Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

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JohnnyBaseball1

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From the Bleacher Report column:

"Despite on-field success and the fact Smith was on track to start 2015 as the Jets' starter, he's being overlooked as the potential quarterback of the future in New York. In the last five games he's played in, Smith completed 65 percent of his attempts for 1,266 yards, eight touchdowns and three interceptions.

Extrapolating that five-game stretch, a 16-game season would look like 314 completions over 483 attempts for 4,051 passing yards, 26 passing touchdowns and 10 interceptions. For the 2015 regular season, only three quarterbacks—Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Andy Dalton, whose combined contracts are worth $293.6 million—had seasons that featured 25 or more passing touchdowns, a completion percentage of 65 percent or higher and 10 interceptions or fewer."

Does anyone really think this is a good analysis? In his last five games, played over two seasons, which included that one Week 17 Game against Miami, he did this, so we can extrapolate that over a full season, he's basically as good as Aaron Rodgers? Seriously? The Week 17 Game can reasonably considered an outlier, and for the sake of argument, let's say it was one, and he had instead, a more typical game for him. The whole "extrapolation" would be totally different. And not mentioning that this five game stretch included ONE game that was wildly different than the others is less than intellectually honest. Now, the column demonstrates that Smith has made some good plays, but again, if he had no skills whatsoever, he wouldn't be in the NFL. That isn't the issue. I hope they're right, and I hope he does develop, but this is not a good argument.
 

ReallyBigfan

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From the Bleacher Report column:

"Despite on-field success and the fact Smith was on track to start 2015 as the Jets' starter, he's being overlooked as the potential quarterback of the future in New York. In the last five games he's played in, Smith completed 65 percent of his attempts for 1,266 yards, eight touchdowns and three interceptions.

Extrapolating that five-game stretch, a 16-game season would look like 314 completions over 483 attempts for 4,051 passing yards, 26 passing touchdowns and 10 interceptions. For the 2015 regular season, only three quarterbacks—Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Andy Dalton, whose combined contracts are worth $293.6 million—had seasons that featured 25 or more passing touchdowns, a completion percentage of 65 percent or higher and 10 interceptions or fewer."

Does anyone really think this is a good analysis? In his last five games, played over two seasons, which included that one Week 17 Game against Miami, he did this, so we can extrapolate that over a full season, he's basically as good as Aaron Rodgers? Seriously? The Week 17 Game can reasonably considered an outlier, and for the sake of argument, let's say it was one, and he had instead, a more typical game for him. The whole "extrapolation" would be totally different. And not mentioning that this five game stretch included ONE game that was wildly different than the others is less than intellectually honest. Now, the column demonstrates that Smith has made some good plays, but again, if he had no skills whatsoever, he wouldn't be in the NFL. That isn't the issue. I hope they're right, and I hope he does develop, but this is not a good argument.

Well, you are right insofar as your distorted version of the argument is not a good one. Obviously the Miami game was the best of the bunch, but over the last four or five games of 2014, Geno demonstrated significant improvement in many areas. And that is even without the benefits of better WRs and Chan Gailey. You want to hold it against Geno that he had such a great game in Miami? That's just strange logic.
 

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Well, you are right insofar as your distorted version of the argument is not a good one. Obviously the Miami game was the best of the bunch, but over the last four or five games of 2014, Geno demonstrated significant improvement in many areas. And that is even without the benefits of better WRs and Chan Gailey. You want to hold it against Geno that he had such a great game in Miami? That's just strange logic.
No, but it also doesn't make it the greatest performance in history. He had a perfect passer rating, does that mean he's better than Brady? Or do we need context wroth our stats?

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Well, you are right insofar as your distorted version of the argument is not a good one. Obviously the Miami game was the best of the bunch, but over the last four or five games of 2014, Geno demonstrated significant improvement in many areas. And that is even without the benefits of better WRs and Chan Gailey. You want to hold it against Geno that he had such a great game in Miami? That's just strange logic.
apparently the league (including the jets) were not as impressed with smith's 5 game run to end th 2014 season as you & the author of this article.....

to my knowledge no offers to this day have been made for smith's services..
 
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mykcuz

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apparently the league (including the jets) were not as impressed with smith's 5 game run to end th 2014 season as you & the author of this article.....

to my knowledge no offers to this day have been made for smith's services..
Signing geno to a 4 year 30 million deal would be much easier than Fitz.

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jetgreen13

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Signing geno to a 4 year 30 million deal would be much easier than Fitz.

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just for the sake of clarification, i was really excited about drafting smith in the second round.....

but i don't pay any attention to college football until leading up to the draft, so.....
 
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Well, you are right insofar as your distorted version of the argument is not a good one. Obviously the Miami game was the best of the bunch, but over the last four or five games of 2014, Geno demonstrated significant improvement in many areas. And that is even without the benefits of better WRs and Chan Gailey. You want to hold it against Geno that he had such a great game in Miami? That's just strange logic.

No, the point is that the "extrapolation" to a full season that the article did makes no sense, and that it is intellectually dishonest to withhold important information about the fact that the numbers from which the author was extrapolating were bolstered by a game that could easily be seen as an outlier; Week 17, both teams already eliminated, and Geno put up a performance significantly different than he has in any other week or game. We all know this, because we are Jets fans, but a generic reader may not, and that person now has a very distorted picture of those numbers, and when they came, and how they came. The author knew they were doing this, it is clear that they were very careful to not mention this context, and I think that is a dishonest and faulty analysis. To try to just rhetorically lump together four games at the end of one season, and one game in the middle of the next season, in which one of the games was that Miami game played under less-than-demanding circumstances, as a "five game stretch" is ludicrous, and it is doubly ludicrous to "extrapolate" that to a full season's performance. There is nothing technically inaccurate about it, it just doesn't make sense to do this analysis; I don't believe it leads to the conclusion the author has reached.
 
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The Jets have accelerated their efforts to try to get Fitz signed by the end of the week. I think it's highly possible he's resigned by the end of the week.

I think your right

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As close as Fitz and Marshall seem to be, Marshall was complaining a week or so ago that Fitz wasn't talking to him. Now this pic.

With out any knowledge of the situation I'm guessing that Fitz and the Jets, contrary to what's being reported by the scribes (like the Wilkerson talks) have been talking, and Fitz didn't want Marshall pressuring him for info.

Now it's getting close to agreement...................At least I hope so
 
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From that pic, I'm guessing that Marshall doesn't live in the low rent district in Chicago. :)
 
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I'm sure Marshall knows what's going on with Fitz. Obviously, he's keeping it to himself because he was asked to. That 'hasn't returned my texts' stuff is a smokescreen, helping a teammate pressure the team.

They both know that as a tandem, they can really make it cook on the field. Brandon also knows Matt Forte, a special player, and has probably told Fitz that the three of them will be great together. Fitz isn't stupid, he knows this is his best last shot, but he is holding out for as much as he can - it's gonna be his last major contract. (unless they get to the big dance).
 

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We've all put up with it all summer. Now is hardly the time to throw in the towel.

It would be like running 25 miles of a marathon, and then saying, "screw it, I'm done."
 

mykcuz

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We've all put up with it all summer. Now is hardly the time to throw in the towel.

It would be like running 25 miles of a marathon, and then saying, "screw it, I'm done."
Welcome to life with Mac as gm.

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ReallyBigfan

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No, the point is that the "extrapolation" to a full season that the article did makes no sense, and that it is intellectually dishonest to withhold important information about the fact that the numbers from which the author was extrapolating were bolstered by a game that could easily be seen as an outlier; Week 17, both teams already eliminated, and Geno put up a performance significantly different than he has in any other week or game. We all know this, because we are Jets fans, but a generic reader may not, and that person now has a very distorted picture of those numbers, and when they came, and how they came. The author knew they were doing this, it is clear that they were very careful to not mention this context, and I think that is a dishonest and faulty analysis. To try to just rhetorically lump together four games at the end of one season, and one game in the middle of the next season, in which one of the games was that Miami game played under less-than-demanding circumstances, as a "five game stretch" is ludicrous, and it is doubly ludicrous to "extrapolate" that to a full season's performance. There is nothing technically inaccurate about it, it just doesn't make sense to do this analysis; I don't believe it leads to the conclusion the author has reached.

Geez, JohnnyB, you are just making things up. The article explicitly did detail the week 17 game in Miami so anyone who actually bothered to read it did have the complete context. Here is the precise quote from the article:

"The general consensus was Smith was finally getting it, as he ended the 2014 season with a Week 17 game against the Miami Dolphins that featured a stat line of 20 completions off 25 passes for 358 passing yards, three touchdowns and a perfect passer rating."
 

jetgreen13

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Fitz is not good enough to miss much time from TC. He is not Brady.
he's definitely betting on himself & honestly i don't think it's a bad play on his part..

would it be ideal?? of course not.. but the guy's been an NFL QB long enough to know how much "work" he needs to put in to property be ready week one..

as long as fitzpatrick doesn't cross whatever that line may be, i'm absolutely cool with it..

anything over "that line" & you become a bad teammate in my book..
 

mykcuz

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he's definitely betting on himself & honestly i don't think it's a bad play on his part..

would it be ideal?? of course not.. but the guy's been an NFL QB long enough to know how much "work" he needs to put in to property be ready week one..

as long as fitzpatrick doesn't cross whatever that line may be, i'm absolutely cool with it..

anything over "that line" & you become a bad teammate in my book..
In today's nfl, teams are working out less, and QB's are protected.

He knows this system, and in fact just last year missed the off season program worth a broken leg. When he took over for Geno he was just doing glorified walk throughs. Of course maximum practice time is important, but the Jets also haven't given a deadline.

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jetgreen13

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I think your right

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As close as Fitz and Marshall seem to be, Marshall was complaining a week or so ago that Fitz wasn't talking to him. Now this pic.

With out any knowledge of the situation I'm guessing that Fitz and the Jets, contrary to what's being reported by the scribes (like the Wilkerson talks) have been talking, and Fitz didn't want Marshall pressuring him for info.

Now it's getting close to agreement...................At least I hope so
two things.. if this doesn't seal the deal for smith supporters on how marshall (& very likely, that locker room) truly feels about both fitzpatrick & smith, nothing ever will.. nothing.....

second thing is, fitzpatrick has a very interesting sense of fashion.. LOLz he looks like he lost a bet..

jeezbus!!
 

jetgreen13

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I think your right
As close as Fitz and Marshall seem to be, Marshall was complaining a week or so ago that Fitz wasn't talking to him. Now this pic.

With out any knowledge of the situation I'm guessing that Fitz and the Jets, contrary to what's being reported by the scribes (like the Wilkerson talks) have been talking, and Fitz didn't want Marshall pressuring him for info.

Now it's getting close to agreement...................At least I hope so
double post..
 
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