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add to that the opposing QB will have 2-3 second to get ri of the ball if that which means our db's will be more impactful and so will pryor in the run game providing any rb makes it past our dline.
#6 pick in 2015 - Jets select Leonard Williams DT USC
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Good point. The Patriots, the standard-bearer for success in the salary cap era, have long seen guys walk because they performed well enough to price themselves out of Foxboro. It happens.
It's a nice problem to have, indeed.
It's funny you mention that because White responded to that question on First Take I believe. I stated that he was operating on a offense that was for him to stay on one side of the field. He did what he was told and made it work. He stated that in the Alabama game, they did move him around the field and he crushed Bama. He stated that he can play anywhere on the field against anyone and I believe him. WR is not like a QB, especially not in todays NFL.
OBs need that time to develop because they have so much more to learn, WR for the most part don't. Talent is talent when it comes to a WR, just get him the ball and he'll make it work. Wherever you line him up. Look at what the rookie WRs from last did. Whether they had franchise QBs or not, about 13-15 of them were impact players for their teams. Don't think White could have done that? I know Williams is a beast and it will all work out in the end. I trust in our regime and Mo is already trade bait from what their saying. So this draft will make since one way or the other eventually, if not now!
There were lots of complaints this morning on Sirius about this pick. Colts have Andre Johnson, Moncreif, and Hilton and need help on the oline and everywhere on defense (especially with older Mathis coming off an achilles). I dont think many Colts fans are happy with this pick.
Its not a given any player in the draft will be a stud.
Rookie WRs can't make that much of a difference to a average QB by themselves. But with that rookie WR and a group of beast WRs, they can. We have Marshall (HOF quality #1 WR, IMO), Decker (excellent #2 WR), Kerley (excellent #3 WR), Amaro (developing into an excellent #1 TE), Cumberland (nice quality back up TE) and a RB by committee that is pretty formidable. With the addition of White to the mix, it can only help Geno, Fitz or whatever QB. It definitely won't hurt them.
Were not talking about us having a young franchise QB like Luck, Wilson or Newton. Were talking about the Jets having average or worse QBs that can use all the help they can get. There still are a lot of quality WRs left to grab and hopefully we get one. I'm thinking Strong or DGB. So yes Williams can and probably will have more of an impact with the defense then White would with us. But did we need Williams? That a question we all may have different answers on. I think we all can agree we needed White.
I think fans, myself included, tend to be too need-based when considering what our team should do in a draft. Front offices don't, and probably shouldn't, operate that way.
On paper they do and it appears they do period. QBs will have a very hard time even throwing the ball against us and RBs won't get much love in the run game.
I honestly don't mean to belabor the point, I just don't understand your logic.
You openly admit Williams will likely have a bigger impact on the team, that White would only be a small cog in a larger offensive machine, and there's still lots of WR talent out there. Yet somehow that = "we needed White"?
If you want to say we'll need WRs down the line, fine. But we have no idea what the future holds (injuries, unexpected improvements, released players, etc.) If Marshall gets hurt, maybe we regret not taking White. But if Mo gets hurt we'll be THRILLED we took Williams. That's why we can only look at what we have today, and today we own the rights to the consensus best player of the entire draft. What we do with that remains to be seen . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg17pcORq6w&feature=player_embedded
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=97818FDCAFC9448E486B97818FDCAFC9448E486B
They kind of look eerily similiar in college
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=97818FDCAFC9448E486B97818FDCAFC9448E486B
They kind of look eerily similiar in college
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Cant wait to see this board when we go defense again at 37opcorn:
We'll probably draft Eddie Goldman from FSU
BPA and I stand corrected!
BPA and I stand corrected!
After watching the videos of this kid Williams and looking at the interviews with Mac and Bowles on this pick, they did the right thing. White wouldn't have been a wrong pick either I will say but neither is Williams and this kid is a beast. He looks and plays like a linebacker out there. Mac and Bowles philosophy on the draft has always been the BPA from the moment they got here and thats how you build SB teams. They proved that with this pick and the pick was a great one. I'm sure Bowles will make it work making Williams is a true impact player from day one. Whether they trade Mo or not, Williams will help this team and make us proud. So I stand corrected and trust in the regime. Lets just all hope the BPA available isn't a d-linemen for the rest of the draft or we will be in trouble, LOL! J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
BPA and I stand corrected!
After watching the videos of this kid Williams and looking at the interviews with Mac and Bowles on this pick, they did the right thing. White wouldn't have been a wrong pick either I will say but neither is Williams and this kid is a beast. He looks and plays like a linebacker out there. Mac and Bowles philosophy on the draft has always been the BPA from the moment they got here and thats how you build SB teams. They proved that with this pick and the pick was a great one. I'm sure Bowles will make it work making Williams is a true impact player from day one. Whether they trade Mo or not, Williams will help this team and make us proud. So I stand corrected and trust in the regime. Lets just all hope the BPA available isn't a d-linemen for the rest of the draft or we will be in trouble, LOL! J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
I see 55's point about taking another DLinemen.
I see the view of many seeing the BPA.
The deciding factor is what position does the BPA play. If you're loaded at WR, it's crazy to be the Matt Millen Lions. This pick is a good one, because he's a Dlinemen.
Remember in '86 when #99 & #73 went down after our 10 game winning streak? Had Chris Doleman been picked in the preceding draft to step in, I bet we don't lose our last 5 games.
the other question is where are we futile...nowhere. BPA made lots of sense...IMO.
I see the view of many seeing the BPA.
The deciding factor is what position does the BPA play. If you're loaded at WR, it's crazy to be the Matt Millen Lions. This pick is a good one, because he's a Dlinemen.
Remember in '86 when #99 & #73 went down after our 10 game winning streak? Had Chris Doleman been picked in the preceding draft to step in, I bet we don't lose our last 5 games.
the other question is where are we futile...nowhere. BPA made lots of sense...IMO.
Is it better to work on your weaknesses, and try to have a pretty good team in every aspect? Or is it better to load up on one area and be absolutely dominant there, sacrificing your other needs?
There are arguments to both, just as there are arguments for BPA or need. In this case, I think if the need player was even close, they would have gone White at WR or Beasley at edge rusher. But neither of those guys was on anyone's board even close to Williams. There was talk of Williams supplanting one of the two QBs in a top two position. He's probably the only non-QB mentioned in that talk.
He was, by a large measure, the absolute best player available, and that was pretty much universally believed. How do you pass on him? And if you do pass on him just to try to fill a need, isn't that what losing clubs do?
There are arguments to both, just as there are arguments for BPA or need. In this case, I think if the need player was even close, they would have gone White at WR or Beasley at edge rusher. But neither of those guys was on anyone's board even close to Williams. There was talk of Williams supplanting one of the two QBs in a top two position. He's probably the only non-QB mentioned in that talk.
He was, by a large measure, the absolute best player available, and that was pretty much universally believed. How do you pass on him? And if you do pass on him just to try to fill a need, isn't that what losing clubs do?
I will post this again and even started a thread on it because I did a little more research:
After watching the videos of this kid Williams and looking at the interviews with Mac and Bowles on this pick, they did the right thing. White wouldn't have been a wrong pick either I will say but neither is Williams and this kid is a beast. He looks and plays like a linebacker out there. Mac and Bowles philosophy on the draft has always been the BPA from the moment they got here and thats how you build SB teams. They proved that with this pick and the pick was a great one. I'm sure Bowles will make it work making Williams is a true impact player from day one. Whether they trade Mo or not, Williams will help this team and make us proud. So I stand corrected and trust in the regime. Lets just all hope the BPA available isn't a d-linemen for the rest of the draft or we will be in trouble, LOL! J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
55 loves receivers early. I think he was all over Cooks last year. I'm sure it is a factor in his analysis that White is a WR.
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grand canyon gap between williams and goldman
Could be BPA at 37
Cook and Dennard last year were my two favorites...