UPDATE: Plan if Fitzpatrick signs elsewhere? - Fitz and Jets are far apart on deal
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Can't see him going anywhere but if he does hopefully Petty is ready to go. Doesn't seem that is the case. So maybe we go with Kaepernick? He wants out of SF and probably still wants to come to the NYJ. Drafting another QB in the first through third rounds probably doesn't make much sense because there doesn't appear to be one worthy in that range. There maybe two top tier QBs in the draft and that's a BIG MAYBE. So giving Petty another year will probably be perfect, if he's not ready now. As for Kaepernick, if he can be revamped then how can we go wrong with that but question is, can he?
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. Fitzpatrick is one of only a few decent QB's available in FA. Unless you're in love with RG3, which is a big gamble based on his results the last few years. I believe there would be a handful of teams that would line up for Fitzpatrick. But I don't think it matters. The Jets would be stupid to move on from him after last year, and he's certainly capable of holding down the fort for 2 more years while the Jets develop Petty and bring in another mid round QB to stock the shelf.
Besides, why would Fitz want to pack up his clan and move AGAIN. He talked about how old that was getting. He's got stability with the Jets. And Chan Gailey. And two stud WR's. This is a stone cold lead pipe lock. He's staying.
i agree, i think he's going to want to stay as much as we need him for the coming year or two. given the circumstances i think this is by far the best place for him and i'm sure he realizes that too.
all points that he is comfortable here. as long as he gets compensated with a good number he will stay but there is that window of doubt if a team like Cleveland, even return to Houston, also 49ers throw money at him if the Jets try to undervalue his stock he could walk. It is highly unlikely. Like I keep saying the number is no less than 2 year deal for minimum of $15 million, front loaded $8 or $9 fully guaranteed. He deserves it, and keeps the door open for the Jets to let Petty take the job in the second year of that deal. Making the second year partially guaranteed unless Petty is not ready to take the reigns leave the option to guarantee it and add an additional bonus (incentive in the 2nd year).
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There are situations in which Fitz could leave, but I think they are in the "very unlikely" category.
If Macc lets Fitz sign elsewhere, the honeymoon will be over.
I hope he's renting
If Macc lets Fitz sign elsewhere, the honeymoon will be over.
I hope he's renting
It would have to be a team that was ready to win now (so CLE et al are out) but is missing a QB. A team that feels it can win but has an old and/or fragile starter (Dallas, etc.) might WANT him, but he's not going anywhere to be the backup. I don't think Houston would double dip, if it doesn't work out they'll look foolish, and they'll be run out of town. The only team that I can see there being an issue with is... Denver. If they can't get a deal done with Osweiler and don't have the tag because of Miller, Fitz could be a good fit there for a couple of 'win now' years, and that would have to be hard for him to pass up.
With Hasselback suddenly available, that definitely helps (though he's obviously OK going in as a backup, so has more teams that fit).
Think many of you are underestimating the market.
FitzMagic for 2 years/$22M
$12M in 2016 fully guaranteed - $6M signing bonus protects the cap long-term & still gives Fitz some protection of at least a $3M backup slot in 2017.
$10M with some incentives for post-season play and/or honors in 2017.
There are some issues with contracts shorter than 3 years because the CBA states signing bonus money must be pro-rated over no less than 3 years and no more than 5 years - but that might only apply to contracts for longer than 2 years.
HYATT™ hasn't checked and is too lazy to go do so right now.
FitzMagic for 2 years/$22M
$12M in 2016 fully guaranteed - $6M signing bonus protects the cap long-term & still gives Fitz some protection of at least a $3M backup slot in 2017.
$10M with some incentives for post-season play and/or honors in 2017.
There are some issues with contracts shorter than 3 years because the CBA states signing bonus money must be pro-rated over no less than 3 years and no more than 5 years - but that might only apply to contracts for longer than 2 years.
HYATT™ hasn't checked and is too lazy to go do so right now.
There are situations in which Fitz could leave, but I think they are in the "very unlikely" category.
If Macc lets Fitz sign elsewhere, the honeymoon will be over.
I hope he's renting
If Fitz is defining your career then it is time to move along.
Fitzpatrick would probably be starting in SF and Cleveland. And would definitely give a few other marginal starting QB's a decent competition for their jobs.
Throwing for almost 4,000 yards and 31 TD's is nothing to sniff at. He's been defined by the media, but his performance last season warrants a starting job somewhere.
I don't see how any Jets fan can honestly feel confident about next season minus Fitzpatrick. If you're hoping Petty takes a giant leap forward, you're taking a huge gamble. And wasting the small windows of players like Revis, Marshall, and Mangold.
Last year mac made a splash signing a bunch of one year deals. When you do that, you know you are going to have to redesign the next year. You can't rebuild a franchise and plan to win now. If you win now you sacrifice being in cap hell.
I think mac builds for the future while keeping enough talent to keep competitive. However, in this league, you go nowhere without a qb, and mac has to sign the best qb for the team then go from there. Fitz gets a3 year deal, first year guaranteed at 13,second year guaranteed 7 worth 14 if healthy, and 14 on year 3 with no guarantees. Essentially a1 year deal with a6 mil cap hit to cut him next year. Worth it if petty is starting for 600,000 next year, when nfl qbs average 18 million per year.
Sprinkle in a signing bonus and you're golden.
This offense dominated when our running game was on. I think mac brings in a real deal rb.
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The second to the last sentence of your first paragraph is where I disagree. I believe Maccagnan is trying to rebuild with younger players, while still putting out a respectable, competitive team. He took a chance on Marshall and Fitzpatrick, and it paid off more than he ever could've imagined. He seems to look for bargain veterans to fill voids, while using the draft to build the foundation. It worked pretty well last year.
Taking this approach requires a little luck, but it's better than tearing down the entire team and starting from ground zero, IMO. It's a tough sell to players and fans to say "yes, we'll suck for three years, but just you wait until 2019!!" You're almost guaranteed to get very little interest from good free agents under that scenario.
Then we agree. I didn't suggest he's tearing it down.
Fact of physics, you can't make something out of nothing. There are 2 completely different strategies. Either we use our assets to fill holes and compete this year, or we invest in future depth and cap flexibility. The third option is floating in mediocrity and hoping to get lucky.
But if we are concerned about wasting a window for Revis and Marshall, then we will max out the cap when we are already handcuffed financially. That means in 3 years we are going to be in a bad position.
I think mac didn't come here to win 10 games for 2 years, then be adrift. I would imagine his goal is to set us up to be good for the next 10 years. If that's the focus, then overachieving one season doesn't mean the focus changes, does it? The major moves must make us better long term, the wheeling and dealing is to make us better this year.
Mac is not the hot shot type, he's an architect type.
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Really what this all boils down to is, does Fitz want to get paid the big bucks or does he want to stick with a good thing? Stick with a team that PROBABLY (if everything goes right during the offseason) will make the playoffs? Does he want those things? Does he want to go to some place he's never been before? Does he want to possibly (albeit a very slim chance) get a ring before it is all said and done? These are the questions a 33 year old QB with a wife and kids needs to ask himself.
Personally, I do not believe, under any circumstances, that Fitz can win a SB.
With that said, he could be a member of the NYJ when they win? He could be our stopgap and Mac will continue to build weapons around him. Even if he gets benched in favor of someone like Bryce Petty or a new young stud QB prospect that Mac drafts, Fitz will have played a role in it. He could probably teach Bryce and whoever else how to get to the top of their game.
So there's the virtue in him staying in NY from an exclusive competitive standpoint. He can make a difference in NY. If he goes some place else for a few more dollars he'll need to find that chemistry that came so easily with Marshall and Decker all over again with new WR's, a new OC, more than likely a LESS talented defense backing him up.
So sure, he probably could get a little more money elsewhere, but is taking that money a WISE decision?
I think not. And hey, it's not like he's not going to get a big fat raise from the NYJ. He'll be a much wealthier man staying in NY than he was last season.
Personally, I do not believe, under any circumstances, that Fitz can win a SB.
With that said, he could be a member of the NYJ when they win? He could be our stopgap and Mac will continue to build weapons around him. Even if he gets benched in favor of someone like Bryce Petty or a new young stud QB prospect that Mac drafts, Fitz will have played a role in it. He could probably teach Bryce and whoever else how to get to the top of their game.
So there's the virtue in him staying in NY from an exclusive competitive standpoint. He can make a difference in NY. If he goes some place else for a few more dollars he'll need to find that chemistry that came so easily with Marshall and Decker all over again with new WR's, a new OC, more than likely a LESS talented defense backing him up.
So sure, he probably could get a little more money elsewhere, but is taking that money a WISE decision?
I think not. And hey, it's not like he's not going to get a big fat raise from the NYJ. He'll be a much wealthier man staying in NY than he was last season.
if team fitzpatrick is planning on using the bradford debacle of a contract as a legitimate measuring stick, we are in trouble..
does/should bradford's deal make fitzpatrick more expensive for the jets to re-sign?? of course it does.. that's just the nature of the beast.. but just like before, a realistic deal can be worked out that is fair for both sides..
let's hope denver doesn't come a knockin'.....
Good post, Mykcuz. I don't think we're that far off in opinion after all.
Cimini just posted a story about Bradford. He and Fitz have the same exact agent, so the idea is that the Bradford deal did not shock Fitz and insiders still put Fitz in the 8-10 mark. We may not like it, but that is what he's worth. The negotiation will be on front loading, back loading, and guaranteed amounts. I'll take it.
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