Is it at all possible that Geno Smith has developed this year to being a real QB this year?

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Yeah, talented. If he didn't have it, he wouldn't have made it to the NFL. Question is does he have enough to stay on the Jets and in the NFL.
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If Geno was cut tomorrow he would have a job in 30 minutes somewhere else
 
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Is there a league out there that has unsighted GMs?

If so Genomarcus is a LOCK for a 30 minute signing
 
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sg3

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In other words GMS who can see are not lining up waving cash to sign the worst ranked NFL starting QB in both his dreadfully incompetent years in the league.

Why would they??
 

Bigmoe

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Yeah, talented. If he didn't have it, he wouldn't have made it to the NFL

I really don't want to beleaguer the point
But do you know how many " untalented " players made it to the NFL?
I could make a list that would make heads spin
Geno's can take hs "talent" elsewhere
And you guys can cheer him on
I've seen enough
His Talent is worth.....
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Quote Originally Posted by jets82 View Post



Yeah, talented. If he didn't have it, he wouldn't have made it to the NFL. Question is does he have enough to stay on the Jets and in the NFL.
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If Geno was cut tomorrow he would have a job in 30 minutes somewhere else
Yea but white castle is off topic
 

mykcuz

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I'm not arguing Fitz being here and happy he is here. He will push Geno or any QB for the job and that's great. Problem here is ALOT of people are ready to throw in the towel on Geno and seem to think Fitz is the answer, even if its short term and I don't agree. Geno may not be the answer but Fitz ain't either. He wasn't for ten years on multiple teams. If he wasn't there why would he be here? Fitz has already shown us who he is.

Once again, he's done it for ten years in multiple teams. Where as Geno hasn't yet. He's played on one team for two years with horrid teams and garbage coaching and management people. Why is this so hard to figure out, its simple common sence people. Geno has upside, he has to. He is only 24 yrs old and still learning. What more are we going to see out if Fitz we don't already know. If Geno doesn't have any upside then Fitz definitely doesn't.
So what you're saying is that simms is the clear favorite.
 
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Fitz, Simms, Winston, Mariota, Grayson, Petty, Hundley, Mannion,. 31 other NFL starters and I 5+ NFL backups are ALL better than Geno Smith
 

jets82

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To bigmoe, sg3, jet setter, Hyatt, myKcuz, jetfandreamer and anyone else who fells Geno will fall on his face this year or already has. I've said this before and I'll say it again, for the sake of Geno I hope he proves all of you wrong (including me) that he is our QB. I wasn't rooting for him and I was ready to do away with him myself but now I'm am because of all the haters here.

I started this thread because I was thinking unless we draft Winston, we will probably be stuck with Geno at least this year anyway. So we might as well be hopeful for his success. Mariota may be able to beat him out but being that he is just a green as Geno was coming out the draft, he will take sometime most likely to come around also. If there is a rookie besides Winston that we know for a fact can beat Geno out then tell me because I don't see it.

I damn sure don't see Fitz doing it. You know, the 32 yrs old journeymen bust that played for 10 years on multiple teams that cut him or let him go in FA. So being that the the distain is so blanant when we just might have to depend on him. I hope Geno throws it all in everyone's face (including me) that doubts him and let's see what you all have to say then.
 

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I am not a Geno fan I have never been one. I do not believe he is the long term answer. I am not willing to totally write him off yet, lets see what happens in preseason this year. I think Geno hate blinds some fans to the possibly a player can improve in his 3rd season.
 
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Yeah, talented. If he didn't have it, he wouldn't have made it to the NFL. Question is does he have enough to stay on the Jets and in the NFL.


Sorry but being talented in college is a completely different thing than being talented in the NFL. Most college players fail when entering the NFL, QB's especially. How many guys with great arms and incredible physical tools simply can't play at the NFL level, a ton. Fitz isn't a great QB, but it's the games he won't lose for you that makes the difference between him and Geno.
 

jets82

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Sorry but being talented in college is a completely different thing than being talented in the NFL. Most college players fail when entering the NFL, QB's especially. How many guys with great arms and incredible physical tools simply can't play at the NFL level, a ton. Fitz isn't a great QB, but it's the games he won't lose for you that makes the difference between him and Geno.
Maybe your right and we'll see but I doubt it. I can't argue anything your saying because Geno hasn't given me a reason to do so. I will say this, Geno is 24 with a lot of talent and played for two years with garbage teams and horrible coaching and management. That has got to caught for something. He has a chance now to show he can do something with a team with weapons that is ready to win Plus coaches and management that know what the hell they are doing. If he does what I hope and think he can do, then that only works for us that we have a QB now. If it doesn't, then we move on to Fitz or whomever because I believe he will win the starting job, unless we some how can draft Winston or trade for Breez or Rivers.
 
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Maybe your right and we'll see but I doubt it. I can't argue anything your saying because Geno hasn't given me a reason to do so. I will say this, Geno is 24 with a lot of talent and played for two years with garbage teams and horrible coaching and management. That has got to caught for something. He has a chance now to show he can do something with a team with weapons that is ready to win Plus coaches and management that know what the hell they are doing. If he does what I hope and think he can do, then that only works for us that we have a QB now. If it doesn't, then we move on to Fitz or whomever because I believe he will win the starting job, unless we some how can draft Winston or trade for Breez or Rivers.

I can't blame you for having blind faith, but it is blind faith. There is simply nothing to base it on because Geno, with all this "talent" you believe he has, has never done a single thing to show it, and no one pass or one single play doesn't prove he can play. The fact is regardless of how bad the team or coaching have been, Geno has proved he doesn't belong in the NFL.
 

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I can't blame you for having blind faith, but it is blind faith. There is simply nothing to base it on because Geno, with all this "talent" you believe he has, has never done a single thing to show it, and no one pass or one single play doesn't prove he can play. The fact is regardless of how bad the team or coaching have been, Geno has proved he doesn't belong in the NFL.


i'm not exactly a huge geno fan, but this is false. now i'm noting only very brief snippets, but in 2013, he had the 2nd highest passer rating (behind only peyton manning) for the month of december and last season he had a perfect QB rating in the miami game.

he may not ever be a great, or even good, starting QB. but you don't put up those types of numbers, even over a brief period, if you can't "play in the nfl"
 
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i'm not exactly a huge geno fan, but this is false. now i'm noting only very brief snippets, but in 2013, he had the 2nd highest passer rating (behind only peyton manning) for the month of december and last season he had a perfect QB rating in the miami game.

he may not ever be a great, or even good, starting QB. but you don't put up those types of numbers, even over a brief period, if you can't "play in the nfl"

Well I guess it would depend on the "collective" definition of being able to play in the NFL? So it's true that that is somewhat subjective, and anyone can cherry pick a game or stat to support their argument. For me however it's pretty simple, my eye tells me that Geno doesn't belong on an NFL field. The fact that he's carried the lowest to near lowest QBR for two years tells me all I need to know.
 

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Well I guess it would depend on the "collective" definition of being able to play in the NFL? So it's true that that is somewhat subjective, and anyone can cherry pick a game or stat to support their argument. For me however it's pretty simple, my eye tells me that Geno doesn't belong on an NFL field. The fact that he's carried the lowest to near lowest QBR for two years tells me all I need to know.

well it wasn't just one game. it was a 4 game span to end the 2013 season where he had a better QB rating than every QB in the entire nfl not named peyton manning.

as to whether he can play in the nfl, i have severe questions as to whether he can be a quality starting QB. but if he were cut today, i'd be willing to bet he would be picked up by another team within a day or 2. now there's no way to prove this of course. but there's a difference between saying he doesn't belong in the league and questioning whether he can be a good starting QB.
 
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well it wasn't just one game. it was a 4 game span to end the 2013 season where he had a better QB rating than every QB in the entire nfl not named peyton manning.

as to whether he can play in the nfl, i have severe questions as to whether he can be a quality starting QB. but if he were cut today, i'd be willing to bet he would be picked up by another team within a day or 2. now there's no way to prove this of course. but there's a difference between saying he doesn't belong in the league and questioning whether he can be a good starting QB.

Sure there's a difference between the two but he was drafted with the hopes of being more than just a third string back up running scout teams. So does it really matter if he's bounces around at the bottom a couple teams depth chart before being booted out of the league all together? The point is he's not what the jets need.
 
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