Gotta make this trade for the long run...

[mydogisajetsfan]

As much as I like Mo and all he contributes to the team, the failed regimes of Tannenbaum (i.e., the 2012 draft) and Idzik (everything he touched) leave no choice but to trade him for picks. There are just too many holes and not enough youth (or cap space) for sustainable success. A second and a fourth is a start. The draft then looks like....

1st: Reggie Ragland, ILB
You may get more bang for your buck with an OLB or OT but the drop-off at ILB after Ragland is huge. If he's there at 20, you take him and say goodbye to David Harris after this season and I think Macc is hoping he's there.

2nd: Kamalei Correa, OLB
Would make a nice bookend with Mauldin.

2nd: Taylor Decker, OT
Starts at RT for a year and saves Mac $14mm next season at LT.

3rd: Will Redmond, CB
Fills a need in the secondary and plays special teams. There's no future #1 CB on this roster and Redmond could be the guy.

4th: Kenny Lawler, WR
Good size wide-out who can make spectacular catches (and drops).

4th: Jonathan Williams, RB
Would be the first Razorback drafted if not for his injury. Gotta take a RB early in the draft.

5th: Graham Glasgow, C
Finally a professional backup center to eventually replace Thor!

I would love to see new young, fast blood at LB and CB with the rest of the talent on defense. This draft sets the team up to replace the legacy guys still on the team with cheaper youngsters. Of course Mac has to hit on virtually all of these picks or we start again. It potentially saves over $30mm on the 2017 cap hit by replacing only 4 starters. That leaves a lot of resources next year to find replacements for Brandon, Decker, Revis and Gilchrist. And a QB. If none of Idzik's rejects (Dozier, Winters, Qvale) become a viable RT or RG, those holes will be plugged next year as well.

 

[ucrenegade]

if we only can get a second for mo then the trade is not worth it to begin with.

 

[butterscotch]

I still want to know what happened to MO & the Jets.......the real story

 

[isired]

Problem is, nobody seems to be willing to trade for a $16mm/yr 3-4 DE + give up multiple draft picks. For the same reason we're willing to part ways ($) teams are hesitant to take him on AND give up multiple draft picks.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

Problem is, nobody seems to be willing to trade for a $16mm/yr 3-4 DE + give up multiple draft picks. For the same reason we're willing to part ways ($) teams are hesitant to take him on AND give up multiple draft picks.

You may be right (unfortunately). I'm still hopeful that a team like Oakland who have added serious talent in the last two drafts feel they're a great player away from having a dominating defense. And they have the cap space. A second and fourth is not too much for them to give up for a missing piece. It also looks like they've learned from their mistakes of signing older free agents to fill in gaps. Ditto with Jacksonville.

 

[Jet Blast]

if we only can get a second for mo then the trade is not worth it to begin with.

You are absolutely right, BUT...

What do you think our chances of reaching an agreement with MO are next year? If Mac feels they will lose him next year anyway, then it begins to make sense to trade him for SOMETHING this year as opposed to losing him outright next year. However, if Mac feels we can (and wants to) re-sign him next year, then he shouldn't think of trading for anything short of a ridiculous haul, which is highly unlikely given the current situation.

 

[ucrenegade]

You are absolutely right, BUT...

What do you think our chances of reaching an agreement with MO are next year? If Mac feels they will lose him next year anyway, then it begins to make sense to trade him for SOMETHING this year as opposed to losing him outright next year. However, if Mac feels we can (and wants to) re-sign him next year, then he shouldn't think of trading for anything short of a ridiculous haul, which is highly unlikely given the current situation.

I think mac should wait to see if he performs on the same level as he did last year if so then yes they will sign him you don't pass on the next reggie white unless a team is willing to overpay you. If mo takes a step back then you have other options. I think one more year of mo will give mac more options then he has now for this current year.

 

[butterscotch]

I think mac should wait to see if he performs on the same level as he did last year if so then yes they will sign him you don't pass on the next reggie white unless a team is willing to overpay you. If mo takes a step back then you have other options. I think one more year of mo will give mac more options then he has now for this current year.

Mo can't be happy....not good...except that the jets won't be easy to get money out of

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

Mo can't be happy....not good...except that the jets won't be easy to get money out of

Mo is looking out for what's best for him and his family. Mac is looking out for what's best for him and the Jets family. This isn't personal Butter, it's strictly business. The sad part is Mo and his team are not being realistic in what they think he can command on the open market. He's not going to get it. They're making the same mistake Team Fitzpatrick are making.

As I've stated before, I get younger and mid-tier guys need to make as much as they can get. God bless. On the other hand, guys who are squeezing a few million more to bring their career wages to over $100mm instead of a mere $90mm don't get much sympathy from me. Put another way, Phillip Rivers, Brock Osweiler, Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton are all making more than Brady. In some cases $10mm more PER SEASON. And together they have exactly 0 Super Bowl titles. ZERO. How many does Brady have? I hate they guy but there's a reason they're great every year.

Looking past this season, five spots need to be found and groomed. Two tackles, WR, ILB and C would save $40mm next season. Those spots must be filled. Maybe the braintrust feel they have one T on the current roster. The rest of the spots are not on the current roster. Take the picks and draft well. That's what Mac needs to do.

 

[butterscotch]

Mo is looking out for what's best for him and his family. Mac is looking out for what's best for him and the Jets family. This isn't personal Butter, it's strictly business. The sad part is Mo and his team are not being realistic in what they think he can command on the open market. He's not going to get it. They're making the same mistake Team Fitzpatrick are making.

Looking past this season, five spots need to be found and groomed. Two tackles, WR, ILB and C would save $40mm next season. Those spots must be filled. Maybe the braintrust feel they have one T on the current roster. The rest of the spots are not on the current roster. Take the picks and draft well. That's what Mac needs to do.

It all comes down to woody & big mac now.

Tb later

Its a business but after all this time it can't be rosie

 

[mykcuz]

Mo is looking out for what's best for him and his family. Mac is looking out for what's best for him and the Jets family. This isn't personal Butter, it's strictly business. The sad part is Mo and his team are not being realistic in what they think he can command on the open market. He's not going to get it. They're making the same mistake Team Fitzpatrick are making.

As I've stated before, I get younger and mid-tier guys need to make as much as they can get. God bless. On the other hand, guys who are squeezing a few million more to bring their career wages to over $100mm instead of a mere $90mm don't get much sympathy from me. Put another way, Phillip Rivers, Brock Osweiler, Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton are all making more than Brady. In some cases $10mm more PER SEASON. And together they have exactly 0 Super Bowl titles. ZERO. How many does Brady have? I hate they guy but there's a reason they're great every year.

Looking past this season, five spots need to be found and groomed. Two tackles, WR, ILB and C would save $40mm next season. Those spots must be filled. Maybe the braintrust feel they have one T on the current roster. The rest of the spots are not on the current roster. Take the picks and draft well. That's what Mac needs to do.

Brady is a poor example. He was the highest paid qb in football at one point. He only lowered his price when they were contenders and the money went to a player he wanted. That's why he was pissed when he took a pay cut and the pats didn't re sign Wes.

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[mykcuz]

You are absolutely right, BUT...

What do you think our chances of reaching an agreement with MO are next year? If Mac feels they will lose him next year anyway, then it begins to make sense to trade him for SOMETHING this year as opposed to losing him outright next year. However, if Mac feels we can (and wants to) re-sign him next year, then he shouldn't think of trading for anything short of a ridiculous haul, which is highly unlikely given the current situation.

We won't lose him next year, he can be tagged again. And it gives us another year to see how he heels.

If we can turn mo into 2 key players it's worth it. The fact that we get cap space freed up is a bonus.

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[mydogisajetsfan]

Brady is a poor example. He was the highest paid qb in football at one point. He only lowered his price when they were contenders and the money went to a player he wanted. That's why he was pissed when he took a pay cut and the pats didn't re sign Wes.

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THAT'S THE POINT! He was the highest paid QB at one point AND COULD BE THE HIGHEST PAID EVERY YEAR. But he put the team ahead of his greed. After all, how many more things can you buy with $200mm than you could with only $150mm?

 

[mykcuz]

THAT'S THE POINT! He was the highest paid QB at one point AND COULD BE THE HIGHEST PAID EVERY YEAR. But he put the team ahead of his greed. After all, how many more things can you buy with $200mm than you could with only $150mm?

And I understand your point, but Brady already had his mega deal. Mo has never had one, and not everyone believes in their teams chances of making the super bowl. When you know you're going to be there often, you can lower your contact to ensure the guys you need in that game are with you, and you have a chance to be a4 time champ.

When you're on a mediocre team there's no reason to sacrifice your income for a team that is barely making the playoffs. There's more to consider than just desire to be a team player, and is easier to be a team player once you already have 100 mil in the bank.

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[isired]

Brady is a poor example. He was the highest paid qb in football at one point. He only lowered his price when they were contenders and the money went to a player he wanted. That's why he was pissed when he took a pay cut and the pats didn't re sign Wes.

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I agree that Brady is a bad comp for Mo or any player looking for their first big payday, but not everyone does what Brady did. Look at Peyton - he was wealthy as a rookie, and I think maybe he's renegotiated to make more cap-friendly contracts in the past, but he's never taken a penny less to bring in other players.

In fact, Brady is either the only, or by far the most conspicuous, example of this that I can think of.

Hate that fucker.

 

[butterscotch]

The BB Cardinals have many players that take a cut for the Team. Mo is what Mo is

 

[Mugatu]

I cannot blame Mo for wanting to break the bank...not at all. Considering the coin players like Olivier Vernon got this offseason, you can't blame him for wanting to get paid. Stop using the Watt comparison. That deal is old news and was signed when the cap was lower than today.

He likely has this ONE big payday to ensure the wealth and future of his family for years to come. He doesn't have multiple sources of income like a Brady or Manning or even Watt. Nobody wants Mo to sell Papa Johns Pizza... He needs to make his cake now, and he has to do so on the football field. Let's be honest here.... Black players in the trenches rarely get endorsement opportunities that their white counterparts do... At least on a national level.

 

[Mugatu]

I agree that Brady is a bad comp for Mo or any player looking for their first big payday, but not everyone does what Brady did. Look at Peyton - he was wealthy as a rookie, and I think maybe he's renegotiated to make more cap-friendly contracts in the past, but he's never taken a penny less to bring in other players.

In fact, Brady is either the only, or by far the most conspicuous, example of this that I can think of.

Hate that fucker.

It's a lot easier being generous when you wife is the worlds top model that's worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

[Mugatu]

Everyone wants Mo to sign for cheap for the good of the team....yet I bet 0% of the people that advocate this would be willing to cut their own salary by 15% so the boss could pay another employee. Never mind the fact that you're the best employee he has.

 

[butterscotch]

Everyone wants Mo to sign for cheap for the good of the team....yet I bet 0% of the people that advocate this would be willing to cut their own salary by 15% so the boss could pay another employee. Never mind the fact that you're the best employee he has.

I wonder how many of these teams will pay him what he is asking