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Great post. I agree, except if Geno bombs the preseason and Fitz looks like an efficient, accurate, consistent game manager we need, I'm okay with going Week 1 with Fitz.
Now if it's close, I think they start with Geno.
The other thing to consider is Fitz is still building up the lower body strength from his injuries last year. it was referenced several times during camp his lower body strength prevented him from driving sideline passes. gambling with Geno with a quick hook for a continuing to rehab Fitzpatrick may be our best bet anyway. We give Geno one more shot and give Fitz 1-2 more weeks to get to 100%.
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I agree, if the competition is close, because of age, and upside, I go with Smith. If it's true that Fitz isn't ready yet then I'm also good with Smith getting the bulk of he reps at the start of camp. I just don't want to see Smith handed the job, with Fitz not getting any reps with the 1's if there really is a QB competition.
Have no personal interest in the players. I root for the laundry. Just want to see the best players play
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Mainejet
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So I try to be polite to you and your response is to be a smart A$$?
Your "polite" way of "spelling it out for him" probably just went over his head.........
Serious questions. If the Jets are 0-4 and Geno has something like 3 TDs and 7 Ints do You think he is the starer after the bye week? If he is not the starter is 4 games a short leash in your opinion? It is in mine. I am not saying or hoping it happens but it could.
Were they all blowouts? Close games? If we are 0-4, we likely have much larger issues than just Geno playing bad. We have a much better team, and what should be an elite defense than the previous two on paper and while that TD/INT ration is bad, it is likely not the sole reason we have the record. With our defense Geno's 7 ints, unless they were all pick 6s likely did not lead to 7 touchdowns by the opposition, so the team would have to be really bad in other areas as well.
Factor in the fact we are running a new offense and a new defense, Bowles has stated himself he does not expect the offense we are installing to be competitive until week 2 or 3 of preseason. Sheldon is suspended, and the defense will not be 100% perfect either in the first four games.
Also realize that whatever issues we are having on offense have an additional week to be ironed out.
In your scenario with better weapons, a better offense that Gailey has said is specifically designed for him, and a better team overall, you have Geno performing even worse than he did his first two seasons. That is just super unlikely. He was bad last year but clearly was better. It is unrealistic to think that Geno would perform that bad.
But it is possible. However, even if that happened I think it would be incredibly unlikely that they would move away from Geno after only 4 games. If that was a real possibility they would not be giving him the support he is getting. That is not to say that all the media and some fans hear would be out of their minds badgering Bowles about sitting Geno, and Geno bashing would be at an all time high, but I just do not see even in this scenario them sitting him after 4 games. Gailey has stated it will not be a short leash, and regardless of Bowles lip service to competition in camp I think they see something in Geno and are committed to it.
My questions only needed simple yes or no answers. Sorry I wasted yours and my time asking it. .
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If Geno is Geno and the odds are American Pharoah - like IMO that Geno will be Geno, the Jets will be 3-1 or better because Bowles and Maccagnan are not stupid and the leash will be used to end the 2 year Geno QB error before game ONE
Thanks, I thought that would be your answer and although I disagree I respect your right feel that way. None of us are experts and we all have a right to our own opinions.
Not necessarily what I think, it is my reasoned thought based on Bowles and Gailey's comments and they seem to be pretty committed to Geno. Bowles even said Geno would not lose the spot in practice and would get 100% first team reps. In my view, those statements don't align with any sort of quick hook.
I may be viewed as a Geno supporter, but really I am not. I have serious concerns he will never be the guy but on the other hand recognize he is our best long term solution right now and want to see him get a legitimate chance under the new regime. I do truly believe the environment he was in would damage and hold back any QB. Having a mediocre season with Fitz is a non-solution in my view even if it were to make the season more enjoyable
Very good post and I agree completely that if we are 0-4 then we have serious issues and not just at QB, however, where we differ is that we'll keep Geno in there. Just for the sake of creating a spark, he'll be put on the bench unless he's lighting it up.
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Agree
Better for Jet fans to watch a third consecutive failed season of Geno than replace him with a better alternative
Definitely the choice for Maccagnan, Bowles and Gailey if getting fired is their goal
Better for Jet fans to watch a third consecutive failed season of Geno than replace him with a better alternative
Definitely the choice for Maccagnan, Bowles and Gailey if getting fired is their goal
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flgreen
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Then there will be planes over practice again. If the Jets are 0-4 and Smith has 3 TD's and 7 picks and starts week 6, For myself hockey season will start very early this year. This is really sad because I don't think the Rangers are going to be good next season.
There is a reason one of the first things the Jets did after signing Gailey, was to sign Fitz. I think the truth is somewhere between what you and sg3 are saying.
Smith is going to get his shot, but he'd better perform or Gailey's old friend Fitz will be coming out of the bull pen.
IMO if the Jets are 2-2, and Smith has 3 TD and 7 picks he get the hook
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It's going to be nip and tuck in the preseason games. Piecing together all of the information presented by the CS, here is what I gather:
1) Geno is going to work with the 1st team.
2) Fitz is going to work with the 2nd team.
3) However, in normal rotations all of the rest of the QB's will get an opportunity with all or at least a portion of the 1st team.
The 3rd point is where the competition comes in. During the preseason games the 1st team may not retire at the exact same time in play that Geno Smith does. In fact, that's a normal thing throughout many coaching staffs of the Jets. Mangini did it. Rex did it. It's not uncommon.
So because Geno has all of the dynamic playmakers on the 1st team, he'll be able to produce for the most part. He still won't be able to read through progressions when facing gameday defense. But it will appear as though he can when facing vanilla and predictable defenses.
Fitz, on the other hand, will have guys like Devin Smith, and various other players competing for starter spots with the 2nd team. I'm fairly confident that Fitz will be able to make the most of his chances. He may look lights out. In fact, I think that is how he'll look. But once again this is against very vanilla and predictable NFL defenses. NO defense is going to tip their hands with what their capable of during the preseason.
All in all, it will be a tough decision for the CS. But for face value Fitz is clearly the best QB on this team. He has far more experience and much more respectable numbers. He SHOULD be the opening day starter. If Geno starts it shows that Todd Bowles is wet behind the ears and willing to gamble his future on a clear loser.
But it should be noted that this season will not be pretty from a QB standpoint. BOTH QB's are at best backups in this league. They are not cut out to be starters. History has proven that with both players. Their numbers suggest they are not suited to be starters.
So at least from the QB spot, this season is about which QB can hold the fort down until we figure out if Bryce Petty is the real deal ro do we need to draft another top QB talent. Either way, Geno or Fitz will be relinquishing their starter jobs.
1) Geno is going to work with the 1st team.
2) Fitz is going to work with the 2nd team.
3) However, in normal rotations all of the rest of the QB's will get an opportunity with all or at least a portion of the 1st team.
The 3rd point is where the competition comes in. During the preseason games the 1st team may not retire at the exact same time in play that Geno Smith does. In fact, that's a normal thing throughout many coaching staffs of the Jets. Mangini did it. Rex did it. It's not uncommon.
So because Geno has all of the dynamic playmakers on the 1st team, he'll be able to produce for the most part. He still won't be able to read through progressions when facing gameday defense. But it will appear as though he can when facing vanilla and predictable defenses.
Fitz, on the other hand, will have guys like Devin Smith, and various other players competing for starter spots with the 2nd team. I'm fairly confident that Fitz will be able to make the most of his chances. He may look lights out. In fact, I think that is how he'll look. But once again this is against very vanilla and predictable NFL defenses. NO defense is going to tip their hands with what their capable of during the preseason.
All in all, it will be a tough decision for the CS. But for face value Fitz is clearly the best QB on this team. He has far more experience and much more respectable numbers. He SHOULD be the opening day starter. If Geno starts it shows that Todd Bowles is wet behind the ears and willing to gamble his future on a clear loser.
But it should be noted that this season will not be pretty from a QB standpoint. BOTH QB's are at best backups in this league. They are not cut out to be starters. History has proven that with both players. Their numbers suggest they are not suited to be starters.
So at least from the QB spot, this season is about which QB can hold the fort down until we figure out if Bryce Petty is the real deal ro do we need to draft another top QB talent. Either way, Geno or Fitz will be relinquishing their starter jobs.
All I known is the oline may stay on with Fitz here and there, but Marshall, Decker, Mangold, and Brick better be on a short preseason leash. Some players we can't risk over a fan made QB battle.
Lol, there is no QB battle. Instead of coming up with all these scenarios for Geno to fail why don't people think of ways he might succeed. It is what it is.
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Mainejet
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What you just posted is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that even vaguely resembled a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
That's the only way I can respond to someone who thinks that a QB competition is being drummed up by Jets fans and the CS is giving into it. What's even worse is that the response attempts to make fun by saying somehow Jets fans are guilty of making Geno Smith fail.
Via Todd Bowles words himself, Fitz has a chance to win the starting job. That constitutes a QB competition whether you think it does or not.
Jets fans have nothing to do with Geno Smith's poor play. Geno Smith being in this predicament is 100% his own fault. Fans rant about his poor play and they have every right to do just that. They still root for their team and they care that it is run in such a manner that it will succeed.
Maybe I'm wrong but the way I read 55s post he is saying there is no real QB battle and he thinks important players on O should be protected and they should take a seat along with Geno when he does.