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I don't think Bowles is going to let the QB position destroy the team.
I don't think Bowles is going to let the QB position destroy the team.
This is the season we find out re: Geno
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If you mean because of Fitz's injury, I agree completely.
But if you mean because of Geno's "potential", I have to see it before I put any faith in it . . .
I can except and respect this view.
I wouldn't say I take the post personal but I will say I respond to people how they respond or address me.
Is that a fair comparison? I mean Sanchez played on two championship teams his first two years and his stats were barely better then Geno's. So how do you think Sanchez would have done with Geno's horrible teams his first two years and how do you think Geno would have done with Sanchez's first two teams?
let him be consistent not inconsistent. let him be able to go through progressions - not just one read. How about not turning over the ball on a consistent basis..... maybe then he will become a competent NFL QB. Till that happens...I have NO faith that the light bulb will go on.
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I'm glad this new regime is giving Geno the first shot. He is only 24 years old has has all the physical tools. While he may prove not to be a very good QB, it is too soon to give up on him. He did play well in the final quarter of the season, and he now has better weapons then ever. Lets find out before we cut bait too soon.
This is a good write-up about Geno starting, or not, from Darryl slater from nj.com
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/05/why_chan_gaileys_comments_dont_lock_in_geno_smith.html
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/05/why_chan_gaileys_comments_dont_lock_in_geno_smith.html
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Great read!! Makes a ton of sense.
Honest question -- would you be happy if Geno put up the following stats this year:
3474 yards, 26 TDs, 18 INTs
It wouldn't be a stellar year by any means, yet it would be Geno's best by far, no?
Yet as you probably figured out, those were Mark's stats his 3rd year in the league. So if that's enough to keep Geno around, why didn't we just hold on to Mark?
And before you talk about weapons, here's what Mark had that year:
WR -- Burress, Holmes, Kerley, Turner (advantage Geno)
RB -- Tomlinson, Powell, Greene, McKnight, Connor (advantage Geno)
OL -- Ferguson, Slauson, Ducasse, Mangold, Howard, Hunter, Moore, Schlauderaff (advange Mark? not the best OL evaluator)
OC -- Schotty (HOPEFULLY advantage Geno)
HC -- Rex (HOPEFULLY advantage Geno)
So would you say Geno should AT LEAST surpass Mark's year 3 stats? By A LOT? And if so, what numbers do you see him producing?
We all want to see the kid do well, we just have different definitions of what "good enough" will be . . .
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Good enough is the playoffs. The numbers are for the media and the fans to have something to talk about and discuss, to feel part of the game.
So you felt Mark was good enough his first two seasons, but not good enough in his third, even though it was by far his best year?
Great question! Here's my answer and here's the difference, if Geno has the stats year three that Sanchez had his third year I guess I would be happy. I honestly would much rather he have a higher completion percentage (over 60%), less ints, even if that means he is less TDs. As far as Sanchez and his weapons he had as opposed to Geno, Geno's weapons are better this year I will admit but year one and two they weren't. I don't think anyone can debate that.
Now here is where we probably won't agree, Sanchez first two years the team carried him and he was just along for the ride. Even with his horrid stats year one and OK or below average stats year two, the team still carried him to the AFC championship. In year three the team started to full apart and it was more on his shoulders to carry the load and he couldn't. His stats that third year were OK but the team went 8-8 (if I'm correct) and they lost 2-3 games because of his mistakes.
Geno situation was/is the exact opposite. His first and second year the team, coaching and management were horrid and if they had any chance of being half way decent, if was on Geno's shoulders to make it happen. Now this year with Mac and Bowles, he has a real team around him and they will get coached well. They will carry him to the playoffs, he just has to not mess it up and go along for the ride. If he can truly hold hs own and play better then just going along for a ride then this team will truly be a contender.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree (which of course is fine!)
If Geno puts up Sanchez-like numbers with a better CS, better weapons around him and a (supposedly) better skill set, there's no way I'm looking at him as the future of this franchise. And yet, he'll have to show a pretty significant amount of improvement just to get to that level.
Let me be clear -- I TOTALLY want Geno to have every opportunity to succeed, and in no way think we should just get rid of the kid. But you and others seem pretty adamant that you're EXPECTING him to completely turn his career around, and I just can't jump on that bandwagon until he gives me a legitimate reason to . . .
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I did stand behind Mark after his 3rd season and thought he was the victim of poor personnel decisions. It was his 4th year, where I thought his top 5 talent, and his 2 time AFCC game experience would show but instead he regressed. Even after that season I thought Sanchez still had a future in the league just not with the Jets.
Fair enough (though I'd argue the ensemble Mark was cursed with that 4th year was WAY worse than anything Geno has had to endure, if only because of the Sparano/Tebow debacle).
I think you'd admit there are many here who just a few years ago were calling Sanchez the worst QB in the history of the NFL, only to now turn around and assume Geno will follow a completely different story arc.
I sure hope they're right, but I just see too many similarities to count on it quite yet . . .
We will respectfully agree to disagree. I will say this and let me clear it up, Geno putting up the numbers this year that Sanchez did his third year, I said I would be OK with. I didn't say I would think of that as him being pronounced our future franchise QB. If he has over 60% completion percentage, about 3200-3500 yards and around 20-25 TDs and less then let's say 15 ints, I say that would be pretty impressive and show the jump in improvement from his first two years
I love this post. I see it 75/25 Geno making good if his experience and what he learned from it, this team advancement of riches and coaches and management that know what the hell their doing. We'll see!
I'm with you here. I stood by Sanchez through his third and pretty much all his forth year. By the end of the forth I was done with him. The team needed him to step up in his third and forth year and he couldn't do it. He finally had to live up to being the 5th pick in the draft that the Jets traded up to get. Geno is a second round pick so we'll see what he can do this year with a real team, coaching and management.
All these stats are nice but how about yardage after the catch? This would be a good indicator whether or not the QB hit the receiver in stride or they had to go to the ground to catch the ball, which seemed to happen a lot with Sanchez. Makes a huge difference in winning and losing games. Anybody have those available?