Yes Hind-sight is 20-20 and Kevin White is hurt the whole year but!

[jets82]

Not questioning Mac and Bowles thought process here because all the moves they've made this here were great but I was never a supporter of our #1 draft pick. Does anyone now think the Jets should have drafted White instead of Williams? Here me out Jets faithful! I'm not saying Williams is doing anything wrong or not worth the pick and yes, we can always use another defender. Also, YES White is hurt for the entire year so this is pretty much a mute point but our offense is/has been hurting these past two games. No reason to think that will change much throughout the season (although I will admit, it very well can.)

With White, we would have had another premiere WR to go with Marshall and Decker. Would have made a hell of a difference for Fitz to throw the ball to over the past three or TWO games REALLY and this season period. Especially today with Decker being hurt. I'm not saying D. Smith wasn't worth the 2nd round pick either but I think all can agree he ain't no Kevin White. Yes it safe to assume White would have gotten hurt anyway as he did with Chicago but maybe he wouldn't have. None of us know or can say that! I don't know how he got hurt I must admit but maybe Chicago had White doing his drills incorrectly or during the man-on-man practice drills they were going to hard.

I'm just reaching here Jets faithful I will admit but you gotta be honest and admit, our offense is struggling this season. Yes we looked good week one but the running game was ballin and that made it that much easier for the passing game to get something done. Plus the 5 TOs and sacks against Johnny Football didn't hurt any. Last week our offense struggled bad as we should beaten the Colts by 20 at least. This week it showed even more without Decker and Ivory. So I'll ask once again, does anyone think the Jets should have drafted White instead of Williams with the way our offense is struggling?

Note: I think this will be a topic we will be discussing all year long. Whether we go 11-5 and get to the second round of the playoffs, 10-6 and lose in the first round of the playoffs or go 8-8 and don't make the playoffs period.

 

[OCCH]

Not questioning Mac and Bowles thought process here because all the moves they've made this here were great but I was never a supporter of our #1 draft pick. Does anyone now think the Jets should have drafted White instead of Williams? Here me out Jets faithful! I'm not saying Williams is doing anything wrong or not worth the pick and yes, we can always use another defender. Also, YES White is hurt for the entire year so this is pretty much a mute point but our offense is/has been hurting these past two games. No reason to think that will change much throughout the season (although I will admit, it very well can.)

With White, we would have had another premiere WR to go with Marshall and Decker. Would have made a hell of a difference for Fitz to throw the ball to over the past three or TWO games REALLY and this season period. Especially today with Decker being hurt. I'm not saying D. Smith wasn't worth the 2nd round pick either but I think all can agree he ain't no Kevin White. Yes it safe to assume White would have gotten hurt anyway as he did with Chicago but maybe he wouldn't have. None of us know or can say that! I don't know how he got hurt I must admit but maybe Chicago had White doing his drills incorrectly or during the man-on-man practice drills they were going to hard.

I'm just reaching here Jets faithful I will admit but you gotta be honest and admit, our offense is struggling this season. Yes we looked good week one but the running game was ballin and that made it that much easier for the passing game to get something done. Plus the 5 TOs and sacks against Johnny Football didn't hurt any. Last week our offense struggled bad as we should beaten the Colts by 20 at least. This week it showed even more without Decker and Ivory. So I'll ask once again, does anyone think the Jets should have drafted White instead of Williams with the way our offense is struggling?

Note: I think this will be a topic we will be discussing all year long. Whether we go 11-5 and get to the second round of the playoffs, 10-6 and lose in the first round of the playoffs or go 8-8 and don't make the playoffs period.

Couldn't disagree more. This is a COMPLETELY different game if we have Decker, Ivory and Owusu (not to mention Sheldon). We also have to give D. Smith time to find his rhythm (I doubt we would have drafted him if we took White).

I'm VERY happy we took Williams, regardless of how White turns out. This offense is a QB away from relevance, not another WR . . .

 

[jets82]

Couldn't disagree more. This is a COMPLETELY different game if we have Decker, Ivory and Owusu (not to mention Sheldon). We also have to give D. Smith time to find his rhythm (I doubt we would have drafted him if we took White).

I'm VERY happy we took Williams, regardless of how White turns out. This offense is a QB away from relevance, not another WR . . .

I know they wouldn't have drafted Smith if they drafted White. There wouldn't have been any need to. Yes I also do realize Smith has to get his feet wet and like I said in the initial post, the offense can get it together but will they? We can hold off on this and address it 5 weeks from now and then another 5 weeks after that and see then. I'm not killing the Jets moves this past off-season, I loved them as most did.

I just think the #1 draft pick wasn't the right one because of need and we'll see if that was correct or not as the season goes on. We don't have a franchise QB that can make it happen with any player that's on the field. We have QBs that need the players to carry them. Whether you or anyone else wants to face it or not, Fitz maybe the best QB we have on the roster but he needs players to carry him, he can't carry the players.

Note: This isn't a Fitz or any other Jets QB bashing thread. This isn't even a Mac and Bowles bashing thread. I loved their moves this off season and love Bowles coaching style. Just curious on the pulse of this topic with the Jets faithful.

 

[HYATT™]

Don't even question it.
Bowles and Co. made the right choice & the longer both players go on in the NFL, the clearer that will become.

 

[mykcuz]

This team is still gelling, you don't know what you have to week 6. You are being rash. If we drafted white and he had 5 drops today you'd be posting how we could have had the to player in the draft.
Revis was playing hurt, we missed ivory big time. Having decker healthy would have changed this game.
Sheldon Richardson is really going to galvanize this defense when he returns.
We must win next week, that would leave us 3-1 after week 4.that's all you can hope for as a fan. And that would make us a12 win team. Just go 3-1 every 4 games.

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[Bronx]

So we KNOW the jets should've taken a guy who hasn't played an NFL down. Oh brother

 

[jets82]

This team is still gelling, you don't know what you have to week 6. You are being rash. If we drafted white and he had 5 drops today you'd be posting how we could have had the to player in the draft.
Revis was playing hurt, we missed ivory big time. Having decker healthy would have changed this game.
Sheldon Richardson is really going to galvanize this defense when he returns.
We must win next week, that would leave us 3-1 after week 4.that's all you can hope for as a fan. And that would make us a12 win team. Just go 3-1 every 4 games.

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Sounds good and thanks for talking me off the ledge. Although I never was really on it in the first place. I was thinking after watching the team over the past two weeks, having another primetime WR would have surely helped Fitz or any Jets QB and this offense. I believe and obviously its just me that if we drafted White and he wasn't hurt "LETS SAY", he would have helped alot more then Williams would have.

Our D was straight with all the free agency moves they made in the secondary and they never needed help on the d-line IMHO. Listen I get it, FA is for need and the draft is for luxury or best player available. Jets had the luxury of drafting the best player available and that should always be the modo in the draft anyway. Unless you have that glaring of a need for a position player and there is a blue-chip player staring you dead in the face waiting for you to draft them.

So Williams was the luxury pick, best player available and the trade for Marshall, plus knowing they would draft a WR on the second round filled their WR need I guess. Here's the thing, White was that blue-chip player that was staring them in the face also. Guess time will tell by the end of the year and 3, 6 and 10 years down the road if they made the right move.

 

[jets82]

So we KNOW the jets should've taken a guy who hasn't played an NFL down. Oh brother

Just curious on everyone's thoughts. I'm not saying what the Jets should or shouldn't have done. I'm just voicing my opinion and wanted to hear everyone else's. Who wanting to answer it rationally.

 

[jets82]

Don't even question it.
Bowles and Co. made the right choice & the longer both players go on in the NFL, the clearer that will become.

10-4, lol

 

[Bronx]

How do you know that he is a premier WR? How do you know anything about him?


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[jets82]

Adding comments, I said all off-season both before and after the draft, the Jets needs were LB, WR, QB or o-line. In whatever order you wanted to prioritize them. You can look it up and verify it if you like. My thought process at the time was give Geno better weapons and he can be good to very good QB. So QB was last on my list. Now after this jaw break gate, Geno is pretty much dead to me and he shouldn't even be a Jet IMO.

I thought either WR or LB should be the top two choices. When Fowler Jr and Cooper was drafted back to back, that left o-line and White. When the Skins drafted the top o-linemen, White was staring us right in the face and it crushed me when they didn't draft him. Yeah my opinion means nothing to the Jets but neither does anyone else's that's not a coach or manager or owner. Let me get off my soapbox and just let the chips fall where they may. J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets

 

[Mainejet]

The RIGHT approach to the draft is to always take the BPA. When the Jets picked at 6, they had the best player in the draft, no less, staring them right in the face. You always take the BPA no matter where you are in the draft. Unless you can trade down, which is what MacCagnan tried to do, you always take the BPA. that's the discipline. You never draft for need. MacCagnan drafted the BPA and I couldn't be happier with the pick. I think it was a great pick.

The Jets have very good wide receivers and Kevin White would have certainly helped, but he wasn't the BPA. Leonard Williams was.

You're stuck thinking that better depth WR would have prevented the Jets from losing today. But you need to remember that Devin Smith played in this game and he couldn't get open. He got pushed all over the field. He needs to be coached up, but he will help this team as time goes on.

 

[jets82]

How do you know that he is a premier WR? How do you know anything about him?


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The same way I know A. Cooper or L. Williams or D. Fowler Jr or J. Winston or M. Mariota or the Iowa o-lineman were primetime players. By watching them play, listening to the pundits speak on them, looking at their highlights, watching the combine, watching their private school workouts and reading up on them. Didn't you?

 

[jets82]

The RIGHT approach to the draft is to always take the BPA. When the Jets picked at 6, they had the best player in the draft, no less, staring them right in the face. You always take the BPA no matter where you are in the draft. Unless you can trade down, which is what MacCagnan tried to do, you always take the BPA. that's the discipline. You never draft for need. MacCagnan drafted the BPA and I couldn't be happier with the pick. I think it was a great pick.

The Jets have very good wide receivers and Kevin White would have certainly helped, but he wasn't the BPA. Leonard Williams was.

You're stuck thinking that better depth WR would have prevented the Jets from losing today. But you need to remember that Devin Smith played in this game and he couldn't get open. He got pushed all over the field. He needs to be coached up, but he will help this team as time goes on.

Can't argue anything your saying, truly can't. Although I will ask you this let's just say White was healthy and the Jets drafted him, you don't think he would have helped more then Williams at DE? Or Smith or Kerley or any other WR we have other Decker or Marshall? I believe and maybe its just me but I believe White has superstar written all over him. I'm talking A. Cooper, Beckham Jr, D. Bryant, etc-etc type talent. If I'm right the Jets could have certainly used that today, last week, week 1, next week, the week after and on and on.

 

[jetgreen13]

[MENTION=212]jets82[/MENTION] initially i believed white was the right pick, or at least the one i wanted.. but not being a college football guy i got caught up in the idea of drafting a flashy skill position player.. but after reading & listening to anything i could find about williams i'm quite comfortable we made the right pick..

 

[jets82]

[MENTION=212]jets82[/MENTION] initially i believed white was the right pick, or at least the one i wanted.. but not being a college football guy i got caught up in the idea of drafting a flashy skill position player.. but after reading & listening to anything i could find about williams i'm quite comfortable we made the right pick..

Let's not get it twisted people, I'm not saying Williams was the wrong or a bad pick. I'm not saying Williams wasn't the best player available or the Jets will regret drafting Williams. What I'm saying is White would have helped us more this year and maybe even 15 years down the road because he IMO is that kind if quality player that Williams is also. Plus, drafting White would have been more of a immediate impact this year then Williams. I say this because that's what our QBs and offense needs. That's ofcourse only if White wasn't hurt the entire year with us.

 

[jetgreen13]

Let's not get it twisted people, I'm not saying Williams was the wrong or a bad pick. I'm not saying Williams wasn't the best player available or the Jets will regret drafting Williams. What I'm saying is White would have helped us more this year and maybe even 15 years down the road because he IMO is that kind if quality player that Williams is also. Plus, drafting White would have been more of a immediate impact this year then Williams. I say this because that's what our QBs and offense needs. That's ofcourse only if White wasn't hurt the entire year with us.

cool..

that said, i made the point i believe williams was that right choice..

 

[jets82]

Listen Jets faithful, the Jets dropped the ball huge last year in not drafting Benjamin or Cooks in round one. Or not drafting Matthews, Robinson, Landry or Moncrief (if I'm correct in round two). I'm sure there's 2-3 more that I can't think of right now. There was also Bryant in the later rounds and J. Brown for the Cardinals or Hurns who weren't even drafted (if I'm correct). I'm just hoping they didn't drop the ball again by not drafting White this year.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Devin Smith might ultimately be better than White. Until White actually plays a down in the NFL, we will never know. Williams has star written all over him and he is almost a can't miss player. White was never thought of as that type of player. He had one good year at WVU.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Leonard Williams was a great pick. I don't know anything about Kevin White because he's not playing.

It's like saying "imagine if we'd taken Dan Marino instead of KO'B". Personally, I'd rather not think about it. It's not reality.