Ryan Fitzpatrick Traded to Jets

[skop]

But we have to assume the QB rushing yards that we lose will be more than replaced by QB passing yards, which in turn will open things up for whoever ends up running the ball.

If teams don't put 9 in the box like last year, our running game will improve by default . . .

Bingo. The total yards our offense (in theory) should have be more than the yards a tandem of QBs & the loss of CJ gave us. You also nailed the fact that Ivory & BP should have an easier time.

Chan Gailey is going to run an offense that we haven't seen in years. Hopefully, RB's will run, QB's will throw, and WR's & TE's will catch. With a lack of a Wildcat, a TebowDive, or any other gimmick stuff, we can actually watch a real football team again.

 

[HYATT™]

I am not sold on Mariota. I think this is an underwhelming QB draft.

A bit harsh, aren't you?
Not many QB classes have a Rivers, Eli, & Roethisberger in them.
The vast majority have between one Elite QB & none, and perhaps a few journeymen backups that'll be around for a while because backups never have to play much or expose their weaknesses.

This class has a nice number of 2nd tier QBs, reminding HYATT™ a lot of the 2005 class that saw at least 10 QBs come into the league who would eventually start and at least 7, (Smith, Rodgers , Campbell, Orton, Anderson, Cassel, & Fitzpatrick), who would start a lot of games over the years.
HYATT™ can see at least 7 prospects in this draft, beyond the obvious 2 in contention at the top, who COULD end up having 10 year careers as backups and sometime starters.
As QB classes go, this looks to actually be a decent one, if not exactly '83 or '04.

In fact, HYATT™ suspects that is the story of the '15 draft - the year of depth draft picks - because so many underclassmen declared last year.
Other than the WR class, which looks almost identical to the last class, most positions are pretty thin at even B+ grade talent, let alone blue chip future starters.
But there is a lot to like about potential backups and 2nd stringers in there that can make teams better in depth.

 

[Jet Setter]

Bingo. The total yards our offense (in theory) should have be more than the yards a tandem of QBs & the loss of CJ gave us. You also nailed the fact that Ivory & BP should have an easier time.

Chan Gailey is going to run an offense that we haven't seen in years. Hopefully, RB's will run, QB's will throw, and WR's & TE's will catch. With a lack of a Wildcat, a TebowDive, or any other gimmick stuff, we can actually watch a real football team again.

RB's will catch as well. A foreign concept for Jet fans to witness.

 

[skop]

But there is a lot to like about potential backups and 2nd stringers in there that can make teams better in depth.[/COLOR][/QUOTE][/B]

HYATT, good to see you! I was careful to say underwhelming QB draft. The Jets are picking 6th overall, and bc, as you said, there are usually one elite QB per draft...why pick one at that spot? My thought was on that particular pick. I don't see first rounders at that spot; where you wouldn't pick a back-up.

 

[Jet Setter]

A bit harsh, aren't you?
Not many QB classes have a Rivers, Eli, & Roethisberger in them.
The vast majority have between one Elite QB & none, and perhaps a few journeymen backups that'll be around for a while because backups never have to play much or expose their weaknesses.

This class has a nice number of 2nd tier QBs, reminding HYATT™ a lot of the 2005 class that saw at least 10 QBs come into the league who would eventually start and at least 7, (Smith, Rodgers , Campbell, Orton, Anderson, Cassel, & Fitzpatrick), who would start a lot of games over the years.
HYATT™ can see at least 7 prospects in this draft, beyond the obvious 2 in contention at the top, who COULD end up having 10 year careers as backups and sometime starters.
As QB classes go, this looks to actually be a decent one, if not exactly '83 or '04.

In fact, HYATT™ suspects that is the story of the '15 draft - the year of depth draft picks - because so many underclassmen declared last year.
Other than the WR class, which looks almost identical to the last class, most positions are pretty thin at even B+ grade talent, let alone blue chip future starters.
But there is a lot to like about potential backups and 2nd stringers in there that can make teams better in depth.

Last year's QB class was strong. This year's and the year before last, terrible. I can't agree on the 2nd tier from this bunch. We'll see what transpires. I could be wrong but I haven't been impressed enough to think about using one of our 2nd or 3rd day picks on one. Usually, I'd be in favor of this.
On a side note, I think QB's are harder to find with the advent of these college gimmicky offenses. Just a theory. Not many pro-ready QB's.

TE class is weak, RB very strong, I agree WR is close to last year, DT is strong, pass rushing is strong, OG is weak, OT is weaker at the top but okay in depth, safety is thin, CB is robust. A few decent ILB's.

 

[HYATT™]

Last year's QB class was strong. This year's and the year before last, terrible. I can't agree on the 2nd tier from this bunch. We'll see what transpires. I could be wrong but I haven't been impressed enough to think about using one of our 2nd or 3rd day picks on one. Usually, I'd be in favor of this.
On a side note, I think QB's are harder to find with the advent of these college gimmicky offenses. Just a theory. Not many pro-ready QB's.

TE class is weak, RB very strong, I agree WR is close to last year, DT is strong, pass rushing is strong, OG is weak, OT is weaker at the top but okay in depth, safety is thin, CB is robust. A few decent ILB's.

WOW Jet Setter - we sure do see things differently.
HYATT™ believes we saw so little of last year's QB class that it's hard to say how good or bad it was.
Beyond Bortles, Bilgewater, and Carr, who did YOU see enough of to judge whether or not they can make it in the NFL?
For HYATT™ there are still 9 blank slates out there from that QB class, but the top 3 weren't exactly future HoFers from the git go, though impressive enough to be starters for now.

Carr's older brother looked pretty good in his rookie year too, then his HOU OL happened. LMFAO - I really shouldn't laugh at David Carr's misfortune, he MIGHT have been a pretty good one if he had landed anywhere but in HOU.

I largely agree with you on the QBs being NOT NFL ready and harder to find because of the move to Spread Offenses and shotgun only training these days - which explains the NFL's adopting Spread Offenses the way they have.
The times, they are a-changing, sadly for us old-timers.

I haven't spent the kind of time on this draft class I would have in years past before I finally gave it all up in disgust over the NFL game-fixing I saw last season, but that time I have spent ledes me to believe the CB cupboard is almost completely bare after Waynes, Collins, and Darby & there isn't a 1st or 2nd round SS or FS in the lot, unless some of those bigger CBs get converted to safety - and then I STILL don't like them.

The OLB class runs out of steam rather quickly and the ILB class, brother, don't get me started. That from a fan of the Packers, who NEED an ILB desperately.

QBs look to be deep, if not top tier.
WR is indistinguishable from last year's class, especially the top 5 or 6.
DL looks to be middling deep, depending on which system you use, and should produce from the top 2 rounds at least.

On the other side of the ball, LT has ONE decent starter - Scherff, and one kid that looks like he might be fit for a ZBS system RT, Ogbuehi, but the rest are slow-azz bulldozers with poor footwork compared to what we are used to seeing out of LTs.
Maybe a few RTs in there but LT is down to one guy for now.
Cann is the highest rated OG and he's barely receiving a mid-round 2 grade & HYATT™ doesn't see a decent starting Center in the entire draft.
When did OL players start getting so slow?

Not a single receiving TE in the draft, not one, which is why HYATT™ has been touting WR Waller, from GT, as a TE conversion project.
Shight, Green-Beckham may end up a better TE than WR too, ala Jimmy Graham, if he can block at all.
HYATT™ admits there is some RB talent in there, albeit laden with injury histories for the most part.

All in all, it looks to be the Year of the Backup, however.
That is how HYATT™ sees the 2015 draft class.

 

[Jet Setter]

Nice observations, Hyatt. For someone not in tune with the draft, you know a lot.
I'll go into more detail on last year's QB class and this year's when I have more time. We agree on most everything else. I'd like to hear more about the point-fixing. Didn't hear about that at all.

 

[HYATT™]

I'd like to hear more about the point-fixing. Didn't hear about that at all.

Of course you didn't.
It's so blatant it's become blasé now and the NFL doesn't shiv a git if fans even see it or not.
Their paid whores, the nationally syndicated bloggers, aren't about to upset their juicy applecart and discuss it either.
Open yer eyes mon, it's as plainly visible as the nose on Jimmy Durante's face was.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Me too! Thanks for the link.

YOU MADE IT BROTHA!! Welcome.

 

[Jet Setter]

But we have to assume the QB rushing yards that we lose will be more than replaced by QB passing yards, which in turn will open things up for whoever ends up running the ball.

If teams don't put 9 in the box like last year, our running game will improve by default . . .

The Jets still managed to be the #3 rushing offense.

 

[hobson54]

A bit harsh, aren't you?
Not many QB classes have a Rivers, Eli, & Roethisberger in them.
The vast majority have between one Elite QB & none, and perhaps a few journeymen backups that'll be around for a while because backups never have to play much or expose their weaknesses.

This class has a nice number of 2nd tier QBs, reminding HYATT™ a lot of the 2005 class that saw at least 10 QBs come into the league who would eventually start and at least 7, (Smith, Rodgers , Campbell, Orton, Anderson, Cassel, & Fitzpatrick), who would start a lot of games over the years.
HYATT™ can see at least 7 prospects in this draft, beyond the obvious 2 in contention at the top, who COULD end up having 10 year careers as backups and sometime starters.
As QB classes go, this looks to actually be a decent one, if not exactly '83 or '04.

In fact, HYATT™ suspects that is the story of the '15 draft - the year of depth draft picks - because so many underclassmen declared last year.
Other than the WR class, which looks almost identical to the last class, most positions are pretty thin at even B+ grade talent, let alone blue chip future starters.
But there is a lot to like about potential backups and 2nd stringers in there that can make teams better in depth.

HYATT, can you elaborate more on your thoughts on the QB draft class?

my admittedly amateur opinion was that this was a weak QB class. you have the 2 headline guys (where opinions vary greatly on them), and then 3 or 4 guys who are maybe mid round picks. who do you like this year?

 

[hobson54]

The Jets still managed to be the #3 rushing offense.

that's because of geno and vick. take away QB rushing yards and we were something like 12th in rushing.

 

[Jet Setter]

that's because of geno and vick. take away QB rushing yards and we were something like 12th in rushing.

About 17% with roughly 400 yards between the two of the 2280 gained. Russell Wilson had nearly 850 yards by himself. I'm not going to discount it knowing the lack of pass weapons they had and likely facing a lot of 8 man fronts. I think it's pretty good.

 

[ucrenegade]

that's because of geno and vick. take away QB rushing yards and we were something like 12th in rushing.

honestly i don't care the only time i want my qb running is if the pocket collapses in a hurry or if it is a less than 1 yard qb sneak

other than that i want my qb to throw away the ball rather than try to run it unless the field is so wide open their is not another player within 10 yrds of him.

 

[hobson54]

honestly i don't care the only time i want my qb running is if the pocket collapses in a hurry or if it is a less than 1 yard qb sneak

other than that i want my qb to throw away the ball rather than try to run it unless the field is so wide open their is not another player within 10 yrds of him.

i don't necessarily disagree.

i was just pointing out that those who cite our strong rushing offense (3rd in the league) need to factor in that our QBs contributed a lot to those rankings. and if, for argument's sake, fitz is gonna be our QB, we might not have as good of a running game as some may assume just by looking at last year's team rushing stats.

 

[ucrenegade]

i don't necessarily disagree.

i was just pointing out that those who cite our strong rushing offense (3rd in the league) need to factor in that our QBs contributed a lot to those rankings. and if, for argument's sake, fitz is gonna be our QB, we might not have as good of a running game as some may assume just by looking at last year's team rushing stats.

it actually should be better per avg anyway maybe not in yards because fitz will prob double the yardage output passing yds but in reality i think bowles and gailey will use the run right.

 

[OCCH]

honestly i don't care the only time i want my qb running is if the pocket collapses in a hurry or if it is a less than 1 yard qb sneak

other than that i want my qb to throw away the ball rather than try to run it unless the field is so wide open their is not another player within 10 yrds of him.

While I don't want my QB PRIMARILY running the ball, I do like it being a tangible threat for the defense to worry about.

Most Jets fans felt Sanchez would have been more effective if he used his legs more. I also think Geno would benefit from utilizing it -- the few times he did it usually ended well.

Plus, when the QB has a season like we've had to endure recently, we get the added bonus of hoping he gets POUNDED when he tucks the ball and takes off . . .:smiley-angry046:

 

[HYATT™]

HYATT, can you elaborate more on your thoughts on the QB draft class?

my admittedly amateur opinion was that this was a weak QB class. you have the 2 headline guys (where opinions vary greatly on them), and then 3 or 4 guys who are maybe mid round picks. who do you like this year?

Just HYATT™'s OPINION, mind you, and especially cautious because of the lack of time investment in anything NFL these days, (bullshight cheating bastiches), HYATT™ does feel that the following QBs stack up well against last year's class that included 3 starters and a handful more backups that still have that dreaded "P" word hanging about them.

Winston is the clear Elite QB in this class, none of the others carries anywhere near his level of readiness or talent, even WITH his off-field baggage.

2nd tier QBs with "development" issues, largely based on their college offense systems and level of preparedness, which they can't really be held responsible for.
All they can bring to the table is their own talent.
Mind you, because of a lack of investment, I cannot make a definitive list in ranked order, just a somewhat "intuitive" list of what HYATT™ believes are prospects with the tools to become good NFL QBs on some level & will hang around for several years or longer.
Sean Mannion - Oregon St.
Marcus Mariota - Oregon
Bryce Petty - Baylor (overhyped)
Matt Joeckel - TCU (dark horse that plays very well)
Shane Carden - E. Carolina (feisty one, me likee)

Small School, big games, good tools - UDFA-type guys with a shot:
Connor Halliday - Washington St.
Brandon Bridge - S. Alabama
Garrett Grayson - Colorado St.
Jerry Lovelocke - Prairie View A&M
Chris Bonner - Colorado St.-Pueblo
Cody Fajardo - Nevada

May/probably get drafted but HYATT™ doesn't like their chances of sticking around long:
Brett Hundley - UCLA
Ryan Williams - MIA (Fla.)

That's it, HYATT™'s baker's dozen - with all due thanks to my donut man.

HYATT™ does wish Michigan St. QB Connor Cook hadn't decided to go back to school and instead joined this draft class.
Since Winston is out of reach, he'd have been HYATT™'s BPA QB target #1 for the Jets to draft in Rd 1.

Kevin Hogan, from Stanford, was a guy whom HYATT™ knew immediately would forgo this draft class to honor his 4 year commitment to Stanford, but he'd have been another prospect HYATT™ would have liked to have seen still on the board in early Rd 3 & made a move for, even if Cook had become a Jets pick.
Better 2 shots at a franchise QB AND a decent backup, than only 1.

 

[Elias]

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Geno has a shot at winning the job....

 

[Superman55]

Just HYATT™'s OPINION, mind you, and especially cautious because of the lack of time investment in anything NFL these days, (bullshight cheating bastiches), HYATT™ does feel that the following QBs stack up well against last year's class that included 3 starters and a handful more backups that still have that dreaded "P" word hanging about them.

Winston is the clear Elite QB in this class, none of the others carries anywhere near his level of readiness or talent, even WITH his off-field baggage.

2nd tier QBs with "development" issues, largely based on their college offense systems and level of preparedness, which they can't really be held responsible for.
All they can bring to the table is their own talent.
Mind you, because of a lack of investment, I cannot make a definitive list in ranked order, just a somewhat "intuitive" list of what HYATT™ believes are prospects with the tools to become good NFL QBs on some level & will hang around for several years or longer.
Sean Mannion - Oregon St.
Marcus Mariota - Oregon
Bryce Petty - Baylor (overhyped)
Matt Joeckel - TCU (dark horse that plays very well)
Shane Carden - E. Carolina (feisty one, me likee)

Small School, big games, good tools - UDFA-type guys with a shot:
Connor Halliday - Washington St.
Brandon Bridge - S. Alabama
Garrett Grayson - Colorado St.
Jerry Lovelocke - Prairie View A&M
Chris Bonner - Colorado St.-Pueblo
Cody Fajardo - Nevada

May/probably get drafted but HYATT™ doesn't like their chances of sticking around long:
Brett Hundley - UCLA
Ryan Williams - MIA (Fla.)

That's it, HYATT™'s baker's dozen - with all due thanks to my donut man.

HYATT™ does wish Michigan St. QB Connor Cook hadn't decided to go back to school and instead joined this draft class.
Since Winston is out of reach, he'd have been HYATT™'s BPA QB target #1 for the Jets to draft in Rd 1.

Kevin Hogan, from Stanford, was a guy whom HYATT™ knew immediately would forgo this draft class to honor his 4 year commitment to Stanford, but he'd have been another prospect HYATT™ would have liked to have seen still on the board in early Rd 3 & made a move for, even if Cook had become a Jets pick.
Better 2 shots at a franchise QB AND a decent backup, than only 1.

Hogan is a kid that frustrates me. For the last two seasons I've been excited about the kid's development. Then I watch him vs UCLA and/or USC and the kid craps the bed. Its frustrating. the talent and mechanics are there, the decision making doesnt appear to be. Too bad, because he's in a pro style offense and brings NFL skill sets to the position.