Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[mykcuz]

what do you mean that Fitz deal is split between next two seasons? how does that work?

His base salary this year is 2 mill. It's actually a2 year deal that voids 5 days after the super bowl, so we can treat the rest as a signing bonus over 2 years. Not sure how the void works.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[mykcuz]

what do you mean that Fitz deal is split between next two seasons? how does that work?

Details of Ryan Fitzpatrick's contract with the Jets: Technically, it's a two-year contract with a voidable. Five days after the Super Bowl, it voids to one year. The two-year structure allows them to spread the signing bonus ($10M) over two years. His base salary is $2M, meaning his cap charge is $7M. There will be a $5M dead charge in 2017. (Per Adam Schefter).

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[mykcuz]

So we signed mo, lee, and Fitz, and are under the cap this year. Should we need extra room to sign a fa, several players can convert salary into bonus.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[jets82]

Would you prefer a4 win season by geno?

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

No but what I would rather see is Hack or Petty on the field and growing with this team. Not Fitz or Geno who we both know Geno is still probably the worst and has probably gotten no better. Although I will say Geno never had a fighting chance besides last year which he screwed himself. Besides that, his first two years he played probably with the worst NFL offensive weapons in history. So what was he really supposed to do with that? But Fitz we all know is a flop journeymen as well on his six team who will tank some how during the season. He did last the last game and about 2 other games during the season that the Jets should have won. So why would that change this year? Fitz is what he is. Geno probably is what he is. What we don't know is what is Petty and Hack and that's what I wanted to see this year. Four games or not, I wanted to see what Petty or Hack could do.

 

[jets82]

Finally, a rational person.
The nfl isn't MLB. In baseball, you can year a team down trade players, and hoard picks. In football, you have a guy for a couple of years in a rookie deal. You can't take five years to build the team. And football has a salary cap.

In football, you always have holes that you need to cover up, it's up to the 2nd and 3rd string to step up or not in the nfl. And is not a science, packers won a Super Bowl wroth like 20 guys on injured reserve.

Every nfl team accepts they will have holes and they will have injuries through the year. It's not just the Jets.

Our cap is actually in good shape going forward, I think less than 3 players are signed past 2018, and Fitz deal is technically split between this year and next. And his signing shows you exactly what this front office thinks of geno.

Mac believes we have a top 10 defense that is super bowl ready. We have playmakers at several key positions, and we have aqb that has great chemistry with the offense. That's better than most nfl teams.

Yes our schedule is stacked with criminally short weeks against tough teams, but you gotta play the games, and next year sends to be when they believe one of the kids will be ready to start. I'd imagine we go wr and lt the next 2 years in the first round, to pair with our young qbs.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Let's not make this into a Geno and Fitz debate because this seems it's where your going by your last few post to me directly or indirectly. Obviously I'm not a Fitz guy and obviously your not a Geno guy. News flash, I'm not a Geno guy either, well not anymore anyway. I'm not a fan of either and don't want to see either of them on the field. I believe if Havk or Petty are even half way ready then put either one out there and let the veteran weapons guide and help them. We all know what we have in Fitz and Geno and that's pure shit. What we don't know is what do have in the other two and that's what I want to see.

Note: I see I'm probably the only one who feels this way besides one or two others and that's fine with me. I just don't want to debate or make this into a nasty thing. The Jets resigned Fitz and he's our starter. I'll rout for him and the team knowing for a fact he will flop and disappoint us all sooner or later. The excitement for me would have seeing do we possibly have a franchise QB in the making with Hack or Petty. That's all!

 

[mykcuz]

Let's not make this into a Geno and Fitz debate because this seems it's where your going by your last few post to me directly or indirectly. Obviously I'm not a Fitz guy and obviously your not a Geno guy. News flash, I'm not a Geno guy either, well not anymore anyway. I'm not a fan of either and don't want to see either of them on the field. I believe if Havk or Petty are even half way ready then put either one out there and let the veteran weapons guide and help them. We all know what we have in Fitz and Geno and that's pure shit. What we don't know is what do have in the other two and that's what I want to see.

Note: I see I'm probably the only one who feels this way besides one or two others and that's fine with me. I just don't want to debate or make this into a nasty thing. The Jets resigned Fitz and he's our starter. I'll rout for him and the team knowing for a fact he will flop and disappoint us all sooner or later. The excitement for me would have seeing do we possibly have a franchise QB in the making with Hack or Petty. That's all!

Here's the thing, I'm not being nasty, but as you may be aware, petty and hack are still on the team. Whoever is the best qb will start week one. Signing Fitz doesn't change that.

Mac spent a2 and a4 on pretty and hack, a significant investment, he clearly wants them to succeed for the Jets. If the bigwigs thought the guys were ready, they wouldn't have named Fitz the starter and paid him 12 mill. Just because you want them in the field, doesn't mean they are ready, or that's wise for their development. Putting them on the field to get killed won't help them develop.

The Jets have never hid the fact that petty was a known multi year project,and he's spent one year on the bench. He will get pre season playing time in games 1,2,and 3.

Hack is also a known project with potentially a higher ceiling, but has yet to even complete his first training camp.

And you want these guys to be the starters? These guys were picked with an intention, and a plan. I get that you're impatient, but I trust the coaches to do what's right. In the meantime, geno and Fitz are both gone next year, leaving petty and hack as our only QB's next season. Mac's strategy with signing Fitz gave us every indication that he expects Fitz to be the best option this year, and that he projects to be a backup next year. That means he expects petty to win the starting job next year.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[jets82]

I could not agree with you more. Let's assume that somehow the Jets with a marginally improved team and a tougher schedule make the playoffs when they could not last year with the easiest schedule that I can remember. And let's assume that Fitzpatrick who could not beat the Bills last year to get in the playoffs wins a game or two on the road in the playoffs. Now what? Who is our quarterback next year? Do we sign this guy at age 35 to a three year $60 million contact? Even if Mac thought that was sane (and he could) the Jets do not have the cap space. So next year the jets go back to sucking for the remote chance we are going to have a one off very good year this year. I hate that thinking.

Unfortunately I have come to the reluctant conclusion that Mac is over his head and has no clue how to build a team for long term sustainable success. In fact he is way over his head. The two most important factors for sustainable success are having a very good long term (i.e. young) quarterback and cap room flexibility. In his two years at the helm he has shown me that he thinks neither one of these is important. In the first two years of his regime he is going to give all of the starting QB snaps to an aging mediocre QB rather than letting the three young QBs have a chance. The thing with Geno is sometimes you have to go through growing pains with a young QB and suffer for a year or two. We have done that. Rather than giving him a chance with Gailey and these weapons and take a chance that they can develop the long term solution T QB he has opted for the short term one year solution. For what? So we can be impressed that the Jets went 9 and 7 or 10 and 6? This is his vision in building a team?

Also, we are already over the cap for next week. Therefore if Milliner has a great year he is still gone because we cannot pay him. If Marshall gets hurt and falls off the table we cannot go out and get a stud to replace him. If Clady gets hurt and we have to get two new tackles we don't have the money to replace him. Just like we could not replace Breno this year. This team does not have a good prognosis beyond possibly this year and I doubt how much Fitz is going to bring to the table this year. I am as depressed as I can remember for a long time because if you have a gm who does not value cap space and who has no interest in developing a long term solution at QB then the team's future for the next few years until the next dog and pony show for a gm is pretty bleak. And I am usually a homer who sees a half full glass and thinks it is overflowing. Not this time. If year after year we are going to have no cap space to improve the team and year after year we are going to settle for journeyman at the QB position it is hard to get pumped about the future.

Wow! You hit the nail on the button and right through it and I couldn't have said it better myself. I wasn't even thinking the cap space route but you nailed it. This is a phenomenal post and makes me see Mac in a different light now. The cap space issue didn't cross my mind at all. I honestly was giving Mac the benefit of the doubt that he is just thinking about winning now with vets who are prime, able and ready to win now and using a young QB might mess that up. I disagree with that because I believe Hack, Petty or even Geno could play average and the weapons around them could guide and carry them to success.

No, not a SB but success none the less. Which is except able because they are all young but Fitz is not. It's win a SB with him or it's pointless for him to be on the field at his age, with now playing on his six team and never making the playoffs period! Now I'm not a Geno fan anymore but I will admit he didn't have a chance his first two years with those garage weapons he had. Beside Decker, what else did he have and Decker was recovering from injuries that year also. Ivory was hurt off and on and so was Powell. Geno had no one else. Last year he had a chance to show his worth and he screwed that up and that's what turned me off to him.

Overall you nailed and I agree with you 1000 percent. This team may be filled with ready vets to win now but Fitz and the QB to win with. They will win win 9-10 games, if there lucky and I mean VERY LUCKy and they will lose round one in the playoffs. So what's the point here! Fitz ain't Vinny and if we were talking about Vinny that would be a different story. Vinny had franchise QB written all over him but didn't accomplish it for what ever reason. His few years with the Jets wee saw it at his age. We don't have that with Fitz, sorry to disappoint people but we just just don't. My take and probably my take only!

 

[mykcuz]

Wow! You hit the nail on the button and right through it and I couldn't have said it better myself. I wasn't even thinking the cap space route but you nailed it. This is a phenomenal post and makes me see Mac in a different light now. The cap space issue didn't cross my mind at all. I honestly was giving Mac the benefit of the doubt that he is just thinking about winning now with vets who are prime, able and ready to win now and using a young QB might mess that up. I disagree with that because I believe Hack, Petty or even Geno could play average and the weapons around them could guide and carry them to success.

No, not a SB but success none the less. Which is except able because they are all young but Fitz is not. It's win a SB with him or it's pointless for him to be on the field at his age, with now playing on his six team and never making the playoffs period! Now I'm not a Geno fan anymore but I will admit he didn't have a chance his first two years with those garage weapons he had. Beside Decker, what else did he have and Decker was recovering from injuries that year also. Ivory was hurt off and on and so was Powell. Geno had no one else. Last year he had a chance to show his worth and he screwed that up and that's what turned me off to him.

Overall you nailed and I agree with you 1000 percent. This team may be filled with ready vets to win now but Fitz and the QB to win with. They will win win 9-10 games, if there lucky and I mean VERY LUCKy and they will lose round one in the playoffs. So what's the point here! Fitz ain't Vinny and if we were talking about Vinny that would be a different story. Vinny had franchise QB written all over him but didn't accomplish it for what ever reason. His few years with the Jets wee saw it at his age. We don't have that with Fitz, sorry to disappoint people but we just just don't. My take and probably my take only!

I disagree, signing mo to a5 year deal in my opinion is quite an achievement. And I've said in the past, Mac will be judged on how he handles mo.

We have a really excellent future core being built, and we have a great group of veterans now. Seeing the rare comoraderie in the locker room is a very good sign of a team that will work together, and is exactly what you want the young guys to learn from. It reminds me of the Boston redsox"idiots" that won the world series.

I think we have a good mix of win now and future.

Much of the cap charges in the next 2 years will fall off based on cuts etc. Mac is taking an earn it approach to payroll.

You can be pessimistic, but I see an organization run as well as the Jets ever were since Parcells. The fun part will be having a team to route for. I'm looking forward to this season.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[jets82]

I disagree, signing mo to a5 year deal in my opinion is quite an achievement. And I've said in the past, Mac will be judged on how he handles mo.

We have a really excellent future core being built, and we have a great group of veterans now. Seeing the rare comoraderie in the locker room is a very good sign of a team that will work together, and is exactly what you want the young guys to learn from. It reminds me of the Boston redsox"idiots" that won the world series.

I think we have a good mix of win now and future.

Much of the cap charges in the next 2 years will fall off based on cuts etc. Mac is taking an earn it approach to payroll.

You can be pessimistic, but I see an organization run as well as the Jets ever were since Parcells. The fun part will be having a team to route for. I'm looking forward to this season.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Mo is a 25-26 year old monster DE. He has proved he's worth the money and young enough to give the money to him. So I don't think anyone is talking about him and I know I'm not. Mac is handing out money like wild fire to a bunch of vet players which will probably catch up to him. The QB spot is just being handled terribly to me. Geno, Petty and Hack should have fought this thing out in training camp and pre season and may the best man win for the starting job. Time to get our future going now at the QB spot. Not next year or the year after that and not winning a SB with Fitz either of these years. Just madness!

 

[mykcuz]

Mo is a 25-26 year old monster DE. He has proved he's worth the money and young enough to give the money to him. So I don't anyone is talking about him and I know I'm not. Mac is handing out money like wild fire to a bunch of vet players which will probably catch up to him. The QB spot is just being handled terribly to me. Geno, Petty and Hack should have fought this thing out out in training camp and pre season and may the best man win for the starting job. Time to get our future going now at the QB spot. Not next year or the year after that and not winning a SB with Fitz either of these years. Just madness!

Well I guess we just see things differently.

As for mo, I speaking to mac's success in negotiating that contract.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[SackExchange]

Fire Mac!!!

I'm surprised it took this long. But since we're Jets fans, "Fire Mac's replacement!"

I thought I'd get us started early on the ridiculous overreactions. Whomever replaces Mac is a terrible choice, and needs to go now - before they're even hired.

 

[skop]

Mo is a 25-26 year old monster DE. He has proved he's worth the money and young enough to give the money to him. So I don't think anyone is talking about him and I know I'm not. Mac is handing out money like wild fire to a bunch of vet players which will probably catch up to him. The QB spot is just being handled terribly to me. Geno, Petty and Hack should have fought this thing out in training camp and pre season and may the best man win for the starting job. Time to get our future going now at the QB spot. Not next year or the year after that and not winning a SB with Fitz either of these years. Just madness!

How is QB being handled so poorly? Did we miss out on Brady, Brees, etc in FA? No, we signed a guy who had the best year a QB has ever had for us since Namath, brought continuity to the team, and put us in place to expound upon last year's (to some) unexpected success.

For the future, are we killed by Geno's salary, Petty's, or Hack's? you might not like the picks, but that's an opinion.

I am really excited about Hack. This guy was going to be special in a pro-style offense when the now coach of the Texans was at PS. Then, they moved to a more traditional college offense, and he was a fish out of water. I think this guy leap frogs Petty & Geno quickly, and is taking pointers from legit NFL QB on how to prepare.

your assessment is curious.

 

[jets82]

Here's the thing, I'm not being nasty, but as you may be aware, petty and hack are still on the team. Whoever is the best qb will start week one. Signing Fitz doesn't change that.

Mac spent a2 and a4 on pretty and hack, a significant investment, he clearly wants them to succeed for the Jets. If the bigwigs thought the guys were ready, they wouldn't have named Fitz the starter and paid him 12 mill. Just because you want them in the field, doesn't mean they are ready, or that's wise for their development. Putting them on the field to get killed won't help them develop.

The Jets have never hid the fact that petty was a known multi year project,and he's spent one year on the bench. He will get pre season playing time in games 1,2,and 3.

Hack is also a known project with potentially a higher ceiling, but has yet to even complete his first training camp.

And you want these guys to be the starters? These guys were picked with an intention, and a plan. I get that you're impatient, but I trust the coaches to do what's right. In the meantime, geno and Fitz are both gone next year, leaving petty and hack as our only QB's next season. Mac's strategy with signing Fitz gave us every indication that he expects Fitz to be the best option this year, and that he projects to be a backup next year. That means he expects petty to win the starting job next year.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Impatient isn't even the word for it my Jets friend. That's an understatement! Ofcourse I'm hoping for the Russell Wilson story book situation here with Hack. Or the Phillips Rivers situation with Petty. I think Rivers sat his first year. Maybe that's just not our fate and if not, no I don't want them out there to get crushed. So if either of these doesn't work then how about the Alex Smith situation with Geno. He was very shaky his first two-three years in SF before he came around. Point being is I was just hoping one of the young QBs would step up to having a average season at that. Even Geno if necessary.

All we need is a average season out of them because let's be real here Jets faithful, BMarsh and Deck mainly made Fitz season A plus. Well A plus by Fitz standards anyway. If it wasn't for them catching passing they really shouldn't have or running after the catch for extra yards that they did. Fitz season would have a lot more of an average stature as he usually has. Yes Fitz had to read the routes and throw the ball I get that but BMarsh caught quite a few passes that he turned into something special. When they really should have been incomplete passes or ints.

 

[jetgreen13]

How is QB being handled so poorly? Did we miss out on Brady, Brees, etc in FA? No, we signed a guy who had the best year a QB has ever had for us since Namath, brought continuity to the team, and put us in place to expound upon last year's (to some) unexpected success.

For the future, are we killed by Geno's salary, Petty's, or Hack's? you might not like the picks, but that's an opinion.

I am really excited about Hack. This guy was going to be special in a pro-style offense when the now coach of the Texans was at PS. Then, they moved to a more traditional college offense, and he was a fish out of water. I think this guy leap frogs Petty & Geno quickly, and is taking pointers from legit NFL QB on how to prepare.

your assessment is curious.

i'm missing that as well.. obviously 82 is not a fan of fitzpatrick but the jets clearly are.. the two year deal (to spread out the cap hit) that absolutely is a one year deal, couldn't have been handled better, IMO..

the jets aren't interested in smith as a starter.. period.. hell, bowles is already on record that smith has to win the backup spot..

& why rush petty & hackenberg into action before they are ready?? morbid curiosity??

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Let's not make this into a Geno and Fitz debate because this seems it's where your going by your last few post to me directly or indirectly. Obviously I'm not a Fitz guy and obviously your not a Geno guy. News flash, I'm not a Geno guy either, well not anymore anyway. I'm not a fan of either and don't want to see either of them on the field. I believe if Havk or Petty are even half way ready then put either one out there and let the veteran weapons guide and help them. We all know what we have in Fitz and Geno and that's pure shit. What we don't know is what do have in the other two and that's what I want to see.

Note: I see I'm probably the only one who feels this way besides one or two others and that's fine with me. I just don't want to debate or make this into a nasty thing. The Jets resigned Fitz and he's our starter. I'll rout for him and the team knowing for a fact he will flop and disappoint us all sooner or later. The excitement for me would have seeing do we possibly have a franchise QB in the making with Hack or Petty. That's all!

Try telling our veteran players that we'll be starting Bryce Petty or Christian Hackenberg for the 2016 season.

And when you're done, let me know how that goes.

 

[jets82]

How is QB being handled so poorly? Did we miss out on Brady, Brees, etc in FA? No, we signed a guy who had the best year a QB has ever had for us since Namath, brought continuity to the team, and put us in place to expound upon last year's (to some) unexpected success.

For the future, are we killed by Geno's salary, Petty's, or Hack's? you might not like the picks, but that's an opinion.

I am really excited about Hack. This guy was going to be special in a pro-style offense when the now coach of the Texans was at PS. Then, they moved to a more traditional college offense, and he was a fish out of water. I think this guy leap frogs Petty & Geno quickly, and is taking pointers from legit NFL QB on how to prepare.

your assessment is curious.

I feel the same about Hack and that's why I want to see what he can do. I was hopeful that he would pick up enough to be a starter this year like Russell Wilson did with Seattle but if he ain't ready, then he ain't ready. No the Jets didn't miss out on Brady or Breez but Fitz ain't even a Matthew Stafford. I believe anyway! Put any two average WRs with Fitz last year and the Jets would have won 6-7 games at most and Fitz would not have had the season he did. Point being, he didn't make the receivers, they made him. Fitz is playing with a HOFer in Marshall and potential in Deck. If they made Fitz into what he was last year then why couldn't they do it with the others? Hack and Petty mainly.

 

[jets82]

Try telling our veteran players that we'll be starting Bryce Petty or Christian Hackenberg for the 2016 season.

And when you're done, let me know how that goes.

Lol, true very true! However, I'll also tell them that they'll win 9 maybe 10 games and Fitz will fail them like he's done last year and every year before and I bet most will believe it.

 

[jets82]

i'm missing that as well.. obviously 82 is not a fan of fitzpatrick but the jets clearly are.. the two year deal (to spread out the cap hit) that absolutely is a one year deal, couldn't have been handled better, IMO..

the jets aren't interested in smith as a starter.. period.. hell, bowles is already on record that smith has to win the backup spot..

& why rush petty & hackenberg into action before they are ready?? morbid curiosity??

Not morbit curiosity or thinking. Just ready to see if we have a further with our young QBs. I'd rather see the beast we don't know then the beast we do, that will fail us anyway. Besides, let's not say that the Jets are fans of Fitz because if they were they would been signed him. They did because obviously they had no other choice. Geno probably still sucks and the other two aren't no where near ready which is sad, real sad!

 

[jetgreen13]

Not morbit curiosity or thinking. Just ready to see if we have a further with our young QBs. I'd rather see the beast we don't know then the beast we do, that will fail us anyway.

you seem to be taking a page out of the smith supporters "conjecture" playbook..

 

[flgreen]

I really like Fitz and he is the best option for the Jets, but I just think he has a ceiling in his play and therefore should have a ceiling for his contract. I don't care what we pay him for 1 year. I'm glad Mac did the right thing and made it a one year deal and make him prove it that he is worth another one year deal. Mac has done a great job managing and sticking to his plan so far.

The one year 12 M contract is what Fitz asked for over month ago