Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

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Free agent quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick is ready to end his prolonged contract staredown with the Jets and accept a one-year deal worth $12 million, the New York Daily News reported Wednesday night.

Maybe it’s that easy, or maybe this messy situation drags on.

Based on what’s been previously reported, leaked and endlessly discussed, the Jets want Fitzpatrick to take a deal that pays him around $12 million in 2016 but shrinks in the years that follow. Fitzpatrick hasn’t taken that deal, but he seems to be out of options elsewhere.

A one-year compromise works for Fitzpatrick. Will it work for the Jets?

Getting Fitzpatrick into camp now would be good for morale and all that supposedly matters in June. But his contract situation would linger through the season, regardless of whether he matches or even surpasses last year’s success. It’s clear the Jets don’t see him as a true franchise quarterback who commands those really big checks. The Daily News report included what’s fairly obvious, that the negotiations include “no new numbers” from the team’s side.

In a one-year situation, Fitzpatrick bets on himself. The Jets still want a little more security, even if they aren’t totally sold. The negotiating probably continues, though an offer to just end this thing might end up appealing to both sides.
 

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Players don't say bad things about their teammates, typically, and neither do coaches say bad things about their players. If you really think about what they're saying, it isn't all that complimentary. Positive comments about a player's potential are akin to comments saying that the player has yet to reach his potential, i.e. he has played poorly. Saying he looks like a new guy, similarly, is the same as saying "the guy he has been in the past isn't good enough, or even at all" (if it is a compliment to say you're a whole new guy, then it must mean that the guy you were before wasn't good) and "seeing growth" is the same thing. All of the comments are damning him with faint praise. Players who play well have people say things about him like "he's great," or "he's an excellent player" or whatever. In the end, all the comments basically boil down to "he has to improve" which I think everyone agrees with, and "he is improving," which is more controversial. They'll never take the step of saying that they don't believe he can improve, even if they believed that. His teammates will say he's showing signs of improvement until the day he's out of the league (or improves enough to receive the "he's a good player" comments instead). I don't think there's any requirement to consider these types of comments when evaluating players, personally, because the statements are boilerplate, essentially. You could dig up a million quotes like this for all sorts of athletes who couldn't succeed at the highest level.

Last week Bowles made it clear that Geno is not on the roster bubble and that Amaro is. Not just coach speak


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I do not consider myself a Genobot or a Fitz hater but I hope the Jets hang tough with their present offer as I do not want Fitz back for three reasons.

First, I consider Fitz' floor in wins this year to be 6 games while I believe Geno's is 3 or 4. However, I believe that Fitz' ceiling is 9 wins whereas I believe that if the light goes on for Geno with these weapons and with this coaching staff his ceiling is 11 games. I will take the higher ceiling any time over the higher floor. For Fitz there is not much potential to blow up this season. His arm and age are what they are. He has already had the benefit of playing in this system and with these weapons. For Geno his potential is based on playing in a better system with better weapons and with hopefully a better football maturity. It's all a crapshoot but I do not think anyone can reasonably argue that if everything falls in place for both players Geno has the higher ceiling for wins. I saw how bad Geno was in Geno's first two seasons as everyone else did . I also know that he was the youngest starting QB for each of his two seasons and this year would still be the 7th youngest starting QB. Also, he played for a coach for whom offense was a foreign concept and played with mostly off the street receivers after coming from the air raid system at WVU. In other words he had a lot going against him. I also know he was rumored to go at the top or near the top of the draft when he came out and he dropped because he was immature in his interviews. He also engineered 5 fourth quarter comebacks his rookie season and threw an unbelievable 43 passes for a gain of 20 or more yards. I believe there may be something there. It 's also possible that there is not. But I would like to find out first before another team finds out next year.

2 Second, I am interested in sustainable success. If Fitz somehow pulls off 10 wins this year then what? Maybe another good year in 2017? Perhaps. However, if Geno (or for that matter any of the young guys) pulls off 10 wins the Jets become perennial playoff contenders just like every other team with a good QB does. As much as I enjoyed 2010 and 2011 it became 2012 very quickly. I also believe it is a lot easier to build a team and look like Belicheck if your QB is in place. The Jets have drafted 9 QBs in the last 11 years. That is an entire draft of players. There is no sense drafting them if you are not going to develop them.

3 Finally, paying Fitz a $12 million contract this year will come off of next year's salary cap. We do have some room but not like we did after 2014. I would like the Jets to become proactive and sign in advance players we would like to keep in the last year of their contract before they become free agents. Also, I would like to fill some urgent holes next offseason, particularly the oline and finding a top receiver to replace Marshall eventually.

I said in another post all Mac has to do to sign Fitz is increase the dollars (unguaranteed) in years two and three to $12 or $15 million per year so that Fitz does not feel trapped into a bad contract in years two and three. The Jets then can cut him after this year with no additional consequences except the pro rated $6 million bonus Fitz would get this year. This would get the deal done in 10 seconds with no further obligation on the Jets. That they seem not to be offering it indicates to me that they really may prefer to roll with Geno and this Fitz negotiation is a Kabuki dance for the fans' sake to let them know they tried. We'll see.
 

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Once that gets done, will they have enough money left to get linemen who can keep him standing upright?

Later
 

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I do not consider myself a Genobot or a Fitz hater but I hope the Jets hang tough with their present offer as I do not want Fitz back for three reasons.

First, I consider Fitz' floor in wins this year to be 6 games while I believe Geno's is 3 or 4. However, I believe that Fitz' ceiling is 9 wins whereas I believe that if the light goes on for Geno with these weapons and with this coaching staff his ceiling is 11 games. I will take the higher ceiling any time over the higher floor. For Fitz there is not much potential to blow up this season. His arm and age are what they are. He has already had the benefit of playing in this system and with these weapons. For Geno his potential is based on playing in a better system with better weapons and with hopefully a better football maturity. It's all a crapshoot but I do not think anyone can reasonably argue that if everything falls in place for both players Geno has the higher ceiling for wins. I saw how bad Geno was in Geno's first two seasons as everyone else did . I also know that he was the youngest starting QB for each of his two seasons and this year would still be the 7th youngest starting QB. Also, he played for a coach for whom offense was a foreign concept and played with mostly off the street receivers after coming from the air raid system at WVU. In other words he had a lot going against him. I also know he was rumored to go at the top or near the top of the draft when he came out and he dropped because he was immature in his interviews. He also engineered 5 fourth quarter comebacks his rookie season and threw an unbelievable 43 passes for a gain of 20 or more yards. I believe there may be something there. It 's also possible that there is not. But I would like to find out first before another team finds out next year.

2 Second, I am interested in sustainable success. If Fitz somehow pulls off 10 wins this year then what? Maybe another good year in 2017? Perhaps. However, if Geno (or for that matter any of the young guys) pulls off 10 wins the Jets become perennial playoff contenders just like every other team with a good QB does. As much as I enjoyed 2010 and 2011 it became 2012 very quickly. I also believe it is a lot easier to build a team and look like Belicheck if your QB is in place. The Jets have drafted 9 QBs in the last 11 years. That is an entire draft of players. There is no sense drafting them if you are not going to develop them.

3 Finally, paying Fitz a $12 million contract this year will come off of next year's salary cap. We do have some room but not like we did after 2014. I would like the Jets to become proactive and sign in advance players we would like to keep in the last year of their contract before they become free agents. Also, I would like to fill some urgent holes next offseason, particularly the oline and finding a top receiver to replace Marshall eventually.

I said in another post all Mac has to do to sign Fitz is increase the dollars (unguaranteed) in years two and three to $12 or $15 million per year so that Fitz does not feel trapped into a bad contract in years two and three. The Jets then can cut him after this year with no additional consequences except the pro rated $6 million bonus Fitz would get this year. This would get the deal done in 10 seconds with no further obligation on the Jets. That they seem not to be offering it indicates to me that they really may prefer to roll with Geno and this Fitz negotiation is a Kabuki dance for the fans' sake to let them know they tried. We'll see.
Agree with your last paragraph, if you want Fitz back, why offer 6? If he's that bad, you could sign geno for less.
It's double speak, like saying you're only going to eat healthy and then buying an unlimited membership to a Chinese buffet.

With regard to your question about what follows a successful year by Fitz, if he's the starter, he stays the starter until his performance slips and/or another qb passes him by. We're not talking about a5 year deal here. Fitz doesn't think he's Aaron Rodgers.

If you look at money spent at the qb position over the course of pettys contract, the next 4 years, it's not a lot.
We have options young and old, experienced and projects. Fitz is basically 8 per, 6 base and 2 bonus over 3 years.
So $8 mill to Fitz, $1.3 guaranteed to geno this year only, hack and petty on rookie deals. Hack is 4 year $4.66 mill, 2016 cap hit of $847,000, and petty 4 year 2.8 mill, or $700,000/year.

2016- $8+$1.3+$0.847+$0.7=$10.847 million
2017-19-no geno=$9.547 million

If Fitz accepts the current deal, we are roughly averaging 10 million per year at the qb position with no roster moves.

For 11 million per year, Fitz is the lowest paid starter in football, geno is his backup, and petty and hack are projects. 11 million at the qb position for 4qbs and a30/15 starter is an insanely low cap hit. No one can say we are wasting money at that rate. Say Fitz gets his way, and he makes an extra 2 per year, that's an average of 13 per year. Brock and Bradford have accomplished nothing and make more than our entire unit, by a lot.

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Last week Bowles made it clear that Geno is not on the roster bubble and that Amaro is. Not just coach speak


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Geno can't be on the bubble, he's the only qb under contract that can start a game.

Coach made an interesting Amaro comment last night at the town hall.
When asked about Amaro, he gave the company answer, however, when asked about why the fb had disappeared from the nfl, he said the following.
Teams prefer a passing te, because of spread offenses, which takes one of your blockers away, which eliminates the power running game, and creates zone scheme running. The requires a hybrid h back.
Last year they were listing Amaro as the h back. Personally, I see him as a te/wr that can stretch the field.

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Fitz for $12M is fine with me if reports are true. That gives him a chance to prove that he is worth way more which I don't think will happen. Hope it does, but I also hope Petty or Hack comes along for next year.
 

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He did have really good weapons in Houston though. Do you give a 3 year contract to a guy who has never had 3 great seasons??


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If by a 3 year contract you mean a 3 year contract that spreads the cap hit year one and is actually a 1 or 2 year deal, I think that's what the current offer is, and it makes sense for the Jets. If you mean a 5 year contract that's really a 3 year contract, then no, makes no sense to handcuff yourself like that If your the Jets.

I see a lot of interpretation on this matter. I'm not saying I'm certain how the team feels about Geno. For all I know, they could be lying. But as fans we have to take things at face value, because that's all we can do. The media, on the other hand, loves creating stories because it legitimizes their existence. They love reading tea leaves.

My eyes have seen some very good things from Geno Smith, some very bad things from Geno Smith, and some things in between. I'm not sold on him being a reclamation project anymore than I'm sold on him being a bust. I don't judge players drafted in the second round nowadays because it's not fair to them, IMO. I want to see a competition in training camp, and a solid "go-to" as a #2 should our #1 get injured.

Call me nuts, but I believe Geno is the best option as a backup if Fitz gets hurt. Petty and Hackenberg are 2017 options.

Actions speak louder than words. Decker and Marshall greatly, GREATLY prefer Fitz. And while I agree that Fitz-Geno are the best 1-2, I think that means Petty is gone, so not sure what they'll do there. May cut Geno and then sign him or someone else if catastrophe strikes early.
 

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well if you want to use the real estate analogy, one would think you would look at what other homes in the neighborhood go for. the best comparable for "other homes in the neighborhood" for an athlete would be what his peers make. and given that 22 or so QBs make $12 million or more (with a handful of the lower paid ones restricted by rookie contracts - call it affordable housing allotments), then offering $6 million for a neighborhood that averages well over $12 million seems to be a way to prevent a deal from getting done.

it's clear you don't think fitz should get more than $6 million. but the market pay for starting QBs is a lot more than that.

now maybe you prefer to pay less for a QB. but then you should be prepared for results more in line with what we saw in 2013 and 2014 from the jets QB position. i guess having the 30th or so ranked QB and having more Ints and TDs is worth it for you to go "cheap" on the position.
I don't know if the Real Estate analogy works (houses tend to be built and age similarly within neighborhoods, NFL QB'S far less so), but if it does, Fitz is the house in the neighborhood thats a few years older with a history of problems - it's the last one to sell, and it goes for less - despite it getting a fresh coat of paint and some new appliances last year.

This can't be a one year deal for $12MM, the Jets have to be able spread the cap hit until at least next year, when Mo will be resolved one way or the other. 3/24 sounds right, maybe add an escalator for playoffs - let him make another $2MM this year if he gets them there (won't hit the cap until next year as an 'unlikely' incentive since we didn't make last year).
 

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OK. Based on the reporting I have seen this morning, I am happy to say I am backing off my statement that offering Fitz $12M is another same old Jets move. What I saw today is that the Jets' original offer was for $8M/yr for 3 years. When Fitz said he wanted more, they changed the offer to $12M, $6M, $6M. What I did not realize before is that with the 3-year deal, the Jets don't take the $12M cap hit the first year, as I thought would happen, but can spread the cap hit over the 3 years of the deal. So the Jets are really not so stupid as to think Fitz is worth a $12M cap hit this year.

All of this is supported by the latest reports that the Jets will not accept Fitz' offer of a $12M, 1-year deal. Doing so would make them suffer the (stupid) $12M cap hit this year.

My confidence in the new management team has been restored.
 

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No, neither of us need anyone to tell us how to formulate our opinions. But when some of us here presume our opinions to be greater than those who are actually making the decisions, when they have much greater access to scouting, film, resources, experience, etc., it does seem a bit flawed.

Pretty much my point, as well. I don't recall saying we can't or shouldn't have opinions. I don't know where that came from. Its great to have message boards where we can guess, and sometimes presume to know things other fans don't. :global (49):
 

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OK. Based on the reporting I have seen this morning, I am happy to say I am backing off my statement that offering Fitz $12M is another same old Jets move. What I saw today is that the Jets' original offer was for $8M/yr for 3 years. When Fitz said he wanted more, they changed the offer to $12M, $6M, $6M. What I did not realize before is that with the 3-year deal, the Jets don't take the $12M cap hit the first year, as I thought would happen, but can spread the cap hit over the 3 years of the deal. So the Jets are really not so stupid as to think Fitz is worth a $12M cap hit this year.

All of this is supported by the latest reports that the Jets will not accept Fitz' offer of a $12M, 1-year deal. Doing so would make them suffer the (stupid) $12M cap hit this year.

My confidence in the new management team has been restored.
Yeah, NFL Radio is reporting Jets offer 3/24 (basically 6/6/6 plus 6MM signing spread over 3 years) OR 1/8 - so basically they're willing/able to take on an 8MM cap hit this year, one way or another.
 

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Cordial dialogue, I love it. It appears that MM has really played this the only way he could with the CAP situation being what it is. I also think that if by chance Fitz decides not to accept the current offer and Jets part ways with him, it opens the door to hopefully get something done long term with Mo. The bad vibes created with parting ways with Fitz will be more than compensated for with signing a home grown cornerstone like Wilkerson. JMHO.
 

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brick, you know i have a ton of respect for you and would never bash you as some geno apologist. but i personally cannot fathom another season of watching geno as the starting QB of the jets. granted it is a purely visceral reaction and i readily admit i could be wrong and he could turn it around. but the thought of it makes me ill.

And the respect is mutual Hobson. I completely understand feeling that way. I don't think going into the season with Geno anointed as the starter is a good plan either. Regardless of what happens, the team is going to need someone to compete with Geno (outside of Hackenberg and Petty). I hope that someone is Fitzpatrick. But I'm completely OK with Geno as our backup.
 

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And the respect is mutual Hobson. I completely understand feeling that way. I don't think going into the season with Geno anointed as the starter is a good plan either. Regardless of what happens, the team is going to need someone to compete with Geno (outside of Hackenberg and Petty). I hope that someone is Fitzpatrick. But I'm completely OK with Geno as our backup.

I disagree, only insofar as I think there is no inherent danger in going into the season with the QBs on the roster now. At worst, it becomes a year of growth and learning for Petty or Hack.

OK, at worst worst, Geno starts, is awful, yet keeps the starting job all season.

But with or without Fitz, with or without Geno, or any of these guys, this season will not be an easy one with that schedule.
 

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taking something at "face value" is to accept someone or something as it appears.. period..

that doesn't leave room for opinion.....

I think this interpretation is mixing opinion and fact.

We can base opinions solely on the information we, as fans, receive. And without insider knowledge and information, we have to take the information we receive at face value.

That is what this is about, I think.
 

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I think this interpretation is mixing opinion and fact.

We can base opinions solely on the information we, as fans, receive. And without insider knowledge and information, we have to take the information we receive at face value.

That is what this is about, I think.
bowles said he didn't believe decker, marshall & mangold's absence from the first two OTAs had anything to do with fitzpatrick.. i think that's laughable BTW, but if i/we were to take him at "face value" we would essentially be forced to believe he meant what he said.. period..
 

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Cordial dialogue, I love it. It appears that MM has really played this the only way he could with the CAP situation being what it is. I also think that if by chance Fitz decides not to accept the current offer and Jets part ways with him, it opens the door to hopefully get something done long term with Mo. The bad vibes created with parting ways with Fitz will be more than compensated for with signing a home grown cornerstone like Wilkerson. JMHO.

No Fitz and a decent deal with Mo is a great addition IMO. I would much rather have MO for 5 years than Fitz for 1 or 2.
 

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I am in the camp "now" where I have moved on. While I am not looking forward to Geno starting by any stretch of the imagination, I am looking - hoping - that at least Petty shows that he belongs and at some point in the season supplants Geno...

As the posted said, move on and sign Mo long term...
 
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