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[OCCH]

SUPER UNIT, the least understood draft philosophy of drafting to your strength and creating a Super Unit.

I'm a proponent of the Super Unit philosophy, but WR is at the bottom of my list of positions where I'd want one. It's just too dependent on having a competent QB. I'll gladly take Cooper if that's who we pick (not as high on White), but would rather see LB, QB, or even OL (I know they wouldn't go there at 6) before WR.

I'd say my order is:

1) DL
2) OL
3) LB
4) CB
5) S
6) RB (now that it's more of a committee position)
7) WR

 

[Jet Setter]

BPA is a myth. Those who claim a team is drafting solely on BPA, are lying or misguided. It's inaccurate.

No team is ever truly selecting BPA. The caveat is always that you exclude positions where you have either a strong starter, high dollars invested, or both. No one can possibly claim the Colts are going to draft a QB with their 1st round pick. Or that the Jets will draft a 3-4 DE or CB with their 1st. Not happening. BPA is not about who's simply highest on your board. All draft picks carry a number of factors in making a decision for each pick. That's the reality.

BPA is used by boring media members (and fans) who try to sound smart. Nothing more.

 

[JetsMakeMeCry]

Three reasons, blind:

1. Kerley is okay, but IMO he's a better #4 and second slot WR than #3 and first slot WR.

2. Sticking to your value board and taking Cooper or White if they are the Best Available Players (BPA) on your board.

3. SUPER UNIT, the least understood draft philosophy of drafting to your strength and creating a Super Unit.

If we can't upgrade the qb position itself, we need to make it way easier for the mediocre ones we have to succeed. You do that by surrounding them with an obscene amount of talent. I agree with WR if available. Cooper is a must if available. I feel like he could be the best player in this draft.

 

[Superman55]

Dwayne Bowe was released by KC not sure if that was mentioned by anyone in this thread. Thought he was a good player but his career was ruined by the crappy QB play in KC.

i heard cleveland may make a run.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

BPA is a myth. Those who claim a team is drafting solely on BPA, are lying or misguided. It's inaccurate.

No team is ever truly selecting BPA. The caveat is always that you exclude positions where you have either a strong starter, high dollars invested, or both. No one can possibly claim the Colts are going to draft a QB with their 1st round pick. Or that the Jets will draft a 3-4 DE or CB with their 1st. Not happening. BPA is not about who's simply highest on your board. All draft picks carry a number of factors in making a decision for each pick. That's the reality.

BPA is used by boring media members (and fans) who try to sound smart. Nothing more.

I agree that there is no such thing as BPA in the strictest sense. I mean there is such a thing, but I agree that no team is wedded to BPA in that sense. Whenever I use the term, just for future reference, I am always referring to BPA not in the strictest sense, but within reason.

IOW's you are correct that I'm not drafting the highest rated player on my board if its a QB, and I already have a franchise QB. Nobody is doing that because you can't play more than one QB and you don't want to if the one you have is any good, so there's no point in drafting another one. The same is true if you have two all-pro tackles, there's no point in drafting a tackle because you can only play two and you already have an all-pro at each tackle position. But where you can play multiple players, then you can take the BPA even if its not a need per say, and that would be BPA within reason. Its not a need, in fact you have much bigger needs elsewhere, but if you take the BPA you can get him plenty of playing time regardless, in that case I'll seriously consider the BPA because its not unreasonable to take him.

Now lets take WR as an example. We already have Decker and Marshall, two upper echelon receivers, but you can play a base 3-WR offense, plenty of teams do, and Jeremy Kerley is not a good enough reason for me to pass on Cooper or White if they are clearly the BPA at 6. Of course if you see equal value at a position of greater need, then its easy to take the combination of need and value, but if the WR carries a higher grade on my board, then I would be reluctant to take the greater need and the lesser value. I might do it, but it wouldn't be an easy call and ultimately it may prove unwise as well, and you'll have a hard time forgiving yourself because YOU KNEW the other guy was better.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Assuming we don't lose Snacks, this defense is now an elite edge rusher away from having a real chance to be the #1 ranked defense in the league. With our D-line and DB's, and a pair of pretty good inside backers, and Coples off one edge, you add one of these elite edge rushers in the draft and watch out!

 

[Superman55]

Titans reach a deal with Washington’s Brian Orakpo

Posted by Darin Gantt on March 13, 2015, 7:06 AM EDT
Brian Orakpo
AP
Welp, time to update the Free Agent Hot 100 again.

One of the few remaining impact players remaining in free agency has changed teams, with Washington outside linebacker Brian Orakpo agreeing to a deal with the Titans, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

The Titans were working hard to get a deal while Orakpo was visiting, before he was able to go look around (specifically Arizona).

If they can keep him healthy, they should get the pressure they need, since Derrick Morgan is making the rounds himself.

The 28-year-old Orakpo had 38.5 sacks in his four healthy seasons in the nation’s capital, but two of his last three seasons ended on IR, including last year for a torn pectoral muscle.



Titans lock up another rusher, keep Derrick Morgan

Posted by Darin Gantt on March 13, 2015, 8:07 AM EDT
Jonathan Grimes, Derrick Morgan
AP
The Titans are busy this morning, and the free agent pass-rush market is effectively dead.

According to Mike Garafolo of FOX Sports, the Titans have agreed to terms on a deal to retain outside linebacker Derrick Morgan.

The deal’s worth a a maximum of $30 million over four years, with a base value of $27 million and $10.5 million guaranteed.

This, coming moments after a four-year, $32 million deal with Washington’s Brian Orako ($13.5 million guaranteed) does several things.

One, it sets the Titans up on pass-rushers, checking off one of their biggest offseason boxes.

Two, it means the Marcus Mariota-to-Tennessee train is just going to gain steam, as they no longer have to find someone to apply pressure with the second overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft.

But third, it effectively kills the quarterback-chaser market around the league.

Only Carolina’s Greg Hardy remains, and with the cloud of looming league punishment over him, few teams have even been willing to acknowledge that a 15.0-sack guy from 2013 might help them.

The Raiders and Jaguars seem interested, but the market is dried up, and anyone else looking for sacks is either going to have to go with the old and infirm (Mathias Kiwanuka, Osi Umenyiora, etc.) or wait until draft weekend.

 

[AFA2017]

Sorry all. classroom time. Need to teach. I'll check back later.

 

[Superman55]

Sorry all. classroom time. Need to teach. I'll check back later.

New York Jets 2015 1.0 to begin. Good luck! Let me know if you need a guest speaker.

 

[Jet Setter]

Titans reach a deal with Washington’s Brian Orakpo

Posted by Darin Gantt on March 13, 2015, 7:06 AM EDT
Brian Orakpo
AP
Welp, time to update the Free Agent Hot 100 again.

One of the few remaining impact players remaining in free agency has changed teams, with Washington outside linebacker Brian Orakpo agreeing to a deal with the Titans, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

The Titans were working hard to get a deal while Orakpo was visiting, before he was able to go look around (specifically Arizona).

If they can keep him healthy, they should get the pressure they need, since Derrick Morgan is making the rounds himself.

The 28-year-old Orakpo had 38.5 sacks in his four healthy seasons in the nation’s capital, but two of his last three seasons ended on IR, including last year for a torn pectoral muscle.



Titans lock up another rusher, keep Derrick Morgan

Posted by Darin Gantt on March 13, 2015, 8:07 AM EDT
Jonathan Grimes, Derrick Morgan
AP
The Titans are busy this morning, and the free agent pass-rush market is effectively dead.

According to Mike Garafolo of FOX Sports, the Titans have agreed to terms on a deal to retain outside linebacker Derrick Morgan.

The deal’s worth a a maximum of $30 million over four years, with a base value of $27 million and $10.5 million guaranteed.

This, coming moments after a four-year, $32 million deal with Washington’s Brian Orako ($13.5 million guaranteed) does several things.

One, it sets the Titans up on pass-rushers, checking off one of their biggest offseason boxes.

Two, it means the Marcus Mariota-to-Tennessee train is just going to gain steam, as they no longer have to find someone to apply pressure with the second overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft.

But third, it effectively kills the quarterback-chaser market around the league.

Only Carolina’s Greg Hardy remains, and with the cloud of looming league punishment over him, few teams have even been willing to acknowledge that a 15.0-sack guy from 2013 might help them.

The Raiders and Jaguars seem interested, but the market is dried up, and anyone else looking for sacks is either going to have to go with the old and infirm (Mathias Kiwanuka, Osi Umenyiora, etc.) or wait until draft weekend.

This in essence eliminates TEN from selecting Fowler.

 

[hobson54]

BPA is a myth. Those who claim a team is drafting solely on BPA, are lying or misguided. It's inaccurate.

No team is ever truly selecting BPA. The caveat is always that you exclude positions where you have either a strong starter, high dollars invested, or both. No one can possibly claim the Colts are going to draft a QB with their 1st round pick. Or that the Jets will draft a 3-4 DE or CB with their 1st. Not happening. BPA is not about who's simply highest on your board. All draft picks carry a number of factors in making a decision for each pick. That's the reality.

BPA is used by boring media members (and fans) who try to sound smart. Nothing more.

i like to call it BPA(AAPORN)

best player available (at a position of relative need)

 

[Jet Setter]

i like to call it BPA(AAPORN)

best player available (at a position of relative need)

Ahhh, an acronym lover.

And with this topic in mind, I can actually see a WR taken with Marshall up there in age. I was initially against this idea.
You don't get a chance very often to snag a #1 WR in the draft. If Cooper was there, I could understand taking him.

I'm also seeing more and more chatter that Cleveland really wants Mariota. Amazingly.
I'd take their 12 and 19 picks in a heartbeat.

 

[USANYJ]

Ahhh, an acronym lover.

And with this topic in mind, I can actually see a WR taken with Marshall up there in age. I was initially against this idea.
You don't get a chance very often to snag a #1 WR in the draft. If Cooper was there, I could understand taking him.

I'm also seeing more and more chatter that Cleveland really wants Mariota. Amazingly.
I'd take their 12 and 19 picks in a heartbeat.

I think I would rather have the extra first for next year with the better qb class coming out. Cook and hackenberg will require a trade up with the d we now have. Two first rounders would help.

 

[hobson54]

cowboys sign darren mcfadden. not quite sure that's the way to go about replacing the nfl's leading rusher. i'd look for the cowboys to grab a RB, perhaps in the 1st

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/12474674/darren-mcfadden-dallas-cowboys-agree-two-year-deal

 

[hobson54]

culliver to the redskins, reported at 4-years, $32 million

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12474246/washington-redskins-chris-culliver-agree-deal

 

[Jet Setter]

cowboys sign darren mcfadden. not quite sure that's the way to go about replacing the nfl's leading rusher. i'd look for the cowboys to grab a RB, perhaps in the 1st

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/12474674/darren-mcfadden-dallas-cowboys-agree-two-year-deal

Yeah, and seeing the other teams in a bidding war for Murray, JAX and OAK, you can expect to see Gurley off the board before we pick in the 2nd. TB was also involved and now it's rumored they may trade for Adrian Peterson. RB's have suddenly become en vogue.

 

[cysporsche]

BPA is a myth. Those who claim a team is drafting solely on BPA, are lying or misguided. It's inaccurate.

No team is ever truly selecting BPA. The caveat is always that you exclude positions where you have either a strong starter, high dollars invested, or both. No one can possibly claim the Colts are going to draft a QB with their 1st round pick. Or that the Jets will draft a 3-4 DE or CB with their 1st. Not happening. BPA is not about who's simply highest on your board. All draft picks carry a number of factors in making a decision for each pick. That's the reality.

BPA is used by boring media members (and fans) who try to sound smart. Nothing more.

+1 Agree. BPA is a myth. You fill by need.

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[Superman55]

Jets are at White's pro day today, including our Wr coach and director of scouting.

 

[Jet Setter]

Did anyone mention how mediocre Mariota performed yesterday? Sorry if this is being repeated but our fans should be in the know. Didn't light things up at all. Inaccurate, not a live arm shown. Spent time displaying that he could take a few snaps under center which may have disrupted his throwing. And performed in a huddle. A little transparent. Cleveland or Philly can have him. Hopefully at our expense with their compensation.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I'm also seeing more and more chatter that Cleveland really wants Mariota. Amazingly.

I'd take their 12 and 19 picks in a heartbeat.

We won't get that much, setter.

In my last mock draft (link), which is already obsolete because I posted it prior to free agency, but I actually had us trading down with Cleveland and taking Alvin Dupree at 12, which is still a possibility, but because I projected that trade I had to research the draft trade value chart (link) and according to the chart we would be getting the first of Cleveland's two 1's (#12 overall) and their second round pick (#43 overall), and even there they would be slightly overpaying by 70 Value Points which is the equivalent of an added 4th RD Pick, so I don't see us getting more.