What will be the Jets 2016 record?

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Simple logic? Last season was a cupcake schedule. This year is a PLAYOFF schedule.

I agree. But either the schedule matters, or it doesn't. If the schedule matters, then it is understandable if the Jets take a step back in 2016, based on how tough their schedule is.

But if the schedule doesn't matter, then the team gets full credit for going 10-6 in 2015.

You can't have it both ways. You can't dismiss the 2015 record as weak because of the schedule, but then say the schedule is no excuse if the team goes 8-8 with a much tougher schedule.
 

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we like people that are hypocritical on here ...it makes for good copy LOL

Simple logic? Last season was a cupcake schedule. This year is a PLAYOFF schedule.[/QUOTE]


Simple Logic last year we did not make the playoffs with an easy Schedule this year we have a playoff schedule & make the playoffs :global (47):
 

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I cannot make a prediction until I at least know who our QB will be.
So no, I'm not ready for football , yet.
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I agree. But either the schedule matters, or it doesn't. If the schedule matters, then it is understandable if the Jets take a step back in 2016, based on how tough their schedule is.

But if the schedule doesn't matter, then the team gets full credit for going 10-6 in 2015.

You can't have it both ways. You can't dismiss the 2015 record as weak because of the schedule, but then say the schedule is no excuse if the team goes 8-8 with a much tougher schedule.

I wish I had an ounce of your patience . . .
 
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Does anybody even know WTH you're talking about? I certainly don't.
I agree. But either the schedule matters, or it doesn't. If the schedule matters, then it is understandable if the Jets take a step back in 2016, based on how tough their schedule is.

But if the schedule doesn't matter, then the team gets full credit for going 10-6 in 2015.

You can't have it both ways. You can't dismiss the 2015 record as weak because of the schedule, but then say the schedule is no excuse if the team goes 8-8 with a much tougher schedule.
 

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Does anybody even know WTH you're talking about? I certainly don't.

I'm not surprised you don't. Did you, or did you not, previously make a comment about "already making up excuses" when talking about the rough schedule this year, and the team taking a step back? And did you, or did you not, dismiss the team's record in 2015 as being soft because of the weak schedule?

I'll answer those questions for you. You did say both of those things. And that is hypocrisy on your part. So that is what the hell I am talking about. Want some evidence? Your comment about "already making up excuses" is on the first page of the "Mac - needs a TD tonight" thread. You made the comment on May 2, 2016, 9:56 AM. And in this very thread, you dismiss the team's 10-6 record last year, saying they were "NOT competitive" because they had a "cupcake schedule."

Now, we have already seen you respond negatively to having your own words used, so I expect some of the same. But as far as I'm concerned, your opinion is ridiculously hypocritical.
 
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SE you live in a fantasy world just like when you claimed the the Jets were a BETTER team than the Bills this season because they had a better record. Yet, the Bills beat the Jets handily TWICE this season. The only hypocrite is you....
I'm not surprised you don't. Did you, or did you not, previously make a comment about "already making up excuses" when talking about the rough schedule this year, and the team taking a step back? And did you, or did you not, dismiss the team's record in 2015 as being soft because of the weak schedule?

I'll answer those questions for you. You did say both of those things. And that is hypocrisy on your part. So that is what the hell I am talking about. Want some evidence? Your comment about "already making up excuses" is on the first page of the "Mac - needs a TD tonight" thread. You made the comment on May 2, 2016, 9:56 AM. And in this very thread, you dismiss the team's 10-6 record last year, saying they were "NOT competitive" because they had a "cupcake schedule."

Now, we have already seen you respond negatively to having your own words used, so I expect some of the same. But as far as I'm concerned, your opinion is ridiculously hypocritical.
 

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SE you live in a fantasy world just like when you claimed the the Jets were a BETTER team than the Bills this season because they had a better record. Yet, the Bills beat the Jets handily TWICE this season. The only hypocrite is you....

OK, so in your world, 8-8 is better than 10-6. And in your world, a weak schedule can be used to bash a good record, but a tough schedule cannot be used to explain a mediocre record.

I used your own words to make my point and you have no defense, so you go into attack mode, claiming I'm in some fantasy world. Well, from the looks of it, yours is the fantasy world.
 

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If/when Fitz comes back, 10-6

If smith is the starter 6-10

I agree, but i honestly feel Smith may be beaten out by Bryce Petty. Of course this is wishful thinking, but Geno has got to blow the doors out of the house to completely convince Management, the owner and the coach he should be the starter day one if Fitz doesn't sign (In which i feel he will eventually john Hancock it)

Over all i look at a couple of things while dissecting theJets schedule every year:

#1- The QB position. If Geno is leading the team, as much as i cannot stand him, if Bowles and Gailey trust him that he did what was necessary to gain the respect of his teammates, then i'am all in. Just keep in mind that his leash will be as short as ever in his pro career. If the Jets start off 1-3, Management will try to salvage the season by seeing what Petty has learned and will give him adequate playing time for the 2017 campaign. Throw in Hackenberg in the mix as well. Though the team overall can place them in a game management position as the organization had Mark in year one thus we can still have a successful season.

#2-The Offense: Make no mistake, we have a high octane offense. Two stud wide outs. RB's that can bruise you all game. Amaro that is 100% and will surprise people. Our O-Line is solid as Brian Winters solidified the RG position. The only issue i have is Breno's play. Though we will see how Brandon Shell develops quickly to supplant Giaccomini. Either way, this O-Line gave Ivory 1k and allowed Fitz to stay in the pocket and rip defenses apart.

#3-The Defense: Overall , we're damn good. Bowles stamped his mark on this club big time last season. Sure there were holes, but with the little money Mac had in the bank i feel with the acquistions of Bruce Carter (very under estimated pass rusher who can excel in this system), Mac Signing two DT's for the departure of Snacks in Jarvis Jenkins and Steve McClendon & the re-signing of Erin Henderson, who IMHO is a major upgrade over Demario Davis.
The big question is who plays opposite of Revis. Just me, but i feel very comfortable with Marcus Williams. He's a ball hawk.

#4-The Coaching staff: What have they tweaked since year one. My understanding of Coach Bowles is that he and Mac work close to the hip unlike Rex and Tanny, where Rex preferred the front pages in the off season. This coaching staff knows what kind of schedule we have on our hands and they want to prove to the NFL that last year's record wasn't because of the low level of difficulty.


After all of this, i just view our current squad as strong as we've ever been. We can compete against the best of them. The proof will absolutely be starting September of course. But i look at all of the players that have been signed and drafted and get the sense that we will have impact contributors. Especially from Darron Lee, Jordon Jenkins and 2nd year OLB Lorenzo Mauldin.

I can't see the Jets NOT making the playoffs. I honestly, with no doubt in my heart see them:

A: Winning the division

and

B: getting a first round bye

prediction:

12-4
 
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The Bills beat the Jets TWICE head to head. So in this case? YES, the Bills are the BETTER team. Better learn how to get over it. Because this seasons team has taken a step back from 2015. Like I posted already, 6 wins at best.
OK, so in your world, 8-8 is better than 10-6. And in your world, a weak schedule can be used to bash a good record, but a tough schedule cannot be used to explain a mediocre record.

I used your own words to make my point and you have no defense, so you go into attack mode, claiming I'm in some fantasy world. Well, from the looks of it, yours is the fantasy world.
 

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The Bills beat the Jets TWICE head to head. So in this case? YES, the Bills are the BETTER team. Better learn how to get over it. Because this seasons team has taken a step back from 2015. Like I posted already, 6 wins at best.

So the sample size of two games is greater than the sample size of 16 games. Bill Parcells knows nothing when he says you are what your record says you are.

I wonder what you would have said, back when your guy Rex was the Jets coach, to Bills fans who claimed they were better than the Jets if they beat the Jets twice, but the Jets had a better record.

It must be great living in a world where 8 is a higher number than 10.
 

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The Bills beat the Jets TWICE head to head. So in this case? YES, the Bills are the BETTER team. Better learn how to get over it. Because this seasons team has taken a step back from 2015. Like I posted already, 6 wins at best.

Of course, when you say 6 wins at best, if they go 9-7, you'll claim you really said 9 wins was their true ceiling.
 

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Average the most optimistic fan here with the most pessimistic, you get 9 wins. I'd settle for that. Maybe even make the WC if the wins are against the right teams.

The rest of the division also has a tough schedule so the number of wins only matters as compared to 3 teams. Is this the year the Pats finally go gently into that good night? I surely would like to see a home playoff game while still on God's grey earth.
 

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Average the most optimistic fan here with the most pessimistic, you get 9 wins. I'd settle for that. Maybe even make the WC if the wins are against the right teams.

The rest of the division also has a tough schedule so the number of wins only matters as compared to 3 teams. Is this the year the Pats finally go gently into that good night? I surely would like to see a home playoff game while still on God's grey earth.

I doubt that the Pats fade off into the sunset quite yet. It will take Brady falling off the cliff, which will happen much as it did with Peyton, but probably not this year. The team, though, has deferred so much money and put so much on the backs of winning one more ring with Brady that when he is done, they will be hurting for a bit until they tear it down and build anew.

I could conceivably see the Jets winning 9 games, but that won't win the division, and it probably won't win a wild card. And the thing is, they could take a step forward and still win fewer games.
 
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I agree, but i honestly feel Smith may be beaten out by Bryce Petty. Of course this is wishful thinking, but Geno has got to blow the doors out of the house to completely convince Management, the owner and the coach he should be the starter day one if Fitz doesn't sign (In which i feel he will eventually john Hancock it)

Over all i look at a couple of things while dissecting theJets schedule every year:

#1- The QB position. If Geno is leading the team, as much as i cannot stand him, if Bowles and Gailey trust him that he did what was necessary to gain the respect of his teammates, then i'am all in. Just keep in mind that his leash will be as short as ever in his pro career. If the Jets start off 1-3, Management will try to salvage the season by seeing what Petty has learned and will give him adequate playing time for the 2017 campaign. Throw in Hackenberg in the mix as well. Though the team overall can place them in a game management position as the organization had Mark in year one thus we can still have a successful season.

#2-The Offense: Make no mistake, we have a high octane offense. Two stud wide outs. RB's that can bruise you all game. Amaro that is 100% and will surprise people. Our O-Line is solid as Brian Winters solidified the RG position. The only issue i have is Breno's play. Though we will see how Brandon Shell develops quickly to supplant Giaccomini. Either way, this O-Line gave Ivory 1k and allowed Fitz to stay in the pocket and rip defenses apart.

#3-The Defense: Overall , we're damn good. Bowles stamped his mark on this club big time last season. Sure there were holes, but with the little money Mac had in the bank i feel with the acquistions of Bruce Carter (very under estimated pass rusher who can excel in this system), Mac Signing two DT's for the departure of Snacks in Jarvis Jenkins and Steve McClendon & the re-signing of Erin Henderson, who IMHO is a major upgrade over Demario Davis.
The big question is who plays opposite of Revis. Just me, but i feel very comfortable with Marcus Williams. He's a ball hawk.

#4-The Coaching staff: What have they tweaked since year one. My understanding of Coach Bowles is that he and Mac work close to the hip unlike Rex and Tanny, where Rex preferred the front pages in the off season. This coaching staff knows what kind of schedule we have on our hands and they want to prove to the NFL that last year's record wasn't because of the low level of difficulty.


After all of this, i just view our current squad as strong as we've ever been. We can compete against the best of them. The proof will absolutely be starting September of course. But i look at all of the players that have been signed and drafted and get the sense that we will have impact contributors. Especially from Darron Lee, Jordon Jenkins and 2nd year OLB Lorenzo Mauldin.

I can't see the Jets NOT making the playoffs. I honestly, with no doubt in my heart see them:

A: Winning the division

and

B: getting a first round bye

prediction:

12-4

Jets' Bryce Petty notices 'night-and-day' progress while playing Madden

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Bryce Petty is entering Year 2 with the Jets. (AP Photo | Seth Wenig)
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NORTH CALDWELL — Bryce Petty, the Jets' second-year quarterback, knows he has some critical practices coming up this spring and summer, as he tries to show the organization he is worth retaining.

And as he approaches those practices, Petty believes he is much more advanced than he was last year, when the Jets drafted him in the fourth round. One way Petty notices his significant progress — by playing the Madden video game.


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What we noticed about Christian Hackenberg, Darron Lee, and others, during the Jets' three-day rookie minicamp. 5/10/16 (Video by Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com)
Last year, he was a developmental quarterback facing a steep learning curve. Now, he understands the nuances of playing in the NFL much better, after he watched and learned last season, while not playing at all.

"For me, where I was when they drafted me last year to where I am now, it's night-and-day difference," Petty said Monday at Jets linebacker David Harris' charity golf event, which benefits the Give the Kids Hope Foundation. "For me, it's a process. Just watching film, I'm seeing things.

"I played Madden the other day, and it's not just picking run plays anymore. It's like, 'Oh, they've got an under front [on defense].' You start picking up things differently. That's exciting for me."

Yet the Jets just drafted Christian Hackenberg in Round 2. They could keep four quarterbacks on their active roster for 2016. General manager Mike Maccagnan hasn't ruled that out. But presuming the Jets re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, where would that leave Petty? Might he be the odd man out, since Geno Smith would give the Jets a game-tested backup behind Fitzpatrick?

"For me, I've got to go out and prove that they made the right choice the year before [by drafting me]," Petty said.

How much closer is he to being ready to play, as a potential understudy to Fitzpatrick, if the Jets decide to retain Petty over Smith?

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"If there's anybody I can emulate playing, mentally wise, it's Fitz," Petty said. "It was so awesome to be with him last year, just to see, cognitively, how he thinks about every play and how he goes in to prepare. The capacity for his mental side of the game to be that extreme, that's what I try to emulate."

(Smith declined to speak with reporters Monday at Harris' charity event.)

Petty is trying to not worry about what Hackenberg's selection means for him.

"For me, it's about worrying about what I've got to do, to make sure that I'm in the best chance to hopefully get on the field this year," he said. "That's what I want to do. That's what sucked last year [with not playing]. I know it's part of it, your redshirt year. Especially right now, it's my job to go prove. That rests solely on my shoulders. I'm ready to see the development from Year 1 to Year 2, not only in the film room, but actually hit the field and be able to see things."

Like other Jets players, Petty would like to have Fitzpatrick around the Jets' facility during offseason workouts. But Petty isn't begrudging Fitzpatrick for wanting more money than the Jets have been willing to give him. Petty, like his teammates, has spent some time recently video chatting with Fitzpatrick.

"We want to see him in the locker room, but we also understand it's a business," Petty said. "He's got to do the things to put food on the table for his family."
 

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I doubt that the Pats fade off into the sunset quite yet. It will take Brady falling off the cliff, which will happen much as it did with Peyton, but probably not this year. The team, though, has deferred so much money and put so much on the backs of winning one more ring with Brady that when he is done, they will be hurting for a bit until they tear it down and build anew.

I could conceivably see the Jets winning 9 games, but that won't win the division, and it probably won't win a wild card. And the thing is, they could take a step forward and still win fewer games.
i see your point & i also believe it has merit..

doesn't jive very well with parcells' mantra though, does it?? :)
 
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i see your point & i also believe it has merit..

doesn't jive very well with parcells' mantra though, does it?? :)

Definitely not! And that is why it is a bit of a difficult task assessing a team based on anything but record, which is why I try to stick with the quantitative evidence, W-L, as much as possible.

It's a flawed measurable, but better than anything else. Head-to-head tells us how a team does against one other team, and ignores either 14 or 15 other weeks of the season. Playoff berths do not take into account teams that get in based on weaker divisions, like some teams missing out with 10 or 11 wins, and others making it in with 8 or 9.

There is no exact science...which is why we all get to act like we know more than we really do on boards and communities like JFU.
 
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Everyone is forgetting Todd Bowles is not a chump like rexy was he alone may win us a game or two.
 
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