the biggest issue i have with smith supporters.. everything is always based on conjecture.. forget any & everything that was wrong with smith on & off the field.. forget all that stuff, this is a brand new day!! can smith play better with the current talent available?? it's possible.. but i could say the same for petty or hackenberg getting the job done in gailey's system with our offensive weapons too..

is it likely based on what we've heard about where they are in their development?? not in my eyes but what the hell, i'll take a page out of the smith supporters playbook.. who here or any other jet board can tell me with any certainty that either or both petty & hackenberg wouldn't play well this season.. why not?? both kids are big, pretty mobile, bright with big arms.. other 2nd & 1st year QBs have gotten the job done before..

what is not conjecture is fitzpatrick has been effective in gailey's system with last season's talent..

BTW, the talk about playing smith in his contract year to see if the light has turned on?? that's a nice chance to take when you aren't putting yourself in position to lose a high paying job at the top of your field if things turn out badly.. bowles & maccagnan don't have that luxury.....

You are right, the nfl is not friendly to experiments, you sign the guys you need for your team, and you play who you believe is the most likely to win.

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[mykcuz]

Tebow and manziel highlight risks that led to firings

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[Bronx]

All this won't matter if Fitz doesn't wake up. The Jets will give him his best offer, but If he waits too long he will get less money and possibly be a backup


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[Bronx]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...bowles-says-hold-ryan-fitzpatrick-job-forever .


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[Bronx]

Rumors about Fitz talking with the Pats this morning. Won't provide link because IMO , it's all garbage


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[jetgreen13]

Well wins and losses do matter otherwise I can just go with Geno and suck as opposed to being average with Fitz. I agree with your assessment of Geno but I just think Fitz was great last year because he had so many weapons and Geno has never had one weapon. I think those WR's made Fitz better not the other way around.


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perhaps.. marshall has made an inevitable HOF career out of making NFL QB's look good..

however, decker did play with manning before the wheels fell off & his numbers with fitzpatrick are comparable to those with manning..

 

[McJet]

The thought that if the Jets go into this season with Geno Smith as the starter because Fitzpatrick wouldn't sign his contract and if the Jets have a bad season Maccagnan and Bowles job is on the line is absurd to me.
Woody Johnson is privy to all things Maccagnan is doing. I believe they're all on the same page with the contract for Fitzpatrick. The Jets are not going to bid against themselves for the services of Fitzpatrick. It's either sign with the Jets or not play football this year.
If a starter goes down for another team and Fitzpatrick wants to sign for much less than 12 million for 2016, then maybe he failed finance at Harvard.
I'm sure the Jets would entertain a one year deal of around 6 to 7 million for 2016.
Lets face it, if Fitzpatrick digs in his heels, it's Geno or bust for 2016. With an outside shot of Petty, if he has an excellent training camp and can beat out Smith.

 

[ReallyBigfan]

I don't want to be an extremist, I think geno had better physical skills, but Fitz is smarter and more experienced. Can geno have a great statistical season?yes.

But the important factor to me, in my opinion, is that in the playoffs against elite defenses, they will own geno. I think Fitz has enough mental game ability to play cat and mouse with those defenses.

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If you read the TOJ article, then you should be aware that one of things that surprised him was that Geno was actually excellent at reading defenses and making the correct calls against them.

 

[mykcuz]

If you read the TOJ article, then you should be aware that one of things that surprised him was that Geno was actually excellent at reading defenses and making the correct calls against them.

Reads at the line are different than execution and decisions once ball is snapped.

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[BlindsideD'Brick]

The thought that if the Jets go into this season with Geno Smith as the starter because Fitzpatrick wouldn't sign his contract and if the Jets have a bad season Maccagnan and Bowles job is on the line is absurd to me.
Woody Johnson is privy to all things Maccagnan is doing. I believe they're all on the same page with the contract for Fitzpatrick. The Jets are not going to bid against themselves for the services of Fitzpatrick. It's either sign with the Jets or not play football this year.
If a starter goes down for another team and Fitzpatrick wants to sign for much less than 12 million for 2016, then maybe he failed finance at Harvard.
I'm sure the Jets would entertain a one year deal of around 6 to 7 million for 2016.
Lets face it, if Fitzpatrick digs in his heels, it's Geno or bust for 2016. With an outside shot of Petty, if he has an excellent training camp and can beat out Smith.

Agreed.

It appears that the Jets have their best offer on the table. They could sweeten the deal last minute, but I'm guessing Fitz is going to have to take it or leave it. The longer this plays out, the more I'm thinking the team is fine playing out this season with Geno. He was the starter before that dope IK broke his jaw. And despite some media reports to the contrary, some players have publicly stated their support for Geno. (Kembrell Thompkins being the latest, stating Geno "looks like night and day from last year"). Decker has also stated he's ready to roll with Geno.

That's not "conjecture". That's a fact.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Reads at the line are different than execution and decisions once ball is snapped.

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Yes it is and I'm not defending Geno one bit, but he played with some of the worst offensive playmakers in the history of the NFL. We have seen him play two seasons and in typical Jets fashion, the CS ruined or at the very least slowed any growth he can have. If I had my way Petty somehow shows in camp that he is ready. Won't happen, but I would rather sink or swim with Petty than Geno or overpaying Fitz.

 

[jetgreen13]

The thought that if the Jets go into this season with Geno Smith as the starter because Fitzpatrick wouldn't sign his contract and if the Jets have a bad season Maccagnan and Bowles job is on the line is absurd to me.
Woody Johnson is privy to all things Maccagnan is doing. I believe they're all on the same page with the contract for Fitzpatrick. The Jets are not going to bid against themselves for the services of Fitzpatrick. It's either sign with the Jets or not play football this year.
If a starter goes down for another team and Fitzpatrick wants to sign for much less than 12 million for 2016, then maybe he failed finance at Harvard.
I'm sure the Jets would entertain a one year deal of around 6 to 7 million for 2016.
Lets face it, if Fitzpatrick digs in his heels, it's Geno or bust for 2016. With an outside shot of Petty, if he has an excellent training camp and can beat out Smith.

fair point.. thing is, no one in this thread has brought that point up pro or con..

 

[Mainejet]

Wake me up when you can prove that the "He sucks and that's that" argument is proven wrong....

An article that tries to maintain objectivity? An article that actually acknowledges pros and cons of a player?

That's too much to process. It's easier to just use the "he sucks and that's that!" argument.

 

[Mainejet]

Pressure from the fans and the media would change all of that in an instance. Remember, WOODY WAS PRIVY TO EVERYTHING JOHN IDZIK WAS DOING, GET IT????

The thought that if the Jets go into this season with Geno Smith as the starter because Fitzpatrick wouldn't sign his contract and if the Jets have a bad season Maccagnan and Bowles job is on the line is absurd to me.
Woody Johnson is privy to all things Maccagnan is doing. I believe they're all on the same page with the contract for Fitzpatrick. The Jets are not going to bid against themselves for the services of Fitzpatrick. It's either sign with the Jets or not play football this year.
If a starter goes down for another team and Fitzpatrick wants to sign for much less than 12 million for 2016, then maybe he failed finance at Harvard.
I'm sure the Jets would entertain a one year deal of around 6 to 7 million for 2016.
Lets face it, if Fitzpatrick digs in his heels, it's Geno or bust for 2016. With an outside shot of Petty, if he has an excellent training camp and can beat out Smith.

 

[jetgreen13]

Pressure from the fans and the media would change all of that in an instance. Remember, WOODY WAS PRIVY TO EVERYTHING JOHN IDZIK WAS DOING, GET IT????

LOLz that's a fair point too..

 

[Bronx]

I truly believe that if Fitz doesn't get his butt in camp by August 11, Bowles will roll with Geno


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[Bronx]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...mith-as-the-new-york-jets-starting-qb-in-2016


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[McJet]

this is by far the biggest issue i have with smith supporters.. everything is always based on conjecture.. forget any & everything that was wrong with smith on & off the field.. forget all that stuff, this is a brand new day!! can smith play better with the current talent available?? it's possible.. but i could say the same for petty or hackenberg getting the job done in gailey's system with our offensive weapons too..

is it likely based on what we've heard about where they are in their development?? not in my eyes but what the hell, i'll take a page out of the smith supporters playbook.. who here or any other jet board can tell me with any certainty that either or both petty & hackenberg wouldn't play well this season.. why not?? both kids are big, pretty mobile, bright with big arms.. other 2nd & 1st year QBs have gotten the job done before..

what is not conjecture is fitzpatrick has been effective in gailey's system with last season's talent..

BTW, the talk about playing smith in his contract year to see if the light has turned on?? that's a nice chance to take when you aren't putting yourself in position to lose a high paying job at the top of your field if things turn out badly.. bowles & maccagnan don't have that luxury.....

jetgreen13,unless i'm misreading that last paragraph, is putting Macc's andBowles job on the line.

 

[jetgreen13]

jetgreen13,unless i'm misreading that last paragraph, is putting Macc's andBowles job on the line.

if bowles & maccagnan had chosen not to pursue fitzpatrick & handed smith back the job instead?? IMO, they would absolutely have put their job's on the line..

i've run into a small but loud pocket of jet fans online that believe that's what should have happened, BTW..

 

[McJet]

Pressure from the fans and the media would change all of that in an instance. Remember, WOODY WAS PRIVY TO EVERYTHING JOHN IDZIK WAS DOING, GET IT????

First off, what's with the caps??? do you think that makes you're point more convincing or that i need help reading smaller words?
Secondly, If the pressure from the media and the fans gets so intense that the Jets up their offer, then personally, i don't want Maccagnan as the GM. He has a conviction and he's sticking to it.That same conviction that got the Jets B. Marshall, R. Clady on a team friendly deal. Mo Wilkerson signed to a contract the Jets can work with. As far as i'm concerned, Maccagnan has performed very well as GM of the Jets. He has, IMO, upgraded every position group on the jets.
The pressure from fans and media wouldn't get intense until the Jets start losing games with Geno. I do not think that Fitzpatrick can sign with this team by week 3, 4 or 5 and be a savior. Not with this schedule the Jets have and you keep pointing out how difficult it is.