yes. I now expect us to draft dline every year
#6 pick in 2015 - Jets select Leonard Williams DT USC
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yes. I now expect us to draft dline every year
don't be silly. 9 d-line with revis and cro
Can never have enough DL and pass rushers..depth/injuries..PLUS HE WAS THE HIGHEST RATED PLAYER..If Amari cooper fell to Giants would anyone say anything if they took him when obviously their WR are in great position ??
LET MACCG do his job....
LET MACCG do his job....
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Lakerfan80
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Much of this was said when the Jets drafted Richardson and look how that turned out.
I think you have to consider need in your picks.
But when a guy who is clear-cut the best player on the board, even if it's already a position of strength, leaving top players on the board is what losing teams do. Then 2, 3 years later, they get blasted by fickle fans who complain about that 2015 draft, when the Jets had the chance to draft that stud Leonard Williams and passed on him.
But when a guy who is clear-cut the best player on the board, even if it's already a position of strength, leaving top players on the board is what losing teams do. Then 2, 3 years later, they get blasted by fickle fans who complain about that 2015 draft, when the Jets had the chance to draft that stud Leonard Williams and passed on him.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/46811
What he brings: The best all-around defender in this class, Williams' ideal position fit is as a 5-technique defensive end in a 3-4 front, but he has the versatility to create mismatches at multiple spots along the D-line. He is an outstanding run defender who also has good quickness, strength and a variety of moves as a pass-rusher. He has a good motor and plays with an edge. How he fits: Williams is strictly a value pick here, he's our top-rated defensive prospect. He adds immediate depth as a 5-technique behind Sheldon Richardson and Muhammad Wilkerson, who has been on the trading block. Williams also has the versatility to line up in multiple spots along the defensive line, giving first-year head coach Todd Bowles the flexibility to jump into a four-man front when necessary.
Draft Results
Overall Football Traits
Production 1 2012: (13/9) 64-13.5-8 2013: (13/13) 73-12.5-52014: (13/13) - 80-9.5-7Career: 7 PBU, 4 FFs, 2 INT
Height-Weight-Speed 1 Excellent overall measureables. Long and well-proportioned frame. Top-end speed is very good for size. Excellent arm length (34 5/8 inches) and hand-span (10 5/8 inches).
Durability 3 In 2013, suffered a shoulder injury against Oregon State and missed the following week against Cal. Played the rest of the season with lingering affects and was eventually diagnosed with a torn labrum that required offseason surgery. Missed all of spring practice in 2014 while recovering. During summer camp in 2014, suffered high-ankle sprain that lingered early in season but showed toughness playing through pain. Played in 39 of 40 career games (35 starts).
Intangibles 2 Son of Aviva Russek and Clenon Williams. 2014 team captain and loyal teammate. Learns quickly and is coachable. Did not have it easy growing up and family briefly lived in a homeless shelter. Father has struggled with drug addiction. Father was arrested and later sentenced to the Marion Work Camp in Lowell, Florida, for robbery with a dangerous weapon. He is due to be released in the fall of 2019. Was ejected in the first half against Colorado in 2012 for throwing a punch after apparently getting spit on by a Colorado offensive lineman.
1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL
Defensive End Specific Traits
Pass Rush Skills 2 Lacks elite penetrating burst but shows above-average initial quickness to get into blockers' frames. Active and quick hands, and flashes as a counter-puncher. Has a plan and consistently works to gain leverage points on blockers. Possesses a wide array of pass-rushing moves, including an explosive speed-to-power bull rush to keep blockers on their toes. Above-average closing burst. Biggest issue in this area is initial pad level, as he can come off high on occasion.
Versus the run 1 Usually fires out of stance with very good initial quickness and leverage. Generates excellent short-area power. At his best stacking at the point of attack before locating and chasing the ball. Heavy and explosive hands. Has a lot of shock with punch, which enables him to lock out and create separation before shedding blockers. Above-average leverage and balance, and is rarely seen on the ground. Very good eyes finding the ball, and shows above-average redirect skills and range. Only time he gets in trouble is when he comes off the ball high. However, quickly resets feet and regains leverage to anchor down. Flashes ability to hold ground versus double team -- and occasionally will split it.
Versatility 1 Strong versatility to line up in multiple spots along the front line to creates mismatches. Ideal fit is 5-technique for a base 3-4 front. However, has the quickness and point-of-attack skills to reduce inside as a 3-technique in a 4-3 front, especially in pass-rushing situations. Also has the experience and enough athleticism to occasionally line up as a traditional LDE in a 4-3 front.
Instincts/Motor 1 Good motor and plays with an edge. Fights at the point of attack and plays with a violent demeanor. Works to get through traffic pursuing the ball. Also gives consistent effort and will chase from the backside and downfield to get involved in play. Compares favorably to Richard Seymour.
1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL
What he brings: The best all-around defender in this class, Williams' ideal position fit is as a 5-technique defensive end in a 3-4 front, but he has the versatility to create mismatches at multiple spots along the D-line. He is an outstanding run defender who also has good quickness, strength and a variety of moves as a pass-rusher. He has a good motor and plays with an edge. How he fits: Williams is strictly a value pick here, he's our top-rated defensive prospect. He adds immediate depth as a 5-technique behind Sheldon Richardson and Muhammad Wilkerson, who has been on the trading block. Williams also has the versatility to line up in multiple spots along the defensive line, giving first-year head coach Todd Bowles the flexibility to jump into a four-man front when necessary.
Draft Results
Overall Football Traits
Production 1 2012: (13/9) 64-13.5-8 2013: (13/13) 73-12.5-52014: (13/13) - 80-9.5-7Career: 7 PBU, 4 FFs, 2 INT
Height-Weight-Speed 1 Excellent overall measureables. Long and well-proportioned frame. Top-end speed is very good for size. Excellent arm length (34 5/8 inches) and hand-span (10 5/8 inches).
Durability 3 In 2013, suffered a shoulder injury against Oregon State and missed the following week against Cal. Played the rest of the season with lingering affects and was eventually diagnosed with a torn labrum that required offseason surgery. Missed all of spring practice in 2014 while recovering. During summer camp in 2014, suffered high-ankle sprain that lingered early in season but showed toughness playing through pain. Played in 39 of 40 career games (35 starts).
Intangibles 2 Son of Aviva Russek and Clenon Williams. 2014 team captain and loyal teammate. Learns quickly and is coachable. Did not have it easy growing up and family briefly lived in a homeless shelter. Father has struggled with drug addiction. Father was arrested and later sentenced to the Marion Work Camp in Lowell, Florida, for robbery with a dangerous weapon. He is due to be released in the fall of 2019. Was ejected in the first half against Colorado in 2012 for throwing a punch after apparently getting spit on by a Colorado offensive lineman.
1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL
Defensive End Specific Traits
Pass Rush Skills 2 Lacks elite penetrating burst but shows above-average initial quickness to get into blockers' frames. Active and quick hands, and flashes as a counter-puncher. Has a plan and consistently works to gain leverage points on blockers. Possesses a wide array of pass-rushing moves, including an explosive speed-to-power bull rush to keep blockers on their toes. Above-average closing burst. Biggest issue in this area is initial pad level, as he can come off high on occasion.
Versus the run 1 Usually fires out of stance with very good initial quickness and leverage. Generates excellent short-area power. At his best stacking at the point of attack before locating and chasing the ball. Heavy and explosive hands. Has a lot of shock with punch, which enables him to lock out and create separation before shedding blockers. Above-average leverage and balance, and is rarely seen on the ground. Very good eyes finding the ball, and shows above-average redirect skills and range. Only time he gets in trouble is when he comes off the ball high. However, quickly resets feet and regains leverage to anchor down. Flashes ability to hold ground versus double team -- and occasionally will split it.
Versatility 1 Strong versatility to line up in multiple spots along the front line to creates mismatches. Ideal fit is 5-technique for a base 3-4 front. However, has the quickness and point-of-attack skills to reduce inside as a 3-technique in a 4-3 front, especially in pass-rushing situations. Also has the experience and enough athleticism to occasionally line up as a traditional LDE in a 4-3 front.
Instincts/Motor 1 Good motor and plays with an edge. Fights at the point of attack and plays with a violent demeanor. Works to get through traffic pursuing the ball. Also gives consistent effort and will chase from the backside and downfield to get involved in play. Compares favorably to Richard Seymour.
1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL
No one is stopping Mac. Williams first sack Ill be out off my chair saying it was the greatest pick ever...
I curse Kyle Wilsons name every day...still, even as a Saint...but let that bastard get a pick on a Sunday!
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ucrenegade
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I def wanted williams more than any LB not named fowler
AGREE so many whiners and complainers on the board..the guy is a beast and a monster....depending on QB play k White is probably marginally better than that against the WR they can get in second round or later.....
LIke I said...if Giants took Cooper would you say they were stupid since they have a good WR corps....?? no you wouldnt so respect MACCG and his process..WE DONT KNOW BETTER THAN HIM for this team
Yep, Let MACCG do his job... I heard the same thing about Idzik/Ryan/Tannenbaum/Mangini and when they left town all you talked was there lousy drafts.
No one is stopping Mac. Williams first sack Ill be out off my chair saying it was the greatest pick ever...
I curse Kyle Wilsons name every day...still, even as a Saint...but let that bastard get a pick on a Sunday!
I will give you credit. You never rooted against guys just because it would have made you right.
You just ignored that you ever disliked them, and reminded us of the picks you did get right. :smiley-cool11:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1996523/leonard-williams
STRENGTHS: An exceptional talent, boasting a rare combination of size, easy athleticism and raw power to go along with a passion for the game. Possesses a naturally large frame with broad shoulders, long limbs and a trim middle that makes it easy to see why the Trojans have rotated him all over the defensive line.
Impressive initial quickness, lateral agility, flexibility and balance to penetrate gaps and attack on stunts. Very long arms, which allows him to keep blockers from latching on. Shows good technique to chop away opponents when they are able to initially lock him up. Locates the football quickly and has good speed for pursuit.
Displayed his passion for the game in toughing it out through an ankle injury for most of the 2014 season.
WEAKNESSES: When the game comes as easily to a player as it appears to with Williams, it is easy to nit-pick technique and consistency. Williams, like most taller defensive tackles, struggles at times with leverage. He gets his hands into passing lanes but needs to show better awareness and hand-eye coordination to make those big mitts weapons.
COMPARES TO: Gerald McCoy, Buccaneers - Williams is earning comparisons from scouts to everyone from McCoy to Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt for his ability to dominate the line of scrimmage while alternating between defensive tackle and defensive end.
IN OUR VIEW: Regardless of where he lines up, the Daytona Beach, Fla., native has been a standout. His physical make-up is extremely impressive with his size, length and athleticism to line up at any position on the defensive line, inside or outside, and be effective.
--Dane Brugler & Rob Rang
PLAYER OVERVIEW
While Southern Cal has endured some relatively down years recently, it is rare that a true freshman walks in and makes a significant impact in the land of Troy, especially along the line of scrimmage. That is precisely what Williams did in 2012, however, after signing with USC out of Daytona Beach, FL.
Operating at defensive tackle, Williams registered a 64 tackles, including 13.5 for loss and eight sacks, earning Defensive Freshman of the Year honors from the Pac-12. He was moved outside to end in 2013 and was even more productive, ranking second on the team with 74 tackles, while picking up another 13.5 tackles for loss and six sacks, despite being limited by a shoulder injury.
Nicknamed the "Big Cat," Williams' flexibility, movement skills and point of attack strength are exactly what NFL teams covet in the trenches.
STRENGTHS: An exceptional talent, boasting a rare combination of size, easy athleticism and raw power to go along with a passion for the game. Possesses a naturally large frame with broad shoulders, long limbs and a trim middle that makes it easy to see why the Trojans have rotated him all over the defensive line.
Impressive initial quickness, lateral agility, flexibility and balance to penetrate gaps and attack on stunts. Very long arms, which allows him to keep blockers from latching on. Shows good technique to chop away opponents when they are able to initially lock him up. Locates the football quickly and has good speed for pursuit.
Displayed his passion for the game in toughing it out through an ankle injury for most of the 2014 season.
WEAKNESSES: When the game comes as easily to a player as it appears to with Williams, it is easy to nit-pick technique and consistency. Williams, like most taller defensive tackles, struggles at times with leverage. He gets his hands into passing lanes but needs to show better awareness and hand-eye coordination to make those big mitts weapons.
COMPARES TO: Gerald McCoy, Buccaneers - Williams is earning comparisons from scouts to everyone from McCoy to Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt for his ability to dominate the line of scrimmage while alternating between defensive tackle and defensive end.
IN OUR VIEW: Regardless of where he lines up, the Daytona Beach, Fla., native has been a standout. His physical make-up is extremely impressive with his size, length and athleticism to line up at any position on the defensive line, inside or outside, and be effective.
--Dane Brugler & Rob Rang
PLAYER OVERVIEW
While Southern Cal has endured some relatively down years recently, it is rare that a true freshman walks in and makes a significant impact in the land of Troy, especially along the line of scrimmage. That is precisely what Williams did in 2012, however, after signing with USC out of Daytona Beach, FL.
Operating at defensive tackle, Williams registered a 64 tackles, including 13.5 for loss and eight sacks, earning Defensive Freshman of the Year honors from the Pac-12. He was moved outside to end in 2013 and was even more productive, ranking second on the team with 74 tackles, while picking up another 13.5 tackles for loss and six sacks, despite being limited by a shoulder injury.
Nicknamed the "Big Cat," Williams' flexibility, movement skills and point of attack strength are exactly what NFL teams covet in the trenches.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/leonard-williams?id=2552486
DE LEONARD WILLIAMS USC PAC-12
DRAFTED BY: JETS ROUND1 PICK6 OVERALL6 COMBINE RESULTS
GRADE
7.53
DRAFT ANALYSIS:
"Williams was the best player in the draft regardless of position. If you're the Jets, you had to take him. The sky's the limit with this kid. He's stout against the run and athletic as can be." -- Mike Mayock
OVERVIEW
In 2014, Williams was selected as USC's Most Valuable Player and Defensive Lineman of the Year. Also was first-team All-Pac-12 selection. He was a finalist for the Hendricks Award and a semifinalist for the Lombardi Award, Bednarik Award and Lott IMPACT Trophy. He was one of five captains selected by teammates prior to the 2014 season. He had 80 total tackles, 9.5 tackles for loss, seven sacks, one interception and forced three fumbles during 2014 season. Williams sat out 2014 spring practice while recovering from a 2013 shoulder injury. In 2013, Williams was the starter at defensive end and he was named USC's Defensive Lineman of the Year, despite being bothered during the year with a shoulder injury. In 2012, Williams played in all 13 games, starting nine at defensive tackle and was named Pac-12 Defensive Freshman of the Year. Some of his artwork was displayed at the 2013 and 2014 "Artletics" on-campus exhibits that featured the works of USC student-athletes. As a senior in high school, his honors included Super Prep All-American and Prep Star All-American.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Supremely gifted interior lineman with length, athleticism and elite power. Lined up just about everywhere along the line at one point or another. Able to jolt offensive linemen with powerful hands and is extremely hard to redirect for offensive linemen once he gets going downhill. Explosive hip snap to leverage blockers and is rarely moved from his gap. Often a read-and-react two-gapper and plays peek-a-boo with running backs while discarding blockers at will when he's ready to tackle. Too much play strength for zone blockers to cross-face him. Fires out with low pad level when playing the run and is difficult to submarine on short yardage. Has feet and brute force to recover and get back into a play after being beaten early. Dangerous pass rusher from twist game, showing big closing burst. Effort rusher who will eventually get home if single-blocked. Beginning to develop spin move as pass-rush counter. Showed intriguing potential as a pass-rushing end in space. Frame able to hold more weight and muscle.
WEAKNESSES Is a little late out of his stance off the snap. Must learn to consistently fire hands out as weapons. Slow to transition from run stopper to pass rusher when teams throw on first down. Pad level rises and legs straighten out as pass rusher. Base will narrow, slowing momentum and limiting full potential of his bull rush. Hasn't learned to set up offensive linemen or string together pass-rush moves yet. Doesn't always play to capacity and pursuit is lacking when play heads away from him. Still very raw. Wins with physical tools over skill.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 1 (top three)
SOURCES TELL US "You can't over-think this one. It doesn't matter how raw he is because he's got freakish qualities that are rare for men his size. I think he has a chance to be as good as Kevin Williams. That's his comp." -- NFC Director of Scouting
NFL COMPARISON Kevin Williams
BOTTOM LINE Enormously powerful defensive lineman. Has the look and feel of the biggest, strongest kid on the playground but hasn't figured out how to unlock his natural gifts and consistently dominate the rest of the kids on the playground just yet. Williams can play in an odd or even front, and is able to hold the point as a two-gapper or disrupt upfield. With coaching and more experience, Williams should be able to match the athleticism with the power and become a consistent Pro Bowler with a ceiling that goes even higher than that.
DE LEONARD WILLIAMS USC PAC-12
DRAFTED BY: JETS ROUND1 PICK6 OVERALL6 COMBINE RESULTS
GRADE
7.53
DRAFT ANALYSIS:
"Williams was the best player in the draft regardless of position. If you're the Jets, you had to take him. The sky's the limit with this kid. He's stout against the run and athletic as can be." -- Mike Mayock
OVERVIEW
In 2014, Williams was selected as USC's Most Valuable Player and Defensive Lineman of the Year. Also was first-team All-Pac-12 selection. He was a finalist for the Hendricks Award and a semifinalist for the Lombardi Award, Bednarik Award and Lott IMPACT Trophy. He was one of five captains selected by teammates prior to the 2014 season. He had 80 total tackles, 9.5 tackles for loss, seven sacks, one interception and forced three fumbles during 2014 season. Williams sat out 2014 spring practice while recovering from a 2013 shoulder injury. In 2013, Williams was the starter at defensive end and he was named USC's Defensive Lineman of the Year, despite being bothered during the year with a shoulder injury. In 2012, Williams played in all 13 games, starting nine at defensive tackle and was named Pac-12 Defensive Freshman of the Year. Some of his artwork was displayed at the 2013 and 2014 "Artletics" on-campus exhibits that featured the works of USC student-athletes. As a senior in high school, his honors included Super Prep All-American and Prep Star All-American.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Supremely gifted interior lineman with length, athleticism and elite power. Lined up just about everywhere along the line at one point or another. Able to jolt offensive linemen with powerful hands and is extremely hard to redirect for offensive linemen once he gets going downhill. Explosive hip snap to leverage blockers and is rarely moved from his gap. Often a read-and-react two-gapper and plays peek-a-boo with running backs while discarding blockers at will when he's ready to tackle. Too much play strength for zone blockers to cross-face him. Fires out with low pad level when playing the run and is difficult to submarine on short yardage. Has feet and brute force to recover and get back into a play after being beaten early. Dangerous pass rusher from twist game, showing big closing burst. Effort rusher who will eventually get home if single-blocked. Beginning to develop spin move as pass-rush counter. Showed intriguing potential as a pass-rushing end in space. Frame able to hold more weight and muscle.
WEAKNESSES Is a little late out of his stance off the snap. Must learn to consistently fire hands out as weapons. Slow to transition from run stopper to pass rusher when teams throw on first down. Pad level rises and legs straighten out as pass rusher. Base will narrow, slowing momentum and limiting full potential of his bull rush. Hasn't learned to set up offensive linemen or string together pass-rush moves yet. Doesn't always play to capacity and pursuit is lacking when play heads away from him. Still very raw. Wins with physical tools over skill.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 1 (top three)
SOURCES TELL US "You can't over-think this one. It doesn't matter how raw he is because he's got freakish qualities that are rare for men his size. I think he has a chance to be as good as Kevin Williams. That's his comp." -- NFC Director of Scouting
NFL COMPARISON Kevin Williams
BOTTOM LINE Enormously powerful defensive lineman. Has the look and feel of the biggest, strongest kid on the playground but hasn't figured out how to unlock his natural gifts and consistently dominate the rest of the kids on the playground just yet. Williams can play in an odd or even front, and is able to hold the point as a two-gapper or disrupt upfield. With coaching and more experience, Williams should be able to match the athleticism with the power and become a consistent Pro Bowler with a ceiling that goes even higher than that.
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JetScreamer
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Still trying to digest this pick. Nothing against Williams as a player, just shocked to see us go DL 4th time in 5 years. If this pick is to replace Mo it's easier for me to accept but I'd hate to lose Mo. Maybe Mo priced himself off team?