Yes Hind-sight is 20-20 and Kevin White is hurt the whole year but!

[Green Jets & Ham]

Sheldon Richardson did not do this kid any favors.

Ideally we could have made Williams a part of the rotation early and increased his snaps as the season progressed. This would have made his transition to the NFL much easier and allowed him to play at full speed every time he was on the field, a boost to his confidence, then maybe after the bye week Bowles could have drawn up a base four man front that got Williams on the field as a starter, and a monster D-line would have been born.

What Sheldon did is throw out any chance that we could properly groom this kid and forced us to throw him right to the wolves. I still think he's holding up quite well considering the hand he's been dealt. I absolutely see traces of an impact player waiting to happen. But make no mistake about it, Sheldon Richardson DID NOT do this kid any favors.

Lastly, in the long-run it could be a blessing because it expedites his learning curve. We basically threw him right into the deep end of the pool and said "swim or die", and that could benefit him in the long-run because he's NOT DYING, but make no mistake about it, this was not the ideal way to bring him along and we have Sheldon Richardson to thank for that.

 

[Bronx]

The same way I know A. Cooper or L. Williams or D. Fowler Jr or J. Winston or M. Mariota or the Iowa o-lineman were primetime players. By watching them play, listening to the pundits speak on them, looking at their highlights, watching the combine, watching their private school workouts and reading up on them. Didn't you?

Is that how we should conclude the guy is a premiere NFL WR? I thought we had to watch him for about 3 seasons, regardless of draft slot. But thanks for clearing that up.

 

[jets82]

Is that how we should conclude the guy is a premiere NFL WR? I thought we had to watch him for about 3 seasons, regardless of draft slot. But thanks for clearing that up.

Your welcome

 

[HYATT™]

What I'm saying is White would have helped us more this year and maybe even 15 years down the road because he IMO is that kind if quality player that Williams is also. Plus, drafting White would have been more of a immediate impact this year then Williams. I say this because that's what our QBs and offense needs. That's of course only if White wasn't hurt the entire year with us.

82, stop for about 2 minutes and reflect back.
Name one rookie WR draft pick that went down injured before ever playing an NFL game - that eventually became a stud NFL super star WR.
Just one - because HYATT™ is having a little trouble picturing his face.

WRs, as much as any position in football, HAVE to have "NFL bodies".
A WR who is lost for the year before ever taking a snap, doesn't inspire a lot of HoF career confidence.

 

[jets82]

82, stop for about 2 minutes and reflect back.
Name one rookie WR draft pick that went down injured before ever playing an NFL game - that eventually became a stud NFL super star WR.
Just one - because HYATT™ is having a little trouble picturing his face.

WRs, as much as any position in football, HAVE to have "NFL bodies".
A WR who is lost for the year before ever taking a snap, doesn't inspire a lot of HoF career confidence.

Great point and I can't think of one either, not now anyway. Point here being that no one can predict injuries. No one knew White would get injured on draft day or before or after the draft until he got injured. Same with Williams or any other player. No one can also say if White was drafted by the Jets that he would have gotten injured with us as well.

Circumstances could have been different with us. Whatever they were with Chicago that lead to his injury. If you want to say yes it would have been and he would of gotten injured with us then ok, so be it. All I'm saying is White would have been more of an immediate impact to this team and help overall being with our offensive struggles, then Williams is with a already stacked d-line we had on draft day.

Side note for me is White IMOO will be just as great of a player as Williams will be but ofcourse I could totally wrong about that. Hence your previous point about injured WR their rookie year recovering to becoming HOFers.

 

[maxmet]

lets just imagine that we took White at #6 and left Williams out there.

Then lets assume that White got hurt the same as he did

And then lets assume that Richardson got suspended just the same as he did

Highly likely that we would have a thread saying that with 20-20 hindsight it was a huge mistake to leave the consensus best player out there and take a fragile WR like White whom now may amount to nothing.

 

[jets82]

lets just imagine that we took White at #6 and left Williams out there.

Then lets assume that White got hurt the same as he did

And then lets assume that Richardson got suspended just the same as he did

Highly likely that we would have a thread saying that with 20-20 hindsight it was a huge mistake to leave the consensus best player out there and take a fragile WR like White whom now may amount to nothing.

That's very true and most likely most fans would have started that thread and posted comments agreeing with it. I can tell you for a fact I wouldn't have and posted comments arguing against it because you cant predict injuries. I would have also argued that White has no injury history (to my knowledge) so this would have been a moot point and pointless thread to start.

I would have argued that the Jets drafted an excellent player who could have had an immediate impact at a position of need. So how could you be upset at that. Plus Williams although the higgest ranked player was not a position of need for us at that time because none of us knew about Richardson's troubles that were coming ahead. So what was the point of drafting Williams unless the Jets knew of his troubles. Which none of us can answer that question.

 

[Bronx]

;57473]82, stop for about 2 minutes and reflect back.
Name one rookie WR draft pick that went down injured before ever playing an NFL game - that eventually became a stud NFL super star WR.
Just one - because HYATT[emoji769] is having a little trouble picturing his face.

WRs, as much as any position in football, HAVE to have "NFL bodies".
A WR who is lost for the year before ever taking a snap, doesn't inspire a lot of HoF career confidence.

I can't either.

But wait? I thought he was a premier NFL WR?


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[jets82]

I can't either.

But wait? I thought he was a premier NFL WR?


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Listen my man, let's not be an idiot about this. I hope I'm not dealing another sg3 type person here or sg3 himself really. This is all a matter of opinion and nothing is set in stone. No one ever said Williams wasnt worth the pick and was the wrong guy. I just posted I thought White was better suited for our team, a immediate need and he is the same quality type player as Williams IMO.

If you or anyone else feel different then so be it. No need to make this into a bashing and back and forth BS thing here. Hyatt points out that he can't remember any WR hurt his rookie year that turned out to be a HOFer. Well neither can I but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also doesn't mean it can't happen with White or any other other WR. So if you can't keep this shit civil and respectful then don't respond to my post or thread. Simple as that PARTNER.

 

[Elias]

Let's leave the fighting out of this. Also, forget sg3 please. Try not mentioning him since he's not on this board

 

[Elias]

As for this thread. I think given who was on the board Williams was the best pick. I wanted Cooper but Williams was a great pick since Cooper was taken

 

[jets82]

Let's leave the fighting out of this. Also, forget sg3 please. Try not mentioning him since he's not on this board

All Good and not a problem sir! Just wanted to set the record straight and make sure this isn't going in that direction with that kind of person.

 

[jets82]

As for this thread. I think given who was on the board Williams was the best pick. I wanted Cooper but Williams was a great pick since Cooper was taken

My choices for the 1st round were Fowler Jr, Cooper, the o-linemen from Iowa and then White. Never had Williams on my board PERIOD! Not because he wasn't worth the pick or not a great player, I just didn't think he fit an immediate need that White or the other players did.

 

[HYATT™]

That's very true and most likely most fans would have started that thread and posted comments agreeing with it. I can tell you for a fact I wouldn't have and posted comments arguing against it because you cant predict injuries. I would have also argued that White has no injury history (to my knowledge) so this would have been a moot point and pointless thread to start.

Shoulder injury his junior year.
Pigeon-toed and runs heel to toe.
Not sure if pigeon toed is conducive to injury avoidance or not.

 

[Bronx]

Listen my man, let's not be an idiot about this. I hope I'm not dealing another sg3 type person here or sg3 himself really. This is all a matter of opinion and nothing is set in stone. No one ever said Williams wasnt worth the pick and was the wrong guy. I just posted I thought White was better suited for our team, a immediate need and he is the same quality type player as Williams IMO.

If you or anyone else feel different then so be it. No need to make this into a bashing and back and forth BS thing here. Hyatt points out that he can't remember any WR hurt his rookie year that turned out to be a HOFer. Well neither can I but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also doesn't mean it can't happen with White or any other other WR. So if you can't keep this shit civil and respectful then don't respond to my post or thread. Simple as that PARTNER.

Kindly quote anything I said that was not civil. I'll be waiting.

The idea that this guy is a premier wide receiver is an insult to half the league . Play a damn snap first


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[mykcuz]

My choices for the 1st round were Fowler Jr, Cooper, the o-linemen from Iowa and then White. Never had Williams on my board PERIOD! Not because he wasn't worth the pick or not a great player, I just didn't think he fit an immediate need that White or the other players did.

The Jets were aware of Richardsons precarious situation because he has failed multiple dig tests leading up to the most recent. So Bowles knew he had a cocky player who couldn't lay off the weed even when a known test was coming up.

So for the Jets, they had mo who could eventually be a holdout or a player they can't afford, and Richardson a player who is also due for big money. They can't pay both giant contacts, so why not groom their replacement who happens to be Williams?

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[Mugatu]

White and his busted leg could've given company to Geno and his busted face, while they sat around watching West Virginia games this September.

 

[AFA2017]

MaineJet wrote: The RIGHT approach to the draft is to always take the BPA.

I disagree! As many posters know I wanted White. MaineJet, what your saying is to ALWAYS take the BPA. What happens next year if the BPA, a Defensive Lineman is starring us in the face as we pick? The year after and the year after that? As it turned out, Richardson got suspended. No one knew, not us armchair GM's. Same as no one knew White would go down with an injury. I hope Smith turns into an exciting player. Enjoyed you postings Jets82.

 

[Savage69]

Sheldon Richardson did not do this kid any favors.

Ideally we could have made Williams a part of the rotation early and increased his snaps as the season progressed. This would have made his transition to the NFL much easier and allowed him to play at full speed every time he was on the field, a boost to his confidence, then maybe after the bye week Bowles could have drawn up a base four man front that got Williams on the field as a starter, and a monster D-line would have been born.

What Sheldon did is throw out any chance that we could properly groom this kid and forced us to throw him right to the wolves. I still think he's holding up quite well considering the hand he's been dealt. I absolutely see traces of an impact player waiting to happen. But make no mistake about it, Sheldon Richardson DID NOT do this kid any favors.

Lastly, in the long-run it could be a blessing because it expedites his learning curve. We basically threw him right into the deep end of the pool and said "swim or die", and that could benefit him in the long-run because he's NOT DYING, but make no mistake about it, this was not the ideal way to bring him along and we have Sheldon Richardson to thank for that.

If you want to believe Bowles and Snacks the Little Kitty is doing just fine.. QB's need to be groomed D-linemen don't.. Every 1st rd pick on the D has always played right away..

 

[jets82]

Kindly quote anything I said that was not civil. I'll be waiting.

The idea that this guy is a premier wide receiver is an insult to half the league . Play a damn snap first


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I'm going to take the high road on this. I can see where this is going and no need for the back and forth BS.