#6 pick in 2015 - Jets select Leonard Williams DT USC

Superman55

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I asked you nicely to leave me out of your pathetic diatribes. You paid no attention.

I'll let the mods handle you

Feel free. Hopefully they teach you where the ignore button is you always threaten to use.
 

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My analogy was exaggerated, but it was made to prove a point. Just as it is wrong to dogmatically adhere to a strict BPA strategy, it is similarly wrong to ignore BPA to solely address needs, when the guy who is by far clearly the best player does not play a position of need.

Hobson made a good point earlier, maybe Williams grades out at 97 and White at 93...im sure Suh and Thomas likely had similar grades that year...some people compare Williams to Reggie White. Wow, that will be fun to watch. Again, I just dont know when you stop adding to Reggie White, Richard Dent, Chris Doleman, and Charles Haley all on the same team...eventually, I feel you need to draft another position.

Maybe our scouting department is only good at evaluating dline...its kind of worked out that way...
 

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Hobson made a good point earlier, maybe Williams grades out at 97 and White at 93...im sure Suh and Thomas likely had similar grades that year...some people compare Williams to Reggie White. Wow, that will be fun to watch. Again, I just dont know when you stop adding to Reggie White, Richard Dent, Chris Doleman, and Charles Haley all on the same team...eventually, I feel you need to draft another position.

I understand the argument. And I think you do have to consider need, but not if there is a big gap between one guy and the rest of your board. If the best player available is not a position of need, but he really is hands-down the best player available, an absolute stud for that draft slot, you take him.
 

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come on. do you think this is realistic? i'm sure they make adjustments based on what else we've drafted and aren't 1000% slaves to the board.
I'm sure they won't be, ridiculous to think any regime would draft nothing but one position because they were the BPA when their draft picks came up. I made a slight joke myself about it but we all know that won't happen. I'm assuming the 2nd and 3rd will be LB, WR or OL. Also a chance for QB. With the last five picks, I'm guessing will cover WR, LB, OL, RB and probably QB (in whatever order). If Mo is in play for a trade and it happens, that will be more picks also.
 

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I understand the argument. And I think you do have to consider need, but not if there is a big gap between one guy and the rest of your board. If the best player available is not a position of need, but he really is hands-down the best player available, an absolute stud for that draft slot, you take him.

Like I said, our scouting department is awesome at picking dlinemen...I expect to add an awesome one annually. ;)

I just wish they could do that with QBs...a position that would actually get us out of the top 20 picks...
 

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Williams will be under contract(with the 5th year option) through 2019. Assuming Mo gets a 5 year extension, his deal would expire the same year Williams would be due his big payday. Sheldon's extension(when it's time.... probably for 5 years as well) would run through 2022. We'd only be paying big money to Richardson/Williams from 2020-2022. This is easily accomplished especially with so many other deals completely off the books by 2019.
 

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Like I said, our scouting department is awesome at picking dlinemen...I expect to add an awesome one annually. ;)

I just wish they could do that with QBs...a position that would actually get us out of the top 20 picks...

Uh...doesn't pretty much the entire scouting department have one draft pick under their belts? Maccagnan got rid of the old guard.

So why would you make a blanket statement like that, when it's not even the same guys any more?
 

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Uh...doesn't pretty much the entire scouting department have one draft pick under their belts? Maccagnan got rid of the old guard.

So why would you make a blanket statement like that, when it's not even the same guys any more?

Are you sure? I thought he only changed a handful, not the entire department. I do remember 4-5 new people, but not an entire clean slate.
 

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Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 18s18 seconds ago

The #Jets didn't NEED another DLman, but they wanted @leonardwilliams. "It shows the coaches really wanted me here."


Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 1m1 minute ago

So where did the "Big Cat" nickname come from?"A lot of people say I resemble a lion," Leonard Williams said.



Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 9m9 minutes ago

Leonard Williams said he grew up liking DeMarcus Ware ... Also likes how the Texans use JJ Watt (lots of mismatches)



Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI · 11m11 minutes ago

Leonard Williams says he's always been self-motivated when it comes to playing fball. Believes passion for fball is his greatest attribute



 

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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 4h4 hours ago

Bills GM Doug Whaley on Jets' 1st-round pick Leonard Williams: "We thought the best defensive and probably the best player in the draft."



Rich Cimini @RichCimini · 2m2 minutes ago

Leonard Williams doesn't have car or driver's license. Says he didn't need one on USC campus. Needs one now. #nyj


claimed he never went to the clubs, wasnt his thing and tried to focus on school and football. Kind of cool, actually...but glad that wasnt my college experience. :)
 

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Are you sure? I thought he only changed a handful, not the entire department. I do remember 4-5 new people, but not an entire clean slate.



The top two. Director of player personnel Brian Heimerdinger, and the senior director of college scouting Rex Hogan. Area scouts are currently being evaluated with decisions on them post draft.
 

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The top two. Director of player personnel Brian Heimerdinger, and the senior director of college scouting Rex Hogan. Area scouts are currently being evaluated with decisions on them post draft.

So the guys who run the scouting department got changed, but we're going to hold them responsible for the decisions of past regimes.
 

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we were yesterday :)

They showed us yesterday that if we had a 25 year old John Elway and Jim kelly was BPA in the draft, we would select Jim Kelley...and the next year we'd draft Favre, then the next year Brady, and Marino, and just keep drafting BPA...that's what we did yesterday...the Matt Millen approach...just draft Wrs every year...we just draft dline every year and keep getting high picks...funny how that worked for him is how it has worked for us...


well no they didn't. last i checked, you can play 4 d-linemen at a time and rotate the guys even if you use a 3-4 front. doubt that works with QBs.

as to WRs, it's odd you mention that position because it really wasn't that much of a dire need. decker, marshall, kerley and amaro (a receiving TE), plus a handful of young guys meant we didn't have a dire need there. taking white (which again, i wanted) would have been adding to an already deep position. we are deeper at receiver than QB, o-line, RB, TE, LB and S. so if you are gonna get so tied up on drafting by need, then we should have not taken either a DT or a WR. we should have reached for another position.

but i guess you think reaching for need is the way to go. not sure that would make you any better of a GM than your fellow nitney lion...
 

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So the guys who run the scouting department got changed, but we're going to hold them responsible for the decisions of past regimes.

who said that? If the previous regime drafted Andrew Luck, can you not ask why the new one drafted Jamies Winston? I dont know about you, but I, personally, still think Mo and Richardson are good players, amongst the best at what they do in the entire league. I still think its fair to ask how many players we need like Wilkerson and Richardson, even if idzik or Mike T drafted Williams, id ask the same question - Wilkerson, Coples, Richardson, and Williams...how many Des do we need?
 
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have to also take into account we are looking at the college tape and his measurables

mac and bowles have private investigator reports, interviews from his past, and recent combine interviews to take into consideration.
 
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