A little statistical information and context to add to the discussion:
http://turnonthejets.com/2016/07/geno-smith-2014-context-stats/#more-32788
http://turnonthejets.com/2016/07/geno-smith-2014-context-stats/#more-32788
TOJ article - Geno
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This article doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know. Geno Smith is horrible in the pocket. He's terrible against a man def
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Who gives a sh*t? He's the best QB this team could possibly have. Would you rather go into the season Geno?! Brilliant move.
Its always good to have a little substance for the argument, though. One of the things that is continually brought out in the article is that Gailey's system is designed to mitigate the sort of issues that Geno Smith has. I'm not in any arguing that Smith be the QB over Fitz, just presenting an article that tries to look at things from a statistical standpoint and put those stats in context to the disaster our roster was in 2014. Too many arguments around here are from the gut and nothing else - just saying.
An article that tries to maintain objectivity? An article that actually acknowledges pros and cons of a player?
That's too much to process. It's easier to just use the "he sucks and that's that!" argument.
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Well, for what it's worth this team is still MUCH better off with Fitz starting, MUCH better off....
apparently bowles, mac, revis, mangold, forte, decker & marshall didn't read this article..
what a shame.....
What about the several sections where he outlines where Geno was better, in some cases much better, than he expected? You ignore them because they don't fit with your narrative.
I don't want to be an extremist, I think geno had better physical skills, but Fitz is smarter and more experienced. Can geno have a great statistical season?yes.
But the important factor to me, in my opinion, is that in the playoffs against elite defenses, they will own geno. I think Fitz has enough mental game ability to play cat and mouse with those defenses.
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There is nothing to support that because Fitz has never been to the playoffs. Based on what I have seen from Geno and Fitz over their careers, Fitz has way more experience but less physical tools probably. I still want Fitz back at a reasonable price.
I disagree. Compare both when they have played elite defenses.
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I know Geno sucks, but I would love to see some stats to support that Fitz is good vs elite defenses or is he just better than Geno.
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Listen if all you care about is stats fine. Please read my statement. In my opinion, Fitz has and can play cat and mouse. Geno has not shown that ever, in fact the line on him is that he states down his receivers. The opposite of cat and mouse.
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Well wins and losses do matter otherwise I can just go with Geno and suck as opposed to being average with Fitz. I agree with your assessment of Geno but I just think Fitz was great last year because he had so many weapons and Geno has never had one weapon. I think those WR's made Fitz better not the other way around.
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Of course borderline hall of fame receivers made his numbers better, this is a team sport. Randy Moss made bradys numbers better too. But having good wrs doesn't affect who you are mentally. It doesn't change the fact that Fitz has the ability to play coy successfully.
Just good players running good plays isn't enough against the elite defenses. The small things make the difference.
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Hopefully he will sign and hopefully it's at the Jets price because he is not worth close to his price.
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this is by far the biggest issue i have with smith supporters.. everything is always based on conjecture.. forget any & everything that was wrong with smith on & off the field.. forget all that stuff, this is a brand new day!! can smith play better with the current talent available?? it's possible.. but i could say the same for petty or hackenberg getting the job done in gailey's system with our offensive weapons too..
is it likely based on what we've heard about where they are in their development?? not in my eyes but what the hell, i'll take a page out of the smith supporters playbook.. who here or any other jet board can tell me with any certainty that either or both petty & hackenberg wouldn't play well this season.. why not?? both kids are big, pretty mobile, bright with big arms.. other 2nd & 1st year QBs have gotten the job done before..
what is not conjecture is fitzpatrick has been effective in gailey's system with last season's talent..
BTW, the talk about playing smith in his contract year to see if the light has turned on?? that's a nice chance to take when you aren't putting yourself in position to lose a high paying job at the top of your field if things turn out badly.. bowles & maccagnan don't have that luxury.....