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unless harold, mckinlley, clemmings, fisher, strong, gregory are all taken I doubt goldman will be BAP at 37
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unless harold, mckinlley, clemmings, fisher, strong, gregory are all taken I doubt goldman will be BAP at 37
i don't think it's just picking the name that sits on top of your board. i think it's also how big of a gap there is between that player and the next best player available.
it seems to me that they had williams as vastly superior to anyone else available on the board. reports are that williams was a top 3 player on their board (i think macc said as much), and while the others weren't named, it's assumed the other 2 were cooper and fowler. but if, for argument's sake, williams was a 97 (out of 100 - note i'm just making up the #s ) and white was a 93 and beasley or dupree a 91 (again, making up the #s ), then they go with the clear best player.
i find it hard to believe that in stacking up the players now that we are in round 2, where there aren't any ELITE players left (and williams by all accounts was an elite player), that goldman (or any DT) will rate THAT MUCH higher than some other player.
so i don't think it's just taking the player who is on top of your board. there's also factoring in how much better you see this player vis-a-vis the other players available. it's like what ham did in his excellent tiering of prospects. perhaps they had 3 guys in the top tier (williams, cooper and fowler) and then white and beasley/dupree/whomever were in the next tier. now that we are into the 30s, i can't see the tiering being that dramatic between a DT (if hypothetically this is their BPA) and someone else.
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couldn't of said it better mhyself and I agree not only is goldman not higher than those that I mentioned but if he is in the jets eyes I don't think his rank is a big enough gap that they must draft him.
Hope so. My head will explode if we draft 6 more DEs/DTs, especially when I get the privilege of reading Sg3s reaction of how great it is we drafted 6 3-4 Des with our 6 selections in this year's draft because they were all BPAs.
you dont know who we have higher or lower than anyone...
Great point, both hobson and renegade. It's not just about BPA. It's if BPA is vastly the best player available. If it's close, you may lean toward need. Where that line is, that's for a team to decide.
At this point, I don't know if there will be that kind of gap. A consensus top 3 player in the draft, by most accounts the best player if the other two played any other position, falls to you at 6. I don't care if you are six deep at DL, you take him! You find a place for him!
At this point, I don't know if there will be that kind of gap. A consensus top 3 player in the draft, by most accounts the best player if the other two played any other position, falls to you at 6. I don't care if you are six deep at DL, you take him! You find a place for him!
come on. do you think this is realistic? i'm sure they make adjustments based on what else we've drafted and aren't 1000% slaves to the board.
Last Year, I thought Cook was the best WR, and Dennard was the best DB. they would've been best BPA at a position of dire need in both spots. I would've taken either for sure.
I wouldn't have cried over not taking #91 ...I would now though.
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we were yesterday
They showed us yesterday that if we had a 25 year old John Elway and Jim kelly was BPA in the draft, we would select Jim Kelley...and the next year we'd draft Favre, then the next year Brady, and Marino, and just keep drafting BPA...that's what we did yesterday...the Matt Millen approach...just draft Wrs every year...we just draft dline every year and keep getting high picks...funny how that worked for him is how it has worked for us...
I said this in another thread, but I think it's very revealing that virtually everyone outside this forum thinks the Jets got a steal in Williams. Just watch the tape. The tape don't lie. He's a beast. This pick was as easy as they come for Maccagnan.
I'm sure "need" will start to factor in more now that the gap between players narrows. You have a lot of good players left on the board of relatively similar value. The next two picks will probably be in the following positions: o-line, QB, edge rusher. Maybe a RB. Maybe.
I'm sure "need" will start to factor in more now that the gap between players narrows. You have a lot of good players left on the board of relatively similar value. The next two picks will probably be in the following positions: o-line, QB, edge rusher. Maybe a RB. Maybe.
we were yesterday
They showed us yesterday that if we had a 25 year old John Elway and Jim kelly was BPA in the draft, we would select Jim Kelley...and the next year we'd draft Favre, then the next year Brady, and Marino, and just keep drafting BPA...that's what we did yesterday...the Matt Millen approach...just draft Wrs every year...we just draft dline every year and keep getting high picks...funny how that worked for him is how it has worked for us...
You make the Millen comparison mockingly, and yet you seem to have a similar affinity of taking WRs early every year.
would that be your order, OL, QB, OLB, and RB? I think mine would be OL, WR, RB, QB, OLB...I think we'll be in a lot of nickel and dime and not blitzing that much with our stacked dline...so edge rusher, for me, is lessof a need now. Coples will likely get all the snaps there anyway, right?
especially when we never do it and have the same need every year. OLB would be the same way if there was ever a OLB I felt was worth taking.
Im with a lot of people on this year's OLB class, I "liked" some, but found any hard to "love." Even Fowler i saw pancaked 3 times by Collins...pancaked.
OLB and WR every year seems to be a team need, you dont think so? less this year though with marshall, but I feel long term, we need to get younger at WR, OLB, and OL...
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I asked you nicely to leave me out of your pathetic diatribes. You paid no attention.
I'll let the mods handle you
Let me turn the analogy on you.
If the Jets had a need at WR, but not at DL, and both Suh and Stephen Hill were on the board as the best players available at their position, you'd want to go Hill over Suh. After all, it's a need.
It's tough to know what the plan is for Coples, but I've gotta think he stays at OLB. Numbers-wise, he's got to. So an edge rusher might not be as high, despite Macc's statement about a "pipeline of OLB's" being essential to the 3-4 defense.
I don't put the positions of need in any particular order. We could use a young QB to develop, another offensive lineman for sure, and a burner, vertical WR wouldn't be a bad idea. I doubt we address all of that with the picks we have left. But I'm certain we'll address one or two of them.
You know what, I think he's gonna be a huge steal for whoever drafts him in RD 2, reminds me of Vince Wilfork and I'm surprised the Patriots didn't take him. I like Malcom Brown too, but I'd be more bummed out if they had taken Goldman.
I'm not saying we should take him, obviously we can't, but he's going to be a premiere NT for the next decade.
Hill had 29 total catches in college...I think comparing him to suh in terms of where they would go in the draft is far fetched.
Suh was drafted in 2010. So, to make this realistic, in 2010 if we had Wilkerson and Richardson on the roster, and had to decide between the #1 DT in the 2010 draft, Suh, and the #1 WR in the 2010 draft, Demaryius Thomas...I'd take Thomas. yes i would.
For that matter, a speedy RB in a later round wouldn't be bad, either.
I would love just one more pick in the first four rounds, and a fifth.
My analogy was exaggerated, but it was made to prove a point. Just as it is wrong to dogmatically adhere to a strict BPA strategy, it is similarly wrong to ignore BPA to solely address needs, when the guy who is by far clearly the best player does not play a position of need.