The smart part of Woody's charge is that whether it is blatant favoritism by Goodell or not, it would appear that it was. It would be just another perceived example of the league offices being in the Pats' pocket.
Tampering double standard?
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The smart part of Woody's charge is that whether it is blatant favoritism by Goodell or not, it would appear that it was. It would be just another perceived example of the league offices being in the Pats' pocket.
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grogan14
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What are you talking about? The only person that's ever brought up Blount and tampering is you, with no evidence except for your hate of the Patriots. The Deflate investigation hasn't eve been concluded and the actual facts haven't been released yet in your mind the Patriots are guilty no matter what. Woody tampering is pretty clear by the letter of the rules yet Kraft's comments don't fit the criteria for tampering by any means yet to you they are equal. In any case the both investigations will ultimately determine who's guilty but I'm sure if the League finds the Jets guilty and not the Pats, then your unwavering objectivity will shine through.
Wont determine who is "guilty" it will be who they want to punish
Get over yourself.
If you want to be a fan, fine. Be a fan. But don't claim this moral superiority of being unbiased, when all you ever show is bias.
Of the two of us, I am the only one who said something my team did was wrong. I said all along that Woody's comments were tampering. When have you ever said on this board that the Pats did something wrong? Or that the Jets didn't?
I'll wait, while you proclaim yourself to be unbiased and bash my bias.
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grogan14
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So you don't respond to any of the "actual" examples of your bias and proclaim me being the biased one? Look as fans we are both biased to a degree, but your Patriot hate borders on unhealthy.
So let me get this straight.
I never proclaim myself to dispassionately judge based solely on facts. I never proclaim some sort of objective moral high ground. And I call out my team when I believe it has committed a transgression.
You proclaim yourself to be some champion of objectivity, to view events without consideration for the teams. And you have not once called out your team for a transgression, despite it being accused of far more than my team has over the past three months.
And you claim me to be the biased one?
and your Pat "holier than thou, do nothing wrong" blindness borders on arrogance and mental incompetence
and after kraft's comments, revis knows in the back of his mind that in 2 years, when the guaranteed money on his contract goes away, that maybe he can get kraft interested in his services again. we now know that kraft wanted to keep him, so why wouldn't kraft want him in a couple of years???
this is just a hypothetical example of how kraft's comments can be construed as tampering with a player under contract with another team
Your Patriot love borders on cultish. Anything and everything they do must be right, because they are the ones doing it.
Correction, I brought it up as well and feel that it is something that should, but won't be investigated. How many marginal talents get to walk off the field, basically quit their team and get picked up by another team (that is preparing for a SB run) within days. Why would that team want a quitter, unless that quitter quit to get released with the knowledge that a contender would pick him up. I think there were conversations between Pats and Blount's agent while he was still a Steeler, thus the tampering. Just one person's healthy skepticism. When you have done as much shady crap as the Patriots, you will have these sort of questions.
Good - now lets look at what Woody actually said - in his primarily backward looking response to a questions
“Darrelle is a great player, and if I thought I could have gotten Darrelle for [what the Patriots paid], I probably would’ve taken him,” Johnson said, via the Boston Herald. “And it was our best judgment to do what we did. Darrelle is a great player. I’d love for Darrelle to come back.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/29/woody-johnson-tampers-with-darrelle-revis/
Most of the remarks are in the same backward looking mode as Kraft. Is the Kraft statement "we wanted him" any different in substance from the Woody "I'd love for him to come back"? The core communication by the two owners - each in response to questions - is that at the right price they want this player. At the time of each of their remarks, he was under contract - to the other team. Smart move would be for both of them to stop talking about their views of players on other teams. Keep in mind, Revis has the right to be a free agent again and Krafts remarks may affect future relationships. In truth, no one rational - and the NFL lawyers are very rational - would think that either set of remarks would have such effects. But these owners should stop talking about players who dont play for them
Hence, they both get one day of community service and perhaps a $1 fine.
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ucrenegade
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[a]ny public or private statement of interest, qualified orunqualified, in another club’s player to that player’s agent or representative, or to a member of the news media.”
any statement it doesn't say certain statements it says any
fact: woody said something about revis when he was under contract with pats
fact kraft said something about revis when he was under contract with jets........don't matter if it is fa or not revis already signed on the dotted line.
those you can not dispute
It's not the least bit uncommon up here. Boston fans and sports writers used to have solid credibility. The writers were some of the best, and the fans, while jaded by most of their teams, were grounded and critically fair.
Over the past 15 years or so, the city has become Entitletown. Writers are nothing more than cheerleaders with Microsoft Word. Fans are no different from the fan bases they used to look down their noses at. And nowhere is it more evident than with the Pats, where this cult of personality Belichick has built around himself, of every player slavishly buying into the Patriot Way, has permeated the fan base. It's like the fans are under a spell. They used to be able to put aside their bias and criticize their teams. But now, it's just this zombie-like state of blindly following the leaders.
For heaven's sake, there were articles in Boston after the Pats lost to the Packers this year that it was a deliberate loss, all part of some sort of mind game Belichick was playing. Seriously. The Jets regularly get criticized after a win. The Pats? Even their losses are really wins.
The problem is, most Pats fans believe that since Goodell has let Kraft and Belichick off the hook so many times, they really haven't done anything wrong. Spygate? According to Pats fans, everyone else does it. The Pats just are the ones to have gotten caught. They seem to forget that when the league went to Foxboro, AFTER having penalized the Pats, they found all sorts of new evidence that was so damning and illegal, it had to be destroyed, yet the league did not penalize the Pats further.
They forget that. They're wrapped up in the idea that Goodell puts more loyalty in being a Jets intern a generation ago than he does into hanging out at Kraft's house the night before a conference championship game, or the $44MM per year Kraft got the other owners to give him. They're wrapped up in the idea that Kensil, who was fired by the Jets in 2006 in a rather acrimonious parting, is somehow biased toward the organization that canned him. I don't know that many people who are so generous to a former employer who canned them.
So when the league sweeps yet another Pats scandal under the rug, it's justice. That pro-Jets league office tried to get us again, but we had truth, justice, and the Patriot way on our side.
As ridiculous as this sounds, this is what a segment of the Pats fan base actually believes.
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grogan14
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Finally we agree, the rules are crystal clear, so when the league announces that the Jets have been fined and have to forfeit a draft pick or two, while no action is taken against the Patriots, you can then feel free to break out the "The Commissioner is in Kraft's pocket" excuse.
Reading comprehension's not much of a strong suit for you, is it?
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grogan14
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We'll have to agree to disagree. Aside from the comments, we still don't know what if any evidence was discovered at the Jets offices? If in fact the League has uncovered evidence of contract talks or negotiations while Revis was still under contract with the Pats, then this is entirely different matter, one that could see huge penalties leveed at the Jets. I think we can at least agree that inappropriate comments of varying degrees is one thing, negotiating under the table with another teams player is something else entirely.
Odd you didn't speculate about what evidence might be found with the Pats' investigations...
That would be similar to when they signed Tebow to distract from Hernandez being a murderer.
Nothing has been proven about Hernandez.
On the other hand, the Jets are guilty, guilty, guilty!