#37 pick in 2015 NY Jets select Devin Smith WR Ohio State

[sg3]

Great


Now just slither back under the patsfags.com rock where you will be happy and everyone will agree with you that that long snapper in round five was the steal of the draft by the Genius

 

[ucrenegade]

You know what, I concede, you guys are right 100%, there are no similarities to be drawn between Devon Smith and Stephen Hill as NFL prospects. No similarities in skills or limitations, no one is drawing any comparisons about them both coming into the league with questions regarding a limited skill set, there is no question that Devon Smith's limited skill set will expand in the NFL where Hill's didn't and no one here or anywhere else is drawing any comparisons between the two at all. Everyone feel better now?

their were those questions until two things happened 1 at his pro-day he ran multiple routes to show he isn't a one trick ponie and two the jets traded for brandan marshall thus providing a way for smith to be used at hest best which is to spread the field and make long plays.

The difference is hill was supposed to come in here and be a number 1 or 2 wr like plaxico was.

so yes he had comparisons to hill before his pro-day but after that he started being more compared to desean jackson.

 

[grogan14]

their were those questions until two things happened 1 at his pro-day he ran multiple routes to show he isn't a one trick ponie and two the jets traded for brandan marshall thus providing a way for smith to be used at hest best which is to spread the field and make long plays.

The difference is hill was supposed to come in here and be a number 1 or 2 wr like plaxico was.

so yes he had comparisons to hill before his pro-day but after that he started being more compared to desean jackson.

And one pre draft article compared Stephen Hill to Demaryius Thomas as did many Jets fans, so what? Look if you guys believe a scripted pro-day answers all question on what Smith couldn't and didn't do in college, then have at it, in the end you may well be proven correct. However closing a blind eye to reality in favor of wishful thinking can prove painful. Either way at this point I could care less, but don't make this out as me just taking a dump on a Jets pick, there are correlations, similarities, and concerns about Smith, if the vocal Jets fans here choose to ignore them, so be it.

 

[sg3]

Pretty much every pre draft anything had the cheating scumbags 2nd round pick listed as a 5th rounder or worse and the cheating scumbags 5th round pick as a UDFA at best, but an excellent ensign

Discuss

 

[Football51]

I'm still waiting for the links comparing Hill/Smith. They must be difficult to find . I mean outside of both being really fast, there is no comparison considering one couldn't catch in college or the pros. Hill wasn't a one trick pony. if he was, as I said earlier, he'd still be here. He'd serve a purpose. Hill couldn't catch. I've yet to see anyone question Smith's hands, although, I'd be open to reading that link as well. I'm guessing these stories don't exist.

 

[hobson54]

You know what, I concede, you guys are right 100%, there are no similarities to be drawn between Devon Smith and Stephen Hill as NFL prospects. No similarities in skills or limitations, no one is drawing any comparisons about them both coming into the league with questions regarding a limited skill set, there is no question that Devon Smith's limited skill set will expand in the NFL where Hill's didn't and no one here or anywhere else is drawing any comparisons between the two at all. Everyone feel better now?

how about you answer my questions...do you really think that if the pats drafted devin smith, that you would have compared him to stephen hill? if any of the other 31 teams drafted him, no one would have mentioned stephen hill.

now none of that means he's guaranteed to succeed, or to use your jargon "go to the hall of fame", but it is a fact that the only reason you make the stephen hill comparison is because hill was a failed jets draft pick. i note the article you posted here to show an example of someone else saying stephen hill also mentioned desean jackson. how come you didn't compare him to desean jackson???

 

[OCCH]

I'm still waiting for the links comparing Hill/Smith. They must be difficult to find . I mean outside of both being really fast, there is no comparison considering one couldn't catch in college or the pros. Hill wasn't a one trick pony. if he was, as I said earlier, he'd still be here. He'd serve a purpose. Hill couldn't catch. I've yet to see anyone question Smith's hands, although, I'd be open to reading that link as well. I'm guessing these stories don't exist.

To me, the biggest difference between the two players is Stephen Hill had the POTENTIAL to be a one-trick pony (based on physical criteria), but hadn't done near enough in college to actually earn the label.

Smith has already proven he has the one-trick down -- now we just have to see where he can go from there.

I have no problem acknowledging Smith has something to prove -- ALL draft picks do. But there are a million examples of failed speedsters Smith could be connected to that would be MUCH more accurate than Stephen Hill . . .

 

[grogan14]

how about you answer my questions...do you really think that if the pats drafted devin smith, that you would have compared him to stephen hill? if any of the other 31 teams drafted him, no one would have mentioned stephen hill.

now none of that means he's guaranteed to succeed, or to use your jargon "go to the hall of fame", but it is a fact that the only reason you make the stephen hill comparison is because hill was a failed jets draft pick. i note the article you posted here to show an example of someone else saying stephen hill also mentioned desean jackson. how come you didn't compare him to desean jackson???

Hobson there's no point in continuing this, the majority here will never concede that there are any similarities between the two as prospects, or any level concern regarding Smith's transition into being a great NFL WR. It's a forgone conclusion and even if it doesn't turn out that way, you will see the threads about "how he needs time to develop and that he was never expected to contribute right away." It's a no win argument but because you have always been fair to me, I'll answer your specific question about if the Pats had drafted him. I can only speak for me, but I would be very nervous had the Pats taken him. Leading up to the draft, out of all the premier Wr prospects, he was the one that raised the most questions with me, why, because no matter who picks him, he is being drafted for what it's hoped he "will be able to do", not what he's proven he can do, and that's a huge risk especially that high for any team. It's a risk with any draft pick, but when you a drafting a guy that high with the hope of him being able to do something he never proved he could do very well in college, then you are doubling the risk in my opinion. Second, you can draft a lot a guys that have great deep speed and can go get a ball down field, but if that's you're only real skill as WR, your not lasting long in the NFL. If you don't believe me just look at the % of deep balls completed or even attempted per game in the NFL, it's a very small percentage to begin with. If you end up with a guy that really can't run routes, break off routes on timing, or sight, then he's not going to be a very good player for you.

 

[Superman55]

Hobson there's no point in continuing this, the majority here will never concede that there are any similarities between the two as prospects or any level concern regarding Smith's transition into being a great NFL WR. It's a forgone conclusion and even if it doesn't turn out that way, you will see the threads about "how he needs time to develop and that he was never expected to contribute right away." It's a no win argument but because you have always been fair to me, I'll answer your specific question about if the Pats had drafted him. I can only speak for me, but I would be very nervous had the Pats taken him. Leading up to the draft, out of all the premier Wr prospects, he was the one that raised the most questions with me, why, because no matter who picks him, he is being drafted for what it's hoped he "will be able to do", not what he's proven he can do, and that's a huge risk especially that high for any team. It's a risk with any draft pick, but when you a drafting a guy that high with the hope of him being able to do something he never proved he could do very well in college, then you are doubling the risk in my opinion. Second, you can draft a lot a guys that have great deep speed and can go get a ball down field, but if that's you're only real skill as WR, your not lasting long in the NFL. If you don't believe me just look at the % of deep balls completed or even attempted per game in the NFL, it's a very small percentage to begin with. If you end up with a guy that really can't run routes, break off routes on timing, or sight, then he's not going to be a very good player for you.

your article you posted didn't concede it either...your 1 example of a scout's comparison of Smith to Stephen Hill ultimately had the same scout calling him the next DeSean Jackson as his final evaluation...

It also funny how your last sentence says everything we have to worry about when it comes to Smith...but the previous scouting report you posted says he's great in all those same areas...weird.

I wonder if you ever made a single point on this thread outside of the fact you're a...

 

[SackExchange]

What it comes down to is this - what might have been a sketchy pick for the Pats could be a good pick for the Jets, and vice versa.

The Jets needed someone who could stretch the field and open up the offense for the ground game, Amaro, and Decker. Smith fits that role. He is the deep threat. Maybe he's a one-trick pony, but it's a damn good trick, and one the Jets desperately needed. It's not much different from drafting an edge rush specialist. Combine Smith's deep threat capability with the drafting of Petty, who threw the most passes over 20 yards of all QB draft prospects, and Smith's pick makes sense.

On the Pats, the pick might not make as much sense, because the Pats' system is premised on checkdowns, dump-offs, and slants. Very, very seldom do the Pats really stretch the field. They already have an effective short passing game, so Smith might not have fit as well there.

So, yes, what's a good pick for the Jets might not be a good pick for the Pats.

Or, we just use blind hindsight, and say all the Pats' picks were great because they were picked by the Pats, and all the Jets' picks have huge question marks because the Jets took them.

 

[hobson54]

Hobson there's no point in continuing this, the majority here will never concede that there are any similarities between the two as prospects, or any level concern regarding Smith's transition into being a great NFL WR. It's a forgone conclusion and even if it doesn't turn out that way, you will see the threads about "how he needs time to develop and that he was never expected to contribute right away." It's a no win argument but because you have always been fair to me, I'll answer your specific question about if the Pats had drafted him. I can only speak for me, but I would be very nervous had the Pats taken him. Leading up to the draft, out of all the premier Wr prospects, he was the one that raised the most questions with me, why, because no matter who picks him, he is being drafted for what it's hoped he "will be able to do", not what he's proven he can do, and that's a huge risk especially that high for any team. It's a risk with any draft pick, but when you a drafting a guy that high with the hope of him being able to do something he never proved he could do very well in college, then you are doubling the risk in my opinion. Second, you can draft a lot a guys that have great deep speed and can go get a ball down field, but if that's you're only real skill as WR, your not lasting long in the NFL. If you don't believe me just look at the % of deep balls completed or even attempted per game in the NFL, it's a very small percentage to begin with. If you end up with a guy that really can't run routes, break off routes on timing, or sight, then he's not going to be a very good player for you.

thanks for the answer. to be honest, i share some of the same concerns. i've noted smith wasn't my preferred choice of WR, and not because of an anti-osu bias.

i just thought the stephen hill comparison was lazy by taking a bust jets draft pick who had some similarities in their game. but hill was much rawer and doesn't have the ball skills that smith has shown. again, this doesn't mean smith will be successful, i just didn't see it as an apt comparison to hill, who was in big part a combine warrior who couldn't catch...smith has shown he has game speed (at least in college) and is good at tracking balls and making adjustments to the ball in the air...things hill never showed in college or the pros.

 

[SackExchange]

Hill really never had to show he could go vertical for a deep ball and beat out a DB when he was in college. Most often, he got open because of play action, secondaries cheating the run.

The Hill comparison is very lazy. Different body types, different skill sets. Both had deep threat capabilities, but that's about where the comparisons end.

 

[grogan14]

thanks for the answer. to be honest, i share some of the same concerns. i've noted smith wasn't my preferred choice of WR, and not because of an anti-osu bias.

i just thought the stephen hill comparison was lazy by taking a bust jets draft pick who had some similarities in their game. but hill was much rawer and doesn't have the ball skills that smith has shown. again, this doesn't mean smith will be successful, i just didn't see it as an apt comparison to hill, who was in big part a combine warrior who couldn't catch...smith has shown he has game speed (at least in college) and is good at tracking balls and making adjustments to the ball in the air...things hill never showed in college or the pros.

Well said, but for the record I don't think any comparison used by me to illustrate "concerns regarding Smith" would make a difference to most in this thread. Unless I'm saying "Smith is a sure fired Hall of Famer", I'm a troll just trashing a Jets pick by those that can't read or don't want to.

 

[Football51]

grogan, check your pm.

 

[SackExchange]

Well said, but for the record I don't think any comparison used by me to illustrate "concerns regarding Smith" would make a difference to most in this thread. Unless I'm saying "Smith is a sure fired Hall of Famer", I'm a troll just trashing a Jets pick by those that can't read or don't want to.

You really don't know anything about Jets fans if you make a comment like that.

 

[Football51]

Emily Ries @EmRies22 · 20m20 minutes ago

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[jets82]

You know very well that it was an expression Hobson. Let me say this, many professional scouts, as well as off the street football fans have stated the similarities between Smith and Hill, both in physical skills as well as an overall NFL prospects. Are they exactly the same? No, I even stated I believe Smith is a more polished prospect an thus should have a better chance of making the transition to the NFL then Hill did. That said there are those here that are clearly viewing him as a sure fire prospect no matter what and just so I'm clear, I think that view point is stupid and short sighted. That's really all I have to say on the matter, yet you get guys like 55 and Sg3 that try and twist it around because 1. They can't stand the thought of another Stephen Hill "rightfully so, and 2. Believe a Patriot fan is attacking one of their binky's.

Wait a minute, am I reading this correct that you are a Patriots fan? Are you seriously coming on our board debating with us as to one of our players who has nothing to do with you? This is not even a scout /JI board that all fans share together to a certain extent. This is a totally separate Jets fans board with no connection to any other team, if I'm correct. So why are coming on our board debating anything with us? How did you even find this board anyway? It's a free country so do what you want but why this?

Doesn't matter if your point is right or wrong, what's the point on making it here? I could understand a little better if you did that on scout where the teams are all connected but this one? Wow dude, your really reaching here and frankly embarrassing yourself, IMHOO. If your not a Pats fan and I read your post wrong then figure me but if you are, you should be ashamed dude. I hope no Jets fans are going to a Pats or any team fan board that is totally separate from any other team and doing this. If you are, you should have your Jets fan card revoked.

 

[OCCH]

Wait a minute, am I reading this correct that you are a Patriots fan? Are you seriously coming on our board debating with us as to one of our players who has nothing to do with you? This is not even a scout /JI board that all fans share together to a certain extent. This is a totally separate Jets fans board with no connection to any other team, if I'm correct. So why are coming on our board debating anything with us? How did you even find this board anyway? It's a free country so do what you want but why this?

Doesn't matter if your point is right or wrong, what's the point on making it here? I could understand a little better if you did that on scout where the teams are all connected but this one? Wow dude, your really reaching here and frankly embarrassing yourself, IMHOO. If your not a Pats fan and I read your post wrong then figure me but if you are, you should be ashamed dude. I hope no Jets fans are going to a Pats or any team fan board that is totally separate from any other team and doing this. If you are, you should have your Jets fan card revoked.

Apparently you don't know who Grogan is?

Might want to Google the name . . .

 

[SackExchange]

Wait a minute, am I reading this correct that you are a Patriots fan? Are you seriously coming on our board debating with us as to one of our players who has nothing to do with you? This is not even a scout /JI board that all fans share together to a certain extent. This is a totally separate Jets fans board with no connection to any other team, if I'm correct. So why are coming on our board debating anything with us? How did you even find this board anyway? It's a free country so do what you want but why this?

Doesn't matter if your point is right or wrong, what's the point on making it here? I could understand a little better if you did that on scout where the teams are all connected but this one? Wow dude, your really reaching here and frankly embarrassing yourself, IMHOO. If your not a Pats fan and I read your post wrong then figure me but if you are, you should be ashamed dude. I hope no Jets fans are going to a Pats or any team fan board that is totally separate from any other team and doing this. If you are, you should have your Jets fan card revoked.

That grogan14 thinks that 55 is some blind partisan Jets fan shows how little he actually pays attention. There are few posters on the board as critical of the Jets as 55 is.

grogan simply doesn't bother to pay attention. He just acts like every Jets fan here defends everything the Jets do, because that's the world in which he lives. He never questions the Patriots, so he acts like all Jets fans are as simple-minded and blind as he is.

 

[Superman55]

That grogan14 thinks that 55 is some blind partisan Jets fan shows how little he actually pays attention. There are few posters on the board as critical of the Jets as 55 is.

grogan simply doesn't bother to pay attention. He just acts like every Jets fan here defends everything the Jets do, because that's the world in which he lives. He never questions the Patriots, so he acts like all Jets fans are as simple-minded and blind as he is.

Me? As SG3, I approve of every decision the Jets make...and John Idzik is my favorite all time GM.