Macc On Petty's progress

jetgreen13

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Thanks for the compliment... I see your point, but let's face it of Fitz is our guy next year, and I think most expect him to be, he should take the bare minimum of snaps that he needs to get ready. Considering his age, inability to slide, propensity for injury, and the fact that we'll have many returning skill position personnel, I think protecting him in pre-season is a no-brainer. I think there should be plenty of snaps to go around for Smith, Petty and whoever they bring in.

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yes, fitzpatrick being the starter in '16 is all but set in stone as long as we re-sign him..

& if we can get a bag of rocks for smith without detracting from petty's development?? sign me up..

but i maintain if we can't get a bag a of rocks for him under those conditions, cut bait.. period..
 

isired

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yes, fitzpatrick being the starter in '16 is all but set in stone as long as we re-sign him..

& if we can get a bag of rocks for smith without detracting from petty's development?? sign me up..

but i maintain if we can't get a bag a of rocks for him under those conditions, cut bait.. period..
If they're comfortable with Petty playing (I don't think we can count on 16 games from Fitz next year) I think Geno will be gone, one way or the other. I do think they'll get that bag of rocks though. There's just not enough QBs. Seeing what happened to Dallas etc. had to have some GMs and HCs looking hard at their backups and wondering if they were a hit away from being in the same boat.
 
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Just cut this bust as soon as it is legally allowed. He never was, never is and never will be an NFL QB

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flgreen

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I'll be very surprised............and concerned if Smith makes it to camp.

IMO here is the way it will probably play out. Macc is very busy with the Shrine, and Senior Bowl right now. Will most likely still be the week after the Senior bowl digesting all the info. Then they are going to sit down with Fitz's agent and hammer something out.

I'm confident that they will. As soon as that happens, they will sit down with Smith's agent, and lay it it out for him. Fitz is the starter. They would like to draft another QB.....IF smith makes it to camp he will have to compete with Petty for #2. #1 is not an issue.


Smith's camp will howl "This is a contract year, we need a chance to start. Trade me" The Jets will tell Mr Z, go find us a 4th round pick and you can be on your way. They'll take a 6th if it comes to that.

Mac only has 6 draft picks, and cap money is tight to fill a lot of holes this off season. IMO they will want a draft pick for smith in "this draft". It just makes life a lot simpler.

if smith isn't traded before the draft, and they draft another 4th or 5th round pick, every team in the league will realize smith is going to be a FA at some point. His value will diminish further.

This is a VERY weak QB draft. I can see the jets getting a 5th round pick for him before the draft.

Macc has a real trying off season in front of him. I don't think the Jets will want an unhappy sulking smith hanging around OTA's ect. if he's going, and I hope he is, I think it will before April
 
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jetgreen13

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I'll be very surprised............and concerned if Smith makes it to camp.

IMO here is the way it will probably play out. Macc is very busy with the Shrine, and Senior Bowl right now. Will most likely still be the week after the Senior bowl digesting all the info. Then they are going to sit down with Fitz's agent and hammer something out.

I'm confident that they will. As soon as that happens, they will sit down with Smith's agent, and lay it it out for him. Fitz is the starter. They would like to draft another QB.....IF smith makes it to camp he will have to compete with Petty for #2. #1 is not an issue.


Smith's camp will howl "This is a contract year, we need a chance to start. Trade me" The Jets will tell Mr Z, go find us a 4th round pick and you can be on your way. They'll take a 6th if it comes to that.

Mac only has 6 draft picks, and cap money is tight to fill a lot of holes this off season. IMO they will want a draft pick for smith in "this draft". It just makes life a lot simpler.

if smith isn't traded before the draft, and they draft another 4th or 5th round pick, every team in the league will realize smith is going to be a FA at some point. His value will diminish further.

This is a VERY weak QB draft. I can see the jets getting a 5th round pick for him before the draft.

Macc has a real trying off season in front of him. I don't think the Jets will want an unhappy sulking smith hanging around OTA's ect. if he's going, and I hope he is, I think it will before April
once we re-sign fitzpatrick, we either find a trading partner before the draft, or come to terms that after drafting a QB we won't even get the bag of rocks i keep going on about.. at that point there's nothing else to do but cut bait.. i doubt mac is wringing his hands over the idea of releasing smith.. so if that's part of your reasoning for him having a "trying off season" i think things are fine..
 
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And of course there is always this



It wouldn't be a Jets offseason without some juicy QB speculation

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Jan 25, 2016
Rich Cimini
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You're going to hear a lot about these two players in connection with the New York Jets over the next few months -- Paxton Lynch and Carson Wentz.

They both play quarterback and they're both projected as first-round picks, and we all know there's a pre-draft obsession when it comes to the Jets and potential franchise quarterbacks. Last year's buzz focused on Marcus Mariota. This year it'll be about Lynch and Wentz because, if the early prognostications are correct, one or both could be available when the Jets pick at No. 20.

We all know things could change over the next few months -- good quarterbacks shoot up draft boards -- but, for now, they're worth discussing because they fit the profile of what the Jets need. They don't need a plug-and-play quarterback because they have 33-year-old Ryan Fitzpatrick, assuming he re-signs, but they could be in the market for a long-term answer. They haven't given up on Bryce Petty, but Lynch and Wentz have the kind of raw talent that warrants consideration.


Carson Wentz would at least have to be considered by the Jets if he's available when it's their turn to pick. AP Photo/Mike Stone
The postseason evaluation process already is underway. Wentz will be under the microscope this week at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., starting Tuesday with the first practice. This is a huge opportunity for Wentz, who played at tiny North Dakota State and needs to convince pro scouts he can succeed against big-time competition.

Wentz, listed at 6-foot-6, already is drawing plenty of attention from scouts and draft experts. He's ranked 18th on Mel Kiper Jr.'s Big Board. Cal's Jared Goff (6-foot-4), widely regarded as the top quarterbacks prospect, is fifth on Mel's BB. Memphis' Lynch (6-foot-7) is 19th.

It's too early to predict what will happen on draft day, but what if Wentz and/or Lynch slips to the Jets? Would they take the quarterback plunge?

"I would say simply, quarterback is like a lot of positions in the draft," general manager Mike Maccagnan said after the season. "We’re going to kind of evaluate it as a whole, and once we sort of establish our board we’ll make that determination if the best player available at our pick is a quarterback or another position and go from there.

"I think every NFL team probably goes into the draft, with maybe a few exceptions of people who have really well-established quarterbacks, looking at that position as a position of interest," he added. "We’ll be no different than them. I don’t want to sit there and say, with the 20th pick were going to be targeting a quarterback. Two things: one is you don’t want to tell the 31 other teams what you’re going to do, but I also think that’s kind of a flawed approach to a certain degree."

Translation: Don't bet against it at this point.

Yes, the Jets have other needs, but Maccagnan, in a recent interview, referred to a conversation with Hall-of-Fame GM Ron Wolf when he interviewed for the Jets' job last year. Wolf, consulting for the Jets during their GM search, told Maccagnan his philosophy was to draft a quarterback every year, if possible, because it's the most important position.

We'll have three months to debate the topic. Consider this an early look-in.
 

jetgreen13

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cimini essentially contradicted himself in regards to petty..

teams don't spend 1st round money on QBs they don't envision as there starter, be it sooner or later..

where would petty fit in that scenario??
 
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REPORT: Jets meet with NDSU's Carson Wentz at Senior Bowl

By: Connor Hughes | 14 hours ago

At his end-of-year press conference, Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan said the team would explore taking a quarterback with their first-round pick in this year’s NFL Draft.

At the Reese’s Senior Bowl, the Jets met with North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz. NJAM’s Dom Consentino was the first to report the meeting.

Wentz, 23, is a bit of a wild card prospect in this year’s NFL Draft as he’s kind of an unknown. Size wise (6-6, 235 pounds), he’s got the perfect built to be a quarterback. He also has good accuracy, good arm strength and competent mobility.

The issue? He just didn’t play high-level college ball.



According to scouts, Wentz tends to lock onto reads and “needs to develop his eye use,” he has a tendency to stare down targets and lead defenders. He also needs to get a better feel for timing routs, and needs to speed up his reads. Essentially, the biggest criticisms of Wentz are about the mental and experience aspect of the game, not the talent.

Wentz finished his four-year career at NDSU with a completion percent of 64.1 and having thrown for 5,115 yards with 45 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. His best season came as a junior when he completed 63.7 percent of his passes and threw for 3,115 yards with 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

As a senior last year, Wentz played in seven games before breaking his wrist. He finished the year throwing for 1,651 yards with 17 touchdowns and four picks.

NFL.com had the following to say about the signal caller:

With a body type that is as prototypical as they come and a background in reading the entire field and working through progressions, Wentz will immediately check a couple of boxes that many college quarterbacks won’t be able to check. While his arm strength is OK, he can still make all the throws and he can make them with accuracy. His ability to escape pressure and pick up first downs with his feet will be yet another check mark in his favor. Wentz is still in a developmental phase after just two years at an FBS program, but has the mental and physical building blocks of a future, franchise quarterback.
 
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flgreen

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Wentz is the guy Ham originally picked in his mock draft.

I discounted it

1) Don't really want an FCS QB in 1st round

2) Not crazy about any QB in this draft

I must say that all the tweets I'm reading from the Senior Bowl Wentz is a hot item. Some people like him in top 10, some people think mid 2nd. This is a big week for him .

i must say it is very interesting that Macc interviewed him first day.
 

jets82

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It's too bad franchise quarterbacks don't just fall off the trees because boy we sure need one bad. Maybe Petty will turn out to be a franchise guy in another year but then again if franchise QBs just fell off trees everybody would have one I guess
 
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4. Prognosis for Year 2
Maccagnan: "We feel ability-wise, he can definitely be a quality No. 2 backup and the rest is kind of up to him. He has the physical ability to potentially be a starting-caliber quarterback, but he still has to go out there and do it on the field in preseason and kind of see where he’s at. But we're very excited about working with him and we do feel he has a bright future."

And we all know what this right here means.....

It means SAYONARA Geno Smith.

I mean doesn't it sound rather obvious? If Bryce moves up the depth chart (which is expected with any reasonable development)and becomes the number 2 behind Fitz, doesn't that make Geno Smith expendable? I mean especially when odds are the Jets will likely draft another QB just to keep competition around for Bryce and a potential other development?

This is to say nothing about how the players would feel if Geno Smith is in fact cut or traded? I think it would truly be a team moment for everyone on the roster. They would know that creep could no longer bother them merely by being in the same building. Now you may think that is exaggerating, and truly we'll never know exactly, but I very much do believe this would make the rest of the team very happy campers.
 

jetgreen13

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And we all know what this right here means.....

It means SAYONARA Geno Smith.

I mean doesn't it sound rather obvious? If Bryce moves up the depth chart (which is expected with any reasonable development)and becomes the number 2 behind Fitz, doesn't that make Geno Smith expendable? I mean especially when odds are the Jets will likely draft another QB just to keep competition around for Bryce and a potential other development?

This is to say nothing about how the players would feel if Geno Smith is in fact cut or traded? I think it would truly be a team moment for everyone on the roster. They would know that creep could no longer bother them merely by being in the same building. Now you may think that is exaggerating, and truly we'll never know exactly, but I very much do believe this would make the rest of the team very happy campers.
maine, we are in lockstep on why the jets need to part ways with smith, including team morale..
 
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And we all know what this right here means.....

It means SAYONARA Geno Smith.

I mean doesn't it sound rather obvious? If Bryce moves up the depth chart (which is expected with any reasonable development)and becomes the number 2 behind Fitz, doesn't that make Geno Smith expendable? I mean especially when odds are the Jets will likely draft another QB just to keep competition around for Bryce and a potential other development?

This is to say nothing about how the players would feel if Geno Smith is in fact cut or traded? I think it would truly be a team moment for everyone on the roster. They would know that creep could no longer bother them merely by being in the same building. Now you may think that is exaggerating, and truly we'll never know exactly, but I very much do believe this would make the rest of the team very happy campers.

I agree.

I think all of Macc's post season statements on smith indicate that Macc would LIKE to get rid of him.

I'll feel a lot better about it when the door hits smith in the ass
 
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Here's an interesting tid bit from the Senior Bowl reporting


Sources told me that at the East-West Shrine, Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan met with every quarterback for an hour. At the Senior Bowl, Maccagnan has continued his quarterback scrutiny, as he had a formal meeting with North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz. Clearly, New York isn't banking on Bryce Petty being the starter of the future and they are doing their homework on the other signal-callers.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2016rumors3.php#SU7IhUJcShAF8sd3.99
 

maxmet

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On Petty - this is good progress

On our QB's next year - I think this is likely enough progress that the Jets are likely to see him as ready to be the #2

On Geno - I think the Jets will be better off with someone who is pleased to be in the NFL, please to be a Jet, pleased to be a #2 or #3 QB and ready to devote himself to learning and contributing in that role.

Dealing Geno - if we can send him somewhere for a conditional 6th or 7th pick - great - maybe Rex wants him in Buffalo for a conditional 7th. Heck, can we send Geno and a 7th round pick and make Rex promise to have Geno active as his #2?
 
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Here's an interesting tid bit from the Senior Bowl reporting


Sources told me that at the East-West Shrine, Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan met with every quarterback for an hour. At the Senior Bowl, Maccagnan has continued his quarterback scrutiny, as he had a formal meeting with North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz. Clearly, New York isn't banking on Bryce Petty being the starter of the future and they are doing their homework on the other signal-callers.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2016rumors3.php#SU7IhUJcShAF8sd3.99

I think this is more looking for smith's replacement then Petty's.

Non of the QB's at either the Shrine game, or Senior Bowl, with the possible exception of Wentz, are locks to be 1st round picks.

If the Jets take Wentz at 20 Petty is in some trouble moving forward, otherwise I don't see the plans changing much.

Right now Wentz is the talk of the Senior Bowl from all the articles, and tweets I've read the last few days. Some are really impressed with him, some not so much n his accuracy issues.
 

isired

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I think it only makes sense they'd take a QB high if they feel there's any kind of value there. You have Macc projecting Petty as a "quality number 2 backup" who can possibly be more, and assuming we sign Fitz he's our number 1 for a year, maybe 2. Why wouldn't we be in the market for a #1? Then you hopefully have a guy who projects as a starter along with your guy who has the "physical ability to potentially be a starting-caliber QB". I mean there's a lot of qualification in there to be betting the ranch on, I'd definitely be looking to hedge that bet. And I don't think that's bad news fir Petty, he's Macc's draft pick too, so there's no reason to think it would be anything other than "best man wins"

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isired

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Geno and #20 to move up to #13 (Eagles) or 14 (Raiders) to grab Lynch??

Geno and #20 PLUS a bag of rocks?
 
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flgreen

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Geno and #20 to move up to #13 (Eagles) or 14 (Raiders) to grab Lynch??

Geno and #20 PLUS a bag of rocks?

Do you really think smith is worth 7 spots in the first round?

Jets will be thrilled with a 5th or 6th for him
 
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