When will Geno Smith be cut?

[jetgreen13]

Then this brings up an interesting scenario. If Petty is ready to play sooner rather than later, if the Jets sign Fitz to let's say a 2 yr deal worth 8-10 MM per/year, does Fitz then become a "progress blocker"? If the Jets sign Fitz to that kind of contract, he's going to start. Which means the kid will get no reps under fire for 2 more years. At some point, if the Jets brass thinks Petty is the answer, they're going to have to play him and let him learn in game conditions.

that would be an interesting dilemma to have..

bowles & fitzpatrick are on record saying they want to keep the band together..

it's mac's job to make fitzpatrick offer cap friendly especially if petty has shows he's ready to take over the job year 3..

plus, petty's on a 4th round rookie contract, so that takes away most of the financial sting of paying fitzpatrick, no??

 

[lounap23]

that would be an interesting dilemma to have..

bowles & fitzpatrick are on record saying they want to keep the band together..

it's mac's job to make fitzpatrick offer cap friendly especially if petty has shows he's ready to take over the job year 3..

plus, petty's on a 4th round rookie contract, so that takes away most of the financial sting of paying fitzpatrick, no??

absolutely takes the financial sting away.....

Fitz is the starter if he falters or is injured the CS gets to see what they have in Petty... where his progress on the practice field either shows or doesn't on game day.... It's the ideal situation to have.... along with drafting another young guy..... ALA RGIII and Cousins or Steve Walsh and Troy Aikman..... I am with everyone on this board and whatever GM's philosophy is " you take a qb every year no matter what..."

 

[flgreen]

that would be an interesting dilemma to have..

bowles & fitzpatrick are on record saying they want to keep the band together..

it's mac's job to make fitzpatrick offer cap friendly especially if petty has shows he's ready to take over the job year 3..

plus, petty's on a 4th round rookie contract, so that takes away most of the financial sting of paying fitzpatrick, no??

All good points

I don't think Fitz is going to cause problems being greedy on his contract. Few reason why.

Fitz is going into his 12th season, and never been to the play offs, he likes playing for the Jets. Has had his most success here, with an OC who has gotten good results with him before.

He has already had his big pay day with the Bills. $60,000,000 contract that he collected over 40 on. He is a Harvard grad, and an economics major. I doubt his "posse" has pissed his money away. Unless you consider his wife and 5 kids his posse. That 40 million is more then likely in the area of $100,000,000 in investments now.

He said he doesn't want to keep moving his kids from school to school, they are in NJ schools right now. To a guy like Fitz I think that matters a lot.

You can see he loves football, he has said just recently that he had more fun playing football this year then ever before.

I fell almost positive Fitz will be back with a fair contract for both sides. I don't think he wants to break the bank, but he'll want some guaranteed money.

 

[Mainejet]

Then this brings up an interesting scenario. If Petty is ready to play sooner rather than later, if the Jets sign Fitz to let's say a 2 yr deal worth 8-10 MM per/year, does Fitz then become a "progress blocker"? If the Jets sign Fitz to that kind of contract, he's going to start. Which means the kid will get no reps under fire for 2 more years. At some point, if the Jets brass thinks Petty is the answer, they're going to have to play him and let him learn in game conditions.

It's an irrelevant thought.

1) The Jets are currently not in that situation and probably haven't ever been in their history.

2) A GOOD HC knows how to use that dynamic to the teams advantage meanwhile always playing the guy that gives the team the best chance at winning. Not exactly confident Todd Bowles is that guy but time will tell.

3) Money, SHmoney. Like I said already, a GOOD HC doesn't give a sh*t about contracts, he cares about winning and whether the guy makes $5 an hour or he makes 10 million a year, the BEST guy plays.

 

[HYATT™]

HEY!
Knock it off, you two. :global (14):

Back ON TOPIC....
Inactive and injured players are on the sidelines all the time, in streets.
They just can't be dressed.

As for Geno, his time in NJ is done.
Fitz will re-sign, somewhere in the $10M/year range on a 3 year deal, with the back end easily escapable by the Jets. (Smaller signing bonus and larger yearly paychecks, with the 1st year guaranteed.)

Petty will be the #2 for the time being, but this draft AND the next present the Jets with a hard choice at the position.
They know they need that franchise QB of the future and there are a couple in the 2016 draft.
What is rather unknown is whether there will be any in the 2017 draft and if the Jets are a good as billed, will they even get a shot at a decent franchise QB in 2017, picking as a playoff team?

This brings up the current needs of teams, at the position.

IMMEDIATE NEED
#2 CLE
#4 DAL
#7 SFO
#13 PHI
#22 HOU

NEAR-FUTURE NEED
#3 SDC
#11 CHI
#12 NOS
#15 StL
#20 NJJ
#25 PIT

As anyone with 1 functioning eyeball can see, the Jets are not in an ideal position to select the best QB in the 2016 draft.
Even if nobody believes any of the QBs in 2016 are worthy of a 1st round pick, several WILL be taken there anyway, just because of the nature of the position in the NFL.

Here's your list of candidates (not necessarily in scouting ranked order, but in HYATT™'s ranked order):

Connor Cook - Michigan St. 6'-4" | 220#
Carson Wentz - North Dakota St. 6'-5" | 231#
"Paxton Lynch - Memphis 6'-6" | 230#
*Jared Goff - California 6'-4" | 210#
Nate Sudfeld - Indiana 6'-6" | 240#
Kevin Hogan - Stanford 6'-4" | 218#
Jake Coker - Alabama 6'-5" | 232#
Dak Prescott - Mississippi St. 6'-2" | 230#
*Christian Hackenberg - Penn St. 6'-4" | 236#
*Cardale Jones - Ohio St. 6'-5" | 250#
(* = underclassmen, class of 2017.)

The luster has come off preseason favorites Cardale Jones and Xtian Hackenberg, over the past college season.
Well, DUH! - HYATT™ predicted that was going to happen LAST YEAR, when they were laser-sliced bread talk on ALL the draft boards.
Ditto with Hogan, who remains a rock-steady journeyman QB but who will never BE that "ROCK-STAR" QB in the NFL.
If a team wants a very steady anchor at QB and is willing to load up their defense and skill positions, Hogan certainly has the tools to be a seriously good game manager, ala Alex Smith, in this league.
Think Andrew Luck without all the Andrew Luck hype - as to be expected, since they both came out of the same system at Stanford.

A word about underclassmen leaving school early to jump to the NFL.
HYATT™ is not a big booster of college Juniors foregoing their extra year of apprenticeship at the college level.
Today's NFL game requires a QB to hit the ground both running and passing, but more importantly, it requires them to hit the NFL with their heads squarely on their shoulders, (see Jameis Winston's predraft controversy), before pass rushers try to knock it back off again.
(Thus, a partial explanation of the lowered HYATT™ rankings on Jones and Hackenberg.)
Underclass QBs need time to develop in the NFL, if they are going to be dumb enough to jump early and leave that safe harbor of learning they had in college, so any team drafting one really shouldn't spend a Rd 1 pick on them, nor should they expect them to see service until at least their late 2nd-early 3rd season in the league.
Look no further than the advance recommendation leader of HYATT™'s 2017 QB class.

Keep an eye on Mississippi's *Chad Kelly for 2017. (6'-2" | 215# | 4.58s wheels)
He's already committed to returning to Oxford for the 2016 NCAA season but he IS, after all, QB Jim Kelly's nephew and played like it with the Ol' Miss Rebels this year. (10-3) 4,042 yards, 31 TDs, 13 INTs & a win over OK St. in the Sugar Bowl.
Unlike typical QBs, who are slower than molasses in January, Kelly not only has wheels, but an aggressive attitude under center, taking 10 balls in for TDs personally - the most rushing TDs by an Ol' Miss QB since Archie Manning ran 14 in all the way back in 1969.
Kelly is a bit small for NFL duty at this point but he still has time to pack on extra muscle before his name comes up a little over a year from now.

Granted he's displayed a little bad behavior off the field, but HYATT™ chalks that up to spoiled rich brat QB syndrome and hopefully he's grown out of it after being booted out of Clemson, doing a year of JUCO, and ending up at Ol' Miss.

 

[Parcells123]

I'm not sure the Jets know what they will do with Geno Smith. He has another year at 1.2 MM which is very affordable for a backup with starting experience. Just because many Jets fans dislike him and his play, it doesn't mean the Jets should just jettison an asset. My gut says they try to trade him for a later round pick to make up for the Marshall and Fitz trades. But this is all dependent on if the CS sees Petty as a legit #2.

It also is dependent on the ability of the Jets to resign Fitz at a price that makes sense.

 

[Elias]

I'm not sure the Jets know what they will do with Geno Smith. He has another year at 1.2 MM which is very affordable for a backup with starting experience. Just because many Jets fans dislike him and his play, it doesn't mean the Jets should just jettison an asset. My gut says they try to trade him for a later round pick to make up for the Marshall and Fitz trades. But this is all dependent on if the CS sees Petty as a legit #2.

It also is dependent on the ability of the Jets to resign Fitz at a price that makes sense.

Agreed. There's no need for us to cut him. He's not a cancer. Hasn't caused any trouble in the locker room. Why cut him? Most backups in this league stink, I would think he's one of the better ones out there. He's also young and could use his time on the bench to take in the game and possibly get better. Look at Fitzpatrick, he finally clicked after all these years.

 

[flgreen]

I'm not sure the Jets know what they will do with Geno Smith. He has another year at 1.2 MM which is very affordable for a backup with starting experience. Just because many Jets fans dislike him and his play, it doesn't mean the Jets should just jettison an asset. My gut says they try to trade him for a later round pick to make up for the Marshall and Fitz trades. But this is all dependent on if the CS sees Petty as a legit #2.

It also is dependent on the ability of the Jets to resign Fitz at a price that makes sense.

Think your gut is right. They will try to move him for a late round pick. Think in very short order smith's agent will be requesting a trade. Question is, does he have any value?

There is a scenario which he could be on the team next year, but I sure hope not.

 

[jetgreen13]

Think your gut is right. They will try to move him for a late round pick. Think in very short order smith's agent will be requesting a trade. Question is, does he have any value?

There is a scenario which he could be on the team next year, but I sure hope not.

is that scenario the jets not drafting a QB, say somewhere in the 3rd or 4th or maybe higher??

or the jets still won't be comfortable starting the season with petty as the backup??

 

[flgreen]

is that scenario the jets not drafting a QB, say somewhere in the 3rd or 4th or maybe higher??

or the jets still won't be comfortable starting the season with petty as the backup??

All of the above. Truth is the smith people are correct. From a football standpoint, and a cap standpoint, it probably makes sense to keep smith on the team I don't think they will.

I think a huge statement was made when Fitz was rushed back from surgery, so smith wouldn't have to play.

After Bowles public statement that "Fitz will be the starter next year". smith doesn't want to be back here. There's a genuine question if he could beat out the kid THIS REGIME drafted in the 4th round of this years draft.

If nobody offers anything for him, he might be back. :global (37):

 

[LGM]

The faster they send that bust packing the better for the Jets.

There are plenty of better JAGS out there to replace him

Keeping him around for one extra millesecond justs takes coaching, training, practice and development time away from another young Jet player or prospect who actually deserves it

 

[jetgreen13]

All of the above. Truth is the smith people are correct. From a football standpoint, and a cap standpoint, it probably makes sense to keep smith on the team I don't think they will.

I think a huge statement was made when Fitz was rushed back from surgery, so smith wouldn't have to play.

After Bowles public statement that "Fitz will be the starter next year". smith doesn't want to be back here. There's a genuine question if he could beat out the kid THIS REGIME drafted in the 4th round of this years draft.

If nobody offers anything for him, he might be back. :global (37):

LOLz at that smiley!!

the only way i can see smith on the opening day roster is if petty is an absolute disaster leading into & in pre season..

because if he isn't he'll be the backup next season..

that said, can you imagine how smith would take to being the 3rd string QB?? you know, the guy in street clothes game day??

LOLz that brings me back to your smiley.. i'm guessing bowles & mac would have the same expression at the thought of that..

 

[NewMFS62]

When?
Not soon enough.

Later

 

[Mainejet]

If the Jets draft a QB this year... Smith is gone.... All the talk about Petty needing 2yrs to learn the system and he never read a defense etc etc etc.....

Here is what I know....

1 - Geno breaks his jaw - Fitz has a creer year.... Fitz gets signes
2 - Geno wasn't ready to play till week 3 or 4 - Jets sign several veteran guys ( Flynn and Johnson ) to back up Fitz till Gen gets back
3 - Said Veterans are cut and for the first 3 weeks of the season Petty is the backup


What's my point? Mac, Bowles and Gailey were confident in Petty to be the backup as a rookie at the beginning of the season...

To me that means Petty will be the backup next year and get better reps without Geno there to continue improving. Cutting Geno does save us a million bucks which we don't have to woryy about finding a guy to be the backup. That'll be Petty and whoever we draft will be the #3 guy...

I'm not so sure about that. You may be right. But I think the move of making Petty the 2nd string was more out of necessity than anything else.

 

[Mainejet]

Agreed. There's no need for us to cut him. He's not a cancer. Hasn't caused any trouble in the locker room. Why cut him? Most backups in this league stink, I would think he's one of the better ones out there. He's also young and could use his time on the bench to take in the game and possibly get better. Look at Fitzpatrick, he finally clicked after all these years.

The guy gets into an altercation with a teammate and ends up getting his jaw broken creating an extremely embarrassing scene for the NYJ. Even more embarrassing is that the whole thing started over $600, which is chump change for Geno Smith to pay. Todd Bowles now has to figure what to do at QB going into his inaugural season. And yet he's NOT a locker room cancer?!

Elias, if this guy is not a cancer then please describe to me what a locker room cancer is? Apparently I must not know.

 

[Mainejet]

All of the above. Truth is the smith people are correct. From a football standpoint, and a cap standpoint, it probably makes sense to keep smith on the team I don't think they will.

I think a huge statement was made when Fitz was rushed back from surgery, so smith wouldn't have to play.

After Bowles public statement that "Fitz will be the starter next year". smith doesn't want to be back here. There's a genuine question if he could beat out the kid THIS REGIME drafted in the 4th round of this years draft.

If nobody offers anything for him, he might be back. :global (37):

I agree and better yet I think it is even more telling about the QB situation that despite Fitz just having torn ligaments in his thumb, they still went with Fitz and did not trust Geno to make a start.

 

[flgreen]

LOLz at that smiley!!

the only way i can see smith on the opening day roster is if petty is an absolute disaster leading into & in pre season..

because if he isn't he'll be the backup next season..

that said, can you imagine how smith would take to being the 3rd string QB?? you know, the guy in street clothes game day??

LOLz that brings me back to your smiley.. i'm guessing bowles & mac would have the same expression at the thought of that..

A lot of fans are going to interpret it that way if smith is the back up next year, there will be 1,000's of posts about it. I don't think it is necessarily true. The CS (hopefully Gailey) if smith has 0 value on the open market , may decide that it is in Petty's best interest to observe next season. smith is in the final year of his contract and can just be discarded in 17.

If they believe that Petty's the future, they won't want to make a mistake with him, and jeopardize his future.

I actually think the reverse is true. If smith is jettisoned, it means that not only do they think smith is not the future, but they just don't want him breathing the same air as the other players. Which is what I'm hoping for.

But think of all the fun it would be if Petty beats him out for the back up, and smith is on the side lines making scary faces at the camera in a tee shirt and jeans.

 

[Mugatu]

The guy gets into an altercation with a teammate and ends up getting his jaw broken creating an extremely embarrassing scene for the NYJ. Even more embarrassing is that the whole thing started over $600, which is chump change for Geno Smith to pay. Todd Bowles now has to figure what to do at QB going into his inaugural season. And yet he's NOT a locker room cancer?!

Elias, if this guy is not a cancer then please describe to me what a locker room cancer is? Apparently I must not know.

I tend to agree with this.... He's not a leader. He makes poor decisions and although he didn't cause trouble outside of the $600 broken jaw incident, he is truly a clueless moron.

I used to think he was a cheap option and might be worth keeping for next year, but the more I think about it.... The more I think it's a bad idea. Pull off the band aid and dump him. Draft a QB and let Petty be a backup next season.

There is no reason to keep him around

 

[Mainejet]

I tend to agree with this.... He's not a leader. He makes poor decisions and although he didn't cause trouble outside of the $600 broken jaw incident, he is truly a clueless moron.

I used to think he was a cheap option and might be worth keeping for next year, but the more I think about it.... The more I think it's a bad idea. Pull off the band aid and dump him. Draft a QB and let Petty be a backup next season.

There is no reason to keep him around

+1

 

[Elias]

The guy gets into an altercation with a teammate and ends up getting his jaw broken creating an extremely embarrassing scene for the NYJ. Even more embarrassing is that the whole thing started over $600, which is chump change for Geno Smith to pay. Todd Bowles now has to figure what to do at QB going into his inaugural season. And yet he's NOT a locker room cancer?!

Elias, if this guy is not a cancer then please describe to me what a locker room cancer is? Apparently I must not know.

Fair enough. Geno's main problem is that he couldn't get the locker room to respect him. That happens when you play so awful for two years. Regarding the IK situation, who knows what really happened. All we have is hearsay accounts from reporters. Everyone is putting the blame on Geno and it could very well be but maybe IK was crossing the line.

Regardless, all that matters is his performance on the field. If the team thinks he could bring value, he will stay. Having said that, if Petty shows improvement Geno is gone