Gotta Admit……
- Thread starter Greentilldeath
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I loved your response and initially I wasn’t going to respond but I’ll play. It’s because you were Darnold all the way through his last year at USC and through his Jets career. You even showed him love while he was initially with Carolina up to a certain point (if I’m correct) but you won't give Zach a sniff of props no matter what he does.
Now I get it to a certain extent. I was a Darnold fan at the beginning and wanted the Jets to draft him. I hung in there with him and made every excuse for him also up until the end of his second year. That’s when things started to change for me. I also didn’t want the Jets to draft Zach and was dead set against it.
I wanted them to draft Justin Fields or give Darnold one last year to prove himself. After watching Zach play pre season and hearing and reading everything about him in training camp he sold me. Now I’m willing to give the kid a chance but you still won’t, no matter what!
You made every excuse in the world for Darnold but won’t give this kid a chance at all and I think it’s just hypocritical of you or anyone else to do that!
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According to Adam Schefter, Zach did post a 4.44 40, so he does have wheels to use as a weapon.
the way i saw it was (1.) #2 beat the DLinemen to the sideline and they couldn't catch up and were probably gassed in pursuit, (2.) the coverage personnel couldn't get there, because they on the opposite side of the field and seemed to be in man coverage with their back to the QB, (3.) going back to (1.) it was a blitz, so one he broke containment he didn't have many defenders to beat. (4.) it was a nice run highlighted by the semi-stutter step to make the only defender who had the correct angle to shove him out of bounds miss him.
the thing that impressed me was the fact that i wasn't yelling at the TV "just run for it, Zach". Once he saw green grass all game, he took it.
Hopefully, that is a harbinger of things to get used to.
i was reminded of Parcells's advice to Vinny in '98..."if it isn't there, don't force it, pull it down and get a few yards."
I wasn't sold on Wilson before we drafted him. I was a huge Darnold supporter. Whether I give Wilson the same leeway shouldn't matter. Maybe I learned my lesson and don't want to waste a bunch of time on another QB. I fully admitted Darnold wasn't the answer and yes it took me awhile. It doesnt warrant the constant calling out. I will be harsher on Zach because of what I saw in Darnold. I have also admitted his progress in the last 4 weeks. I'm not impressed with it, but I will admit its there. Darnold is gone so its time to let go of whatever animosity you have towards me because of it. I don't want to fight with long time members of this forum. It ruins it for everyone. At the end of the day, I don't have to like Wilson and I will criticize him again I'm sure. I hope he becomes a true leader of the Jets because we all have waited so long. So lets just let this one die for the good of the forum. Deal?
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You don’t want to waste a bunch of time on another QB. Dude, it hasn’t even been a year yet and you’re ready to dump Wilson already. Come on man, that’s bullshit and deep down inside you know it! Makes no sense at all!!!
Also, it’s not a fight it’s just a debate! It’s all good, we’ll just agree to disagree on this!
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I definitely think that different players in different situations will be on different schedules. Mac, Herbert, you name him, will have had a rough time in #2's shoes; that doesn't take culpability of his during his first few games for really poor play.
i preface my question with that thought as i ask...
would you be impressed with him "as a rookie QB" if he didn't start the year, and the only games on his record are the ones he has since coming back from injury?
If he starts to impress me I will be the first to say it. So far I’ve seen one throw that I was impressed. I still see him bouncing passes off helmets.
what was the throw that impressed you?
the one i saw yesterday that impressed me was the drop on a laser to #16. the reason being is that it appears that Zach seems like he stopped trying to "place the ball in his receivers hands", and started giving them a chance to make a play; #16 didn't, but that didn't stop Zach from making a great read, and throw on subsequent plays.
accuracy is a two wat street...they have to make a play on a ball if it's catchable, so to be critical of Zach bouncing a ball off of Berrios's head is just as much on Berrios for not getting his hands in place to haul it in.
if i am a part of his receiving core, i am embarrassed that the only highlight reel play (this whole year) was made by a Back Up Tackle.
he is a backup thought he was fifth string?
I was impressed with the throw in the Titans game because that shows off his true ceiling. The bounces off helmets and bouncing in the dirt is what I can't understand. I'm glad he has limited his turnovers because that is the easiest thing to do. I'm not writing him off, but I also don't want to not scout QB's just becasue we have Zachenberg on the roster. Damn it, why didnt I think of that nickname when he sucked earlier in the season. I could have got a lot of miles out of that one.
If you want to scout a QB, look at Carson Strong , Nevada
You hit the nail on the button with this and I agree 1,000 percent. I wasn’t at all a believer in Zach until he change my mind during the off-season, training camp and preseason. I realized then he did have ALOT more potential and talent than Darnold and he should be supporting just as much as I did Darnold.
I’ll give him as much support as I did Darnold which was three years. I started feeling real iffy on Darnold in his second year but I still stuck with him until his third year. I’ll do the same with Zach and I believe he won’t disappoint! If I’m wrong than so be it but he deserves just as much support from us as we gave Sam. In my opinion!!!
Again this isn't about Sam. I had huge doubts about Zach before we drafted him and I have just as many if not more now. I hope he proves me wrong. So far he hasn't. I think he has incredible arm talent. I don't know if he is or can be a true leader. He has to make a giant leap next year for me. When @jets82 says I supported Darnold, I never washed his balls like you do with Zach. I might have made excuses for him, but thats about it. The problem I have with you is you make me want to hate every player you write an essay about. And then when we question it, we are the morons. The childish tirade you had about Zach when he hadn't signed was so over the top and ridiculous that I feel the need to question everything you say.
I know everyone will be excited to hear you brag. And I know exactly how it will turn out.
so you saying Joe that you won't re-sign Mike White as the backup because he can not play one lick?
This is the last time I'm saying it. This isn't about Darnold. Move the fuck on. I've already admitted he is not a good QB. You need to just STFU. Nevermind. Just keep annoying people.
Well I've never been banned from a forum. And I won't have to put you on ignore.
good you support your guy
but remember everything does not have to be St. Petersburg
they are who they are and that is their choice
they will discuss with you, but as soon as you get out of hand
BANNED
calm down their buddy you are getting unruly with your attitude
so what happens when Zach gets injured, who will we have to step in that can command this offense
Mike White proved two things, he can play at this level and he can succeed - that is what you want from your backup
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