Ah Oh----Wilkerson no show for OTA's

[Superman55]

Do you believe Wilkerson is asking for Watt money? The only people who has said that are the idiots on this board. Watt makes 51, Suh makes 59, and reports are, true or not, Wilkerson is asking for 40...

...I havent seen anyone report Wilkerson wants Watt money. Just googled it...nothing...

One thing is for sure...Sheldon Richardson will be asking for more money than JJ Watt. Write that down. Save it. Hang it from the heavens.

Sheldon Richardson in November: Mo Wilkerson is better than JJ Watt....I'm better than both of them.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24245220/sheldon-richardson-wilkerson-is-better-than-watt-im-better-than-both

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

i see this repeated over and over that is seems to be taken as gospel, but can you point to where it says mo is asking for jj watt money? while your at it, can you tell me where skipping VOLUNTARY OTAs is considered holding out. when he misses something mandatory, then perhaps we can call it a holdout.

Semantics, we all know the OTA's are not mandatory, but coaches are hoping for perfect attendance, especially a new coach implementing a new system. Its disappointing that Wilkerson is a no-show and lets not pretend that it isn't.

As for the Watt thing, we don't know that for sure, but thats been widely reported and usually where there's smoke there is fire. Whatever it is, its clear his demands are unreasonable because Mac and Woody have publicly stated they want to re-sign Mo, but it has to make sense for the franchise too. Translation, he's asking for way too much in their view, and I'm assuming they know he's worth a lot, so he much be asking for a REALLY LOT.

 

[Superman55]

Semantics, we all know the OTA's are not mandatory, but coaches are hoping for perfect attendance, especially a new coach implementing a new system. Its disappointing that Wilkerson is a no-show and lets not pretend that it isn't.

As for the Watt thing, we don't know that for sure, but thats been widely reported and usually where there's smoke there is fire. Whatever it is, its clear his demands are unreasonable because Mac and Woody have publicly stated they want to re-sign Mo, but it has to make sense for the franchise too. Translation, he's asking for way too much in their view, and I'm assuming they know he's worth a lot, so he much be asking for a REALLY LOT.

I havent seen 1 report let alone "widely reported"....

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I'm not worried at all about this. Until appearances become mandatory, they can play these games all they want. This is a common negotiation/"send a message" technique that players and agents use all the time.

Even if Mo were moved in a trade, the Jets would get a big return for him, and they're well stocked on the line to absorb a hit like that. The Jets are holding all the cards, and team Wilkerson knows it.

 

[SackExchange]

do you really think that the drafted williams as a negotiating tactic? could it not be that as macc said before the draft, they will take the best player available at [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6]#6 [/URL] ?

if the drafted kevin white, would you be supportive of brandon marshall if he skipped mini-camp by wanting more guaranteed money? i mean they would clearly be drafting white as a negotiating tactic, wouldn't they? getting marshall's replacement just weeks after trading for the guy.

I know you wanted White, hobson, but you are reasonable enough to see that taking the best rated player in the draft at the #6 spot is a lot more than a negotiating tactic.

How do you even try to debate with someone so unreasonable, and so convinced of his own opinion?

 

[Superman55]

I know you wanted White, hobson, but you are reasonable enough to see that taking the best rated player in the draft at the #6 spot is a lot more than a negotiating tactic.

How do you even try to debate with someone so unreasonable, and so convinced of his own opinion?

Does that make me unique on this site?

Pretty sure you and the Idzik brotherhood didnt change your mind until after the season and kept playing on the Titanic till the end.

There is a rock throwing glass house analogy here that may be appropriate.

 

[SackExchange]

Does that make me unique on this site?

No, but I do not know of anyone on this site who holds his opinion in as high a regard as you do.

 

[Superman55]

I'm not worried at all about this. Until appearances become mandatory, they can play these games all they want. This is a common negotiation/"send a message" technique that players and agents use all the time.

Even if Mo were moved in a trade, the Jets would get a big return for him, and they're well stocked on the line to absorb a hit like that. The Jets are holding all the cards, and team Wilkerson knows it.

dont you want a deal to get done to end the drama and get him working in the new system? I just dont think having a team captain/leader out under a new regime is a good look.

 

[Superman55]

No, but I do not know of anyone on this site who holds his opinion in as high a regard as you do.

I take that as a compliment. Thanks, Sack.

 

[Football51]

I take that as a compliment. Thanks, Sack.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I havent seen 1 report let alone "widely reported"....

Can't recall where I read it, but I saw as recently as this morning where Woody or Mac suggested they are fully prepared to tear up his existing contract and give Wilkerson a new deal, but he has to come down from his current demands and right now the two sides are widely apart. Granted it didn't specifically say he is asking for JJ Watt money, but thats been speculated and IMO its implied in the statements Woody and Mac have made to the press. Implied because they have to know he's worth about 12 million per, so IMO they have to be prepared to give him about that much, therefore widely apart suggests he is asking for closer to 16 million which is JJ Watt money.

 

[hobson54]

Semantics, we all know the OTA's are not mandatory, but coaches are hoping for perfect attendance, especially a new coach implementing a new system. Its disappointing that Wilkerson is a no-show and lets not pretend that it isn't.

As for the Watt thing, we don't know that for sure, but thats been widely reported and usually where there's smoke there is fire. Whatever it is, its clear his demands are unreasonable because Mac and Woody have publicly stated they want to re-sign Mo, but it has to make sense for the franchise too. Translation, he's asking for way too much in their view, and I'm assuming they know he's worth a lot, so he much be asking for a REALLY LOT.

well you used the word holding out. he's not holding out. you can call it semantics, but there is a big, big difference between skipping voluntary OTAs and holding out from camp.

as to his contract demands, you seem to have taken a leap from mo asking for more than macc is apparently willing to pay to mo asking for jj watt money. if (for argument's sake) macc is offering $35MM g'teed, mo is asking for $40MM g'teed and watt got over $50MM g'teed, that's a big difference.

obviously none of us know what either side is asking for since we aren't party to the negotiations. but i'm not sure it's fair to just keep stating mo is asking for watt money when that isn't known, but then this "rumor" just gets repeated until it seems to taken as gospel.

 

[Superman55]

The math will have to be super creative. We are already up against next year's cap (we don't even have room for next year's draft class). I know we can cut Cro and some others and free up space, but the jets don't have room to tag Wilk next year, so hopefully negotiations are dragging as we develop creative accounting and payouts.

 

[Football51]

The math will have to be super creative. We are already up against next year's cap (we don't even have room for next year's draft class). I know we can cut Cro and some others and free up space, but the jets don't have room to tag Wilk next year, so hopefully negotiations are dragging as we develop creative accounting and payouts.

That's not exactly accurate. The cap is supposedly going to surpass $150 mil in 2016. Here's what we have so far. By the way, if we resign Mo, I believe Coples(who had his option picked up for 2016) will be traded. That will save $7 mil+.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets

 

[Superman55]

That's not exactly accurate. The cap is supposedly going to surpass $150 mil in 2016. Here's what we have so far. By the way, if we resign Mo, I believe Coples(who had his option picked up for 2016) will be traded. That will save $7 mil+.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets

Send him back to NC! They can use him.

 

[Football51]

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/05/what_does_darrelle_revis_think_about_mo_wilkerson.html

 

[Oraelo]

when you already have equivalent talent at that same position who then walks out the door due to the addition...that leads to 0 improvement to the roster...and that's if Williams is as good as Wilkerson...that's TBD.

If you have 26 year old jerry rice, then draft 22 year old Michael Irvin, then you trade Jerry Rice because you added Michael Irvin in the draft...are you really any better now that you have Irvin instead of Rice?

That's all great to hear, but no one has been traded and the CS and owner have both said that the plan is to keep Mo. So again, how does this not improve the roster?

 

[OCCH]

when you already have equivalent talent at that same position who then walks out the door due to the addition...that leads to 0 improvement to the roster...and that's if Williams is as good as Wilkerson...that's TBD.

If you have 26 year old jerry rice, then draft 22 year old Michael Irvin, then you trade Jerry Rice because you added Michael Irvin in the draft...are you really any better now that you have Irvin instead of Rice?

You've referred to Mo as Aaron Rodgers and Jerry Rice.

Let's just say not all fans think he's the best player to ever man his position, and while he's certainly worth keeping, I'm glad our FO doesn't value him the way you apparently do . . .

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

dont you want a deal to get done to end the drama and get him working in the new system? I just dont think having a team captain/leader out under a new regime is a good look.

The Jets are under no current immediate deadline to extend Wilkerson. Of course I want him back for a long time, but I cannot fault the team for not being in a hurry over this. Players are always saying "it's just business". Well, there you go.

I'm still leaning heavily towards an extension before this becomes too hairy.

 

[Superman55]

You've referred to Mo as Aaron Rodgers and Jerry Rice.

Let's just say not all fans think he's the best player to ever man his position, and while he's certainly worth keeping, I'm glad our FO doesn't value him the way you apparently do . . .

Well, the top 3 3-4 DEs in the entire NFL right now are watt, Wilkerson, and Richardson. Wilkerson grades out the #1 de in all of football vs the run.

If you are top 3 at your position in the NFL...you're pretty good. Maybe not All time Reggie white good, but he isn't in the league right now...

So we have a guy only 1 team has a better player at his position...that's a serious asset no matter how you want to minimize it.

Btw, the only defensive lineman at any position better against the run for the second year in a row than Wilkerson...is snacks.

Not that facts would mean anything in this debate...