The one saving grace is at least it is in a Geno thread where it belongs. Maybe it keeps the talk out of every other thread.
Geno Smith?
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Left Coast Lazy @NYC2California
@RichCimini if Geno plays like he did last yr, how long before the #nyjets pull the plug? #jetsmail
@RichCimini: I don't think the new regime gives a hoot about what happened last year, and it will evaluate Smith based only on what it sees. That said, if the Jets are 1-3 at the bye week, it'll give them a prime opportunity to make a change, starting Fitzpatrick in Week 6 against the Washington Redskins at home. Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey has a lot of confidence in Fitzpatrick, who already knows his system, so I don't think they'd hesitate to make the switch. I think Bowles & Co. want Smith to succeed because they recognize he has a higher ceiling than Fitzpatrick, but if there comes a point where they feel Fitzpatrick can do the job better ... adios, Geno. This isn't a rebuilding year. The team spent too much money in the offseason to kiss off 2015. It'll be interesting to see how Bowles manages his quarterbacks because, as we all know, it wasn't one of Rex Ryan's strong suits.
@RichCimini if Geno plays like he did last yr, how long before the #nyjets pull the plug? #jetsmail
@RichCimini: I don't think the new regime gives a hoot about what happened last year, and it will evaluate Smith based only on what it sees. That said, if the Jets are 1-3 at the bye week, it'll give them a prime opportunity to make a change, starting Fitzpatrick in Week 6 against the Washington Redskins at home. Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey has a lot of confidence in Fitzpatrick, who already knows his system, so I don't think they'd hesitate to make the switch. I think Bowles & Co. want Smith to succeed because they recognize he has a higher ceiling than Fitzpatrick, but if there comes a point where they feel Fitzpatrick can do the job better ... adios, Geno. This isn't a rebuilding year. The team spent too much money in the offseason to kiss off 2015. It'll be interesting to see how Bowles manages his quarterbacks because, as we all know, it wasn't one of Rex Ryan's strong suits.
Same problem he had in college:
Geno Smith - QB - Jets
Geno Smith completed just 52-of-102 passes last season following an interception, sack, lost fumble, or failed third-down conversion.
ESPN's Jeff Legwold created an index that grades quarterbacks on how they perform after "bad" plays. Not surprisingly, Smith was one of the worst in the league in that category. While some players are able to block out mistakes, it's clear Smith lets his miscues haunt him throughout the game. The third-year quarterback needs to develop a shorter memory if he wants to succeed.
Geno Smith - QB - Jets
Geno Smith completed just 52-of-102 passes last season following an interception, sack, lost fumble, or failed third-down conversion.
ESPN's Jeff Legwold created an index that grades quarterbacks on how they perform after "bad" plays. Not surprisingly, Smith was one of the worst in the league in that category. While some players are able to block out mistakes, it's clear Smith lets his miscues haunt him throughout the game. The third-year quarterback needs to develop a shorter memory if he wants to succeed.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-qb-geno-smith-booed-yankees-game-won-talk-colon-article-1.2249793
Geno Smith didn’t want to talk about riding in a Porsche just yet.
The embattled Jets quarterback turned down a chance on Sunday at the Yankee game to discuss recent critical comments made by veteran guard Willie Colon, who said it's on Smith this season to play a much bigger role in the team's success and to mature in order to lead the team.
“We bought the Porsche; we’ve given him the keys; he can’t crash it,” Colon said during an interview with Sirius XM NFL Radio last week. “Bottom line, he can’t crash it. We need him to be on top of his game. We’re doing everything we can as an offensive line to make him comfortable back there.”
Smith, who attended the Yankees' 6-2 win over the Angels in the Bronx, offered a terse "no comment" when asked about Colon's remarks during the seventh inning.
When asked if he felt any added pressure because of the remarks, the signal-caller just shook his head.
Earlier in the game, Smith was shown on the Yankees jumbotron, accompanied with the Paul McCartney and Wings song “Jet” — he was met with a smattering of boos.
“I didn’t hear any of that reaction,” Smith said. “I didn’t hear any of that.”
Geno Smith poses with Triple Crown jockey Victor Espinoza.
Coming off a 4-12 season, the Jets have added more weapons on offense this year, primarily with the signing of former Pro Bowl receiver Brandon Marshall to help him reach his potential.
Now, his teammates, led by Colon, are expecting Smith, the probable starter, to make big strides this season.
"Geno's career right now is extremely turbulent," Colon had went on. "He was never ready to be the starting quarterback of the New York Jets. When Mark (Sanchez) went down (in 2013), he was thrown into the fire and he was forced to cook.
"Everybody knows in this league, to be a quarterback, which is the No. 1 position on the field, it's a maturation period you have to go through," he said. "It takes the mental, the physical and everything that goes along with it to be the best or even be in the top 10, if you will.
"Now Geno, with that said, has made his mistakes. He said some things where you look at him like, 'What are you talking about?' But I think that's all about his maturation period."
Geno Smith didn’t want to talk about riding in a Porsche just yet.
The embattled Jets quarterback turned down a chance on Sunday at the Yankee game to discuss recent critical comments made by veteran guard Willie Colon, who said it's on Smith this season to play a much bigger role in the team's success and to mature in order to lead the team.
“We bought the Porsche; we’ve given him the keys; he can’t crash it,” Colon said during an interview with Sirius XM NFL Radio last week. “Bottom line, he can’t crash it. We need him to be on top of his game. We’re doing everything we can as an offensive line to make him comfortable back there.”
Smith, who attended the Yankees' 6-2 win over the Angels in the Bronx, offered a terse "no comment" when asked about Colon's remarks during the seventh inning.
When asked if he felt any added pressure because of the remarks, the signal-caller just shook his head.
Earlier in the game, Smith was shown on the Yankees jumbotron, accompanied with the Paul McCartney and Wings song “Jet” — he was met with a smattering of boos.
“I didn’t hear any of that reaction,” Smith said. “I didn’t hear any of that.”
Geno Smith poses with Triple Crown jockey Victor Espinoza.
Coming off a 4-12 season, the Jets have added more weapons on offense this year, primarily with the signing of former Pro Bowl receiver Brandon Marshall to help him reach his potential.
Now, his teammates, led by Colon, are expecting Smith, the probable starter, to make big strides this season.
"Geno's career right now is extremely turbulent," Colon had went on. "He was never ready to be the starting quarterback of the New York Jets. When Mark (Sanchez) went down (in 2013), he was thrown into the fire and he was forced to cook.
"Everybody knows in this league, to be a quarterback, which is the No. 1 position on the field, it's a maturation period you have to go through," he said. "It takes the mental, the physical and everything that goes along with it to be the best or even be in the top 10, if you will.
"Now Geno, with that said, has made his mistakes. He said some things where you look at him like, 'What are you talking about?' But I think that's all about his maturation period."
It really just shows how slow the football news is these days.
While I tend to like a later bye week, this may play to our advantage. It provides a built-in "checkpoint" for the staff to review 1/4 of the season and decide how to proceed from there. IMO we have some winnable games after that break (assuming we come out more prepared than we did under Rex), so either Geno shows potential and uses the break to build on what he's started, or we'll have an extra week to transition to Fitz and have him as prepared as possible for a (hopefully) beatable Redskin team.
Not exactly deep thoughts, but all I got in early June . . .
The past two seasons showcased that he really didnt have to do anything at all and the jets old regime handed him the starting role. Hopefully this time around, he earns the starting role alongside the respect of his teammates. A big issue last season.
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Last season is past Dan and so is the season when Rex put Sanchez in that meaningless pre-season game, one in wich Sanchez got hurt giving Geno the job. If Fritz performs better he will get the job and Geno will be the backup.
we shall my dude.
I cringe at any QB we have vs the bills D. I hope we win both games vs them 10-0.
FLORHAM PARK — Jets quarterback Geno Smith got a chance to respond Wednesday to veteran right guard Willie Colon's candid (but not unfair or incorrect) comments about him.
This is the sort of dumb stuff (comments about comments!) that gets talked about in June in the NFL. So take it for what it's worth (next to nothing), as we bring you all the silly details here.
Last week, Colon said Smith was "never ready to be the starting quarterback" as a rookie in 2013. Colon also said, essentially, that the Jets sufficiently upgraded their offense in the offseason, and now it's on Smith to not screw things up by stinking again.
"We bought the Porsche," Colon said. "We've given him the keys. He can't crash it. Bottom line. He can't crash it. We need him to be on top of his game."
This is all correct. If Smith, he of 41 turnovers in his first two seasons combined, doesn't perform better in 2015, the Jets almost certainly will crash and burn. Any Jets fan with a brain has already thought these things a dozen times over.
Jets coach Todd Bowles offered a mixed reaction to Colon's comments. And then Colon said Tuesday that he "misspoke" while making the remarks. But again, what he said was 100 percent correct and blatantly obvious.
Here's what Smith had to say Wednesday about Colon's comments: "I had no response [to them]. I talk to Willie a lot. We talk a lot about team camaraderie and what we can do to help out this locker room by not saying things in the media. Willie is a veteran player, so he understands this. Mostly, I thought what he said was the right thing to say, just not in that text. I don't see anything wrong with it."
Smith clarified that he wasn't bothered by the comments, though he agreed with the notion Bowles expressed — that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
"Of course," Smith said. "That goes back to what we're taught as kids. Speak positive and say positive things."
Not that Smith's first two seasons — complete with turnovers, cursing at a fan and missing a meeting during a road trip — deserve effusive praise. And Smith gets that, as he should. The reality is, any criticism or questioning of Smith, after those two seasons, is completely warranted.
"Me knowing Willie and knowing the way that he talks, I know what he meant," Smith said. "I don't think he meant anything harmful. I don't think he meant to say anything negative. But at the same time, Willie and I talked that night, and everything is good.
"I think what he said was that we need to be on top of our game, and I need to be on top of my game, and I believe that that's true. I think what he said, in that regard, wasn't wrong."
Of course it wasn't wrong. Why would anyone think it was wrong? Quite simply, this is the year Smith has to take the next step. (Yet another totally obvious statement.)
"I agree," Smith said. "I believe that we've all got to take the next step. We've all got to raise our level of play. Me, as the quarterback, my game has got to be on point every single week. That's something that we all know. Having a good quarterback has a direct correlation to winning in this league."
Does Smith think the Jets have put enough talented pieces around him for the offense to finally start succeeding on a consistent basis?
"I think we have a shot," he said. "But it's still early and we've got a lot of work to do."
So that's that. And now we can all get on with our lives.
This is the sort of dumb stuff (comments about comments!) that gets talked about in June in the NFL. So take it for what it's worth (next to nothing), as we bring you all the silly details here.
Last week, Colon said Smith was "never ready to be the starting quarterback" as a rookie in 2013. Colon also said, essentially, that the Jets sufficiently upgraded their offense in the offseason, and now it's on Smith to not screw things up by stinking again.
"We bought the Porsche," Colon said. "We've given him the keys. He can't crash it. Bottom line. He can't crash it. We need him to be on top of his game."
This is all correct. If Smith, he of 41 turnovers in his first two seasons combined, doesn't perform better in 2015, the Jets almost certainly will crash and burn. Any Jets fan with a brain has already thought these things a dozen times over.
Jets coach Todd Bowles offered a mixed reaction to Colon's comments. And then Colon said Tuesday that he "misspoke" while making the remarks. But again, what he said was 100 percent correct and blatantly obvious.
Here's what Smith had to say Wednesday about Colon's comments: "I had no response [to them]. I talk to Willie a lot. We talk a lot about team camaraderie and what we can do to help out this locker room by not saying things in the media. Willie is a veteran player, so he understands this. Mostly, I thought what he said was the right thing to say, just not in that text. I don't see anything wrong with it."
Smith clarified that he wasn't bothered by the comments, though he agreed with the notion Bowles expressed — that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
"Of course," Smith said. "That goes back to what we're taught as kids. Speak positive and say positive things."
Not that Smith's first two seasons — complete with turnovers, cursing at a fan and missing a meeting during a road trip — deserve effusive praise. And Smith gets that, as he should. The reality is, any criticism or questioning of Smith, after those two seasons, is completely warranted.
"Me knowing Willie and knowing the way that he talks, I know what he meant," Smith said. "I don't think he meant anything harmful. I don't think he meant to say anything negative. But at the same time, Willie and I talked that night, and everything is good.
"I think what he said was that we need to be on top of our game, and I need to be on top of my game, and I believe that that's true. I think what he said, in that regard, wasn't wrong."
Of course it wasn't wrong. Why would anyone think it was wrong? Quite simply, this is the year Smith has to take the next step. (Yet another totally obvious statement.)
"I agree," Smith said. "I believe that we've all got to take the next step. We've all got to raise our level of play. Me, as the quarterback, my game has got to be on point every single week. That's something that we all know. Having a good quarterback has a direct correlation to winning in this league."
Does Smith think the Jets have put enough talented pieces around him for the offense to finally start succeeding on a consistent basis?
"I think we have a shot," he said. "But it's still early and we've got a lot of work to do."
So that's that. And now we can all get on with our lives.
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. - You won't find much support for embattled quarterback Geno Smith outside the friendly confines of the Jets' training facility, but there's at least one NFL expert who believes Smith is ready to have a big season that will go a long way toward casting aside doubts about his ability as a franchise-caliber quarterback.
"I see him winning the job and having a good year," former NFL quarterback Shaun King, now an NFL analyst for Yahoo Sports, said of Smith. "He's shown that he has the skill set to play at a high level, and now that the Jets have put some good players around him, I think that will help. If he was really bad and was surrounded by elite personnel, then fine. But name one significant skill player he had."
King isn't ignoring all the mistakes Smith made his first two seasons; there were a ton of miscues, including 34 interceptions and eight lost fumbles. But the former Buccaneers starter refuses to overlook the bright spots.
"If we're being honest with ourselves, Geno Smith's first two years have been extremely unfair as far as his evaluation is concerned," King said. "Tell me one mistake that [Miami's] Ryan Tannehill made his first two years. You can't, because he didn't grow up on national television. When Geno was a rookie quarterback and every time he made a mistake, it was [discussed] on national TV. Yet, if you can put together a significant highlight tape of playing excellent football, that tells you something.
"When he was bad, he was really bad," King said. "But when he was good, he was really good. Look at the last games of both seasons . The Atlanta game [as a rookie]. He played well against the Patriots. He showed enough as a young quarterback where if you could get better around him, he would benefit. But when you have the worst supporting cast in the entire league, it's tough to win."
King identifies with Smith's early career track, which is somewhat similar to his own with the Buccaneers. He took over late in the season as a rookie in 1999 and helped the Bucs reach the NFC Championship Game against the Rams. He started the entire 2000 season, and the Bucs went 10-6 to reach the playoffs again, losing to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The following season, the Bucs gave up on King and acquired Brad Johnson, who helped the team win the Super Bowl after the 2002 season.
"It's tough for a young quarterback in this league," King said. "When do you get to fail? When do you get to mess up for three or four games and learn from it? Andrew Luck [of the Colts] is a rare bird who hit the ground running as a rookie and played like a Pro Bowler. He's like American Pharoah. There are some good 3-year-old horses, but rarely is there an all-time great one like Luck. Most quarterbacks have to have time to fail, but they're not given the opportunity to fail."
Smith has the opportunity for a third straight year; Jets rookie coach Todd Bowles says it's his job to lose, and it would be an upset if Smith doesn't go into the season as the starter ahead of veteran Ryan Fitzpatrick. And yet the doubts persist, even inside the locker room. Veteran guard Willie Colon compared the Jets' roster, which has been upgraded with the addition of several high-priced free agents and the trade for wide receiver Brandon Marshall, to a Porsche and said of Smith: "We've given him the keys. He can't crash it."
Colon and Smith smoothed things over, and Colon believes his comments were misinterpreted because he supports Smith.
How would King have reacted if he were in Smith's place?
"Publicly, I don't have a reaction," King said. "Privately, I go to Willie and I say, 'Listen, let's watch your last 32 games, where half those games, you play like a below-average guard. [Colon] has been just as inconsistent as Geno Smith. He hasn't played at a Pro Bowl level, but everybody's pointing at Geno and the offense."
Now that the Jets have built up the defense through free agency, traded for Marshall, and added depth in the draft, there is plenty around Smith to make it work. But Colon is right about the quarterback's role: He can't afford to crash the car. If he does, his time in New York will soon be up.
But King believes Smith will make it work. And if his assessment of the Jets' quarterback is as spot on as the ones about last year's top rookie passers, King's take on Smith might resonate.
To review: King thought Johnny Manziel was vastly overrated and would be abysmal in the NFL. Check. He thought Blake Bortles would be a developmental quarterback who'd need more time to blossom. Check. And he thought Teddy Bridgewater would be the most productive one of all. Check.
Tune in this fall to see if he's right about Geno.
"I see him winning the job and having a good year," former NFL quarterback Shaun King, now an NFL analyst for Yahoo Sports, said of Smith. "He's shown that he has the skill set to play at a high level, and now that the Jets have put some good players around him, I think that will help. If he was really bad and was surrounded by elite personnel, then fine. But name one significant skill player he had."
King isn't ignoring all the mistakes Smith made his first two seasons; there were a ton of miscues, including 34 interceptions and eight lost fumbles. But the former Buccaneers starter refuses to overlook the bright spots.
"If we're being honest with ourselves, Geno Smith's first two years have been extremely unfair as far as his evaluation is concerned," King said. "Tell me one mistake that [Miami's] Ryan Tannehill made his first two years. You can't, because he didn't grow up on national television. When Geno was a rookie quarterback and every time he made a mistake, it was [discussed] on national TV. Yet, if you can put together a significant highlight tape of playing excellent football, that tells you something.
"When he was bad, he was really bad," King said. "But when he was good, he was really good. Look at the last games of both seasons . The Atlanta game [as a rookie]. He played well against the Patriots. He showed enough as a young quarterback where if you could get better around him, he would benefit. But when you have the worst supporting cast in the entire league, it's tough to win."
King identifies with Smith's early career track, which is somewhat similar to his own with the Buccaneers. He took over late in the season as a rookie in 1999 and helped the Bucs reach the NFC Championship Game against the Rams. He started the entire 2000 season, and the Bucs went 10-6 to reach the playoffs again, losing to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The following season, the Bucs gave up on King and acquired Brad Johnson, who helped the team win the Super Bowl after the 2002 season.
"It's tough for a young quarterback in this league," King said. "When do you get to fail? When do you get to mess up for three or four games and learn from it? Andrew Luck [of the Colts] is a rare bird who hit the ground running as a rookie and played like a Pro Bowler. He's like American Pharoah. There are some good 3-year-old horses, but rarely is there an all-time great one like Luck. Most quarterbacks have to have time to fail, but they're not given the opportunity to fail."
Smith has the opportunity for a third straight year; Jets rookie coach Todd Bowles says it's his job to lose, and it would be an upset if Smith doesn't go into the season as the starter ahead of veteran Ryan Fitzpatrick. And yet the doubts persist, even inside the locker room. Veteran guard Willie Colon compared the Jets' roster, which has been upgraded with the addition of several high-priced free agents and the trade for wide receiver Brandon Marshall, to a Porsche and said of Smith: "We've given him the keys. He can't crash it."
Colon and Smith smoothed things over, and Colon believes his comments were misinterpreted because he supports Smith.
How would King have reacted if he were in Smith's place?
"Publicly, I don't have a reaction," King said. "Privately, I go to Willie and I say, 'Listen, let's watch your last 32 games, where half those games, you play like a below-average guard. [Colon] has been just as inconsistent as Geno Smith. He hasn't played at a Pro Bowl level, but everybody's pointing at Geno and the offense."
Now that the Jets have built up the defense through free agency, traded for Marshall, and added depth in the draft, there is plenty around Smith to make it work. But Colon is right about the quarterback's role: He can't afford to crash the car. If he does, his time in New York will soon be up.
But King believes Smith will make it work. And if his assessment of the Jets' quarterback is as spot on as the ones about last year's top rookie passers, King's take on Smith might resonate.
To review: King thought Johnny Manziel was vastly overrated and would be abysmal in the NFL. Check. He thought Blake Bortles would be a developmental quarterback who'd need more time to blossom. Check. And he thought Teddy Bridgewater would be the most productive one of all. Check.
Tune in this fall to see if he's right about Geno.
You dont think they're getting all amped up like Rex and talking super bowl?
This is true. Delusions of grandeur.
Jack Mewhort - G - Colts
The Colts have used second-year OL Jack Mewhort strictly at right tackle throughout spring practices.
They're preparing to start Mewhort there after he spent his rookie season at guard. Incumbent RT Gosder Cherilus is a replacement-level player who is battling chronic knee problems. From left to right, we'd guess the Colts' Week 1 line ends up as LT Anthony Castonzo, LG Hugh Thornton, C Khaled Holmes, RG Todd Herremans, and RT Mewhort. It's a sub-par unit, but the Colts didn't have a great line last year, either, and ranked No. 3 in total offense.
The Colts have used second-year OL Jack Mewhort strictly at right tackle throughout spring practices.
They're preparing to start Mewhort there after he spent his rookie season at guard. Incumbent RT Gosder Cherilus is a replacement-level player who is battling chronic knee problems. From left to right, we'd guess the Colts' Week 1 line ends up as LT Anthony Castonzo, LG Hugh Thornton, C Khaled Holmes, RG Todd Herremans, and RT Mewhort. It's a sub-par unit, but the Colts didn't have a great line last year, either, and ranked No. 3 in total offense.
I really hope Geno practices well today to give the coaching staff some sort of ease going into the break until training camp begins.
If not, i feel not only will Fitz split the back up snaps, but quite possibly the starters as well.
If not, i feel not only will Fitz split the back up snaps, but quite possibly the starters as well.