#6 pick in 2015 - Jets select Leonard Williams DT USC

jetfandreamer

Jets Groupie
Jet Fanatics
Yep, Let MACCG do his job... I heard the same thing about Idzik/Ryan/Tannenbaum/Mangini and when they left town all you talked was there lousy drafts.

I believe in MACCG for one reason a big reason..he was a 15 year scout and watched players and graded players...he sat in the war room during this process next to GM for last 5 years....IDZIK/Tannenbaum NEVER did that....

WHY IS ANYONE COMPLAINING.?

.HE WAS NO 1 player ON alot of teams and scouts boards.....

its mind boggling how fickle some Jet fans are....
 

jetfandreamer

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Jet Fanatics
Still trying to digest this pick. Nothing against Williams as a player, just shocked to see us go DL 4th time in 5 years. If this pick is to replace Mo it's easier for me to accept but I'd hate to lose Mo. Maybe Mo priced himself off team?

READ MY LIPS THIS PICK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MO.....MACCG said he was going to take the best players regardless of position...
 
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JetScreamer

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I believe in MACCG for one reason a big reason..he was a 15 year scout and watched players and graded players...he sat in the war room during this process next to GM for last 5 years....IDZIK/Tannenbaum NEVER did that....

WHY IS ANYONE COMPLAINING.?

.HE WAS NO 1 player ON alot of teams and scouts boards.....

its mind boggling how fickle some Jet fans are....

I think some of us (well, I am) surprised to go DL again but he's a Jet and I'm gonna root for this kid to knock Brady on his a**.
 

njimport

5th Year Team Option
Jet Fanatics
We have to remember that this gives us options. Snacks just signed his tender for the year and this gives us leverage with Mo.. BPA will always work in your favor when you reach on your board you will make more mistakes. Don't get me wrong I like White but can't knock Mac for the pick
 

AFA2017

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
You think taking a top 3 player in the draft at [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6]#6 [/URL] is the start of a lousy draft?

It was NOT a need pick! Everyone on this board, you Hop, Big Dave, etc said numerous times that we needed a skilled position player at #6 and would be pissed off if we took another DL. Now all you are doing is kissing Mac's azz. Are you going to be thrilled if Malcolm Brown and Eddie Goldman slip to the 2nd Rd and we pick one for BPA?
 

Superman55

Franchise Tagged
Jet Fanatics
AGREE so many whiners and complainers on the board..the guy is a beast and a monster....depending on QB play k White is probably marginally better than that against the WR they can get in second round or later.....

LIke I said...if Giants took Cooper would you say they were stupid since they have a good WR corps....?? no you wouldnt so respect MACCG and his process..WE DONT KNOW BETTER THAN HIM for this team

Lockett, Dorsett, Greene, Strong, and Smith...White is an exciting player to develop with Marshall and Decker, IMO. I still think the Jets get a WR (fingers crossed)...but its fair to be bummed we didnt add a WR.

Do you think some Chargers fans were bummed when they took Rivers with Brees still developing? Thats a drastic comparison, because Rivers and Brees could never be on the field at the same time, but you have to admit Mo at 315, Richardson at 295ish, Williams at 305, and Snacks at 350...you dont have a natural outside rusher in that group. You can pretend they are so talented they can play DE, but that's a longer distance to the QB that's better suited at Coples weight (290) and down (265). I do think we'll always have mismatches. We will.

I think its okay to worry if this pick will make the Mo or Sheldon Richardson negotiations less desperate to get done.

I understand the confidence of this pick. the guy has such quick feet for his size and he's a mismatch...much like Sheldon I think. He should be a stud.

But you cant have some concerns we may lose Mo or Sheldon? We assume we are going to pay them all top dline money? I have a hard time believing we will pay all 3 top dlinemen money...but I hope we keep all 3 through their prime. As some said, could be a bigger, badder Sack Exchange. I just think it will be hard to keep together. Maybe we can have the vikings dline when they had the Williams boys and Allen. Just dominated games. Lets hope for the best.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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Jet Fanatics
Look, I understand that its not a perfect fit and it seems like overkill on the D-line, but we were picking 6th in this draft, not 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th, and we had no control over what the first five teams did. He we wanted to pick higher, it might have been a good idea to lose down the stretch and not win for a coach who was a dead man walking.

But alas we were picking 6th and the consensus "best player in the draft" magically slid to us in that spot, and we have a GM who made his philosophy crystal clear prior to the draft, he believes that you use FA to fill needs, and the draft to add the best talent. Guess what, there are GM's in Canton who believed the exact same thing.

Now I can see killing the guy if he reached for some idiot who had no business being selected 6th Overall, but to kill the guy for taking the player everyone in his mother was calling the best player in the draft prior to tonight, at 6th overall, really, thats a pick that deserves to get killed?

C'mon people, a little perspective here, and lets see how Bowles plans on utilizing his talent before we insist that it just can't work. I guarantee you Mac and Bowles had this conversation prior to the draft, what to do if Williams were to fall to them at 6, there are not many possibilities to cover when you are picking that high and I'll guarantee you this one was discussed and looked at from every conceivable angle, and these guys determined that if Williams fell they could take him and make it all work, there's no way Bowles didn't give this pick his approval, he's a defensive coach and he feels like he can make all of these pieces work, now lets see what he has in mind before we call it a failure.

You now there are worst problems to have than too many dominant defensive lineman.

Some teams would kill to have that problem, if you can call it a problem.
 

hobson54

Transition Tagged
Jet Fanatics
It was NOT a need pick! Everyone on this board, you Hop, Big Dave, etc said numerous times that we needed a skilled position player at #6 and would be pissed off if we took another DL. Now all you are doing is kissing Mac's azz. Are you going to be thrilled if Malcolm Brown and Eddie Goldman slip to the 2nd Rd and we pick one for BPA?

well no, i did not say that. i have always said you should stay true to your board and take BPA. now personally i was pushing for a WR. i won't lie. but i never said pick by need. in fact, i said to not go on need and force the pick for an OLB who i did not think was BPA.

so please get your story straight if you want to make accusations about me
 

NYJETSDAN16

Repeat Offender Pro Bowler
Jet Fanatics
I think you have to consider need in your picks.

But when a guy who is clear-cut the best player on the board, even if it's already a position of strength, leaving top players on the board is what losing teams do. Then 2, 3 years later, they get blasted by fickle fans who complain about that 2015 draft, when the Jets had the chance to draft that stud Leonard Williams and passed on him.

100% it's like passing up on Ndomukong Suh.

Folks, this defensive line is the next Sack Exchange.
 

AFA2017

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
Lockett, Dorsett, Greene, Strong, and Smith...White is an exciting player to develop with Marshall and Decker, IMO. I still think the Jets get a WR (fingers crossed)...but its fair to be bummed we didnt add a WR.

Do you think some Chargers fans were bummed when they took Rivers with Brees still developing? Thats a drastic comparison, because Rivers and Brees could never be on the field at the same time, but you have to admit Mo at 315, Richardson at 295ish, Williams at 305, and Snacks at 350...you dont have a natural outside rusher in that group. You can pretend they are so talented they can play DE, but that's a longer distance to the QB that's better suited at Coples weight (290) and down (265). I do think we'll always have mismatches. We will.

I think its okay to worry if this pick will make the Mo or Sheldon Richardson negotiations less desperate to get done.

I understand the confidence of this pick. the guy has such quick feet for his size and he's a mismatch...much like Sheldon I think. He should be a stud.

But you cant have some concerns we may lose Mo or Sheldon? We assume we are going to pay them all top dline money? I have a hard time believing we will pay all 3 top dlinemen money...but I hope we keep all 3 through their prime. As some said, could be a bigger, badder Sack Exchange. I just think it will be hard to keep together. Maybe we can have the vikings dline when they had the Williams boys and Allen. Just dominated games. Lets hope for the best.

I agree with you. We have Mo, Rich, Snacks, now Williams, Maybe Coples. I doubt Bowles will switch to a 4-3. maybe sometimes. I agree he is a stud, but we did not need another DL
 

Superman55

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Jet Fanatics
I will give you credit. You never rooted against guys just because it would have made you right.

You just ignored that you ever disliked them, and reminded us of the picks you did get right. :smiley-cool11:

That will never change....hahahaha

Ill always be proud on Moncreif and never bring up Swearinger if this goes bad with him and the Texans. ;)
 
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sg3

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So you are bummed about the Jets stealing the. Best player in the draft at 6.

For 3 months MacBowles have said they plan to use FA and trades for NEEDS and the draft to take the best football player on their board

And that is what they did in round one

Hopefully they do the same in rounds 2,3,5,7 and 7a
 

NYJETSDAN16

Repeat Offender Pro Bowler
Jet Fanatics
Lets not over react negative fellas. Its just one pick. On a player who was arguably the best in the entire draft slipped to 6. God probably smiled on us.

There are more picks to come. This draft is deep at WR and RB. Day 2 will tell a lot on how Mac will be builidning this team. As far as round one, you MUST GO WITH THE BEST PLAYER ON YOUR BOARD.
 

AFA2017

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
well no, i did not say that. i have always said you should stay true to your board and take BPA. now personally i was pushing for a WR. i won't lie. but i never said pick by need. in fact, i said to not go on need and force the pick for an OLB who i did not think was BPA.

so please get your story straight if you want to make accusations about me

Yep Hop, you were right. I went back and checked. You were misquoted, you did say, BPA. I was wrong.
 

Superman55

Franchise Tagged
Jet Fanatics
So you are bummed about the Jets stealing the. Best player in the draft at 6.

For 3 months MacBowles have said they plan to use FA and trades for NEEDS and the draft to take the best football player on their board

And that is what they did in round one

Hopefully they do the same in rounds 2,3,5,7 and 7a

Im bummed that I think it will be hard to pay all 3 stud dlinemen we have now. This will be fun to watch for a year or two...maybe three if we're lucky. But I think it will be hard to pay all 15 mill a year when it comes down to it. But maybe we will be able to if we never find a damn franchise QB.
 

Football51

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Jet Fanatics
I've always maintained that you can't hold a current regime to the actions of previous ones. Macc said that he would take BPA and he did. He said that he fundamentally believed that drafting for need was a mistake. So, he took what was universally considered to be the best player in the draft. He took "his" guy regardless of who Tannenbaum/Idzik drafted. I wouldn't be surprised if Williams was the #1 overall player on the Jets board. I still don't think Mo is going anywhere. Maybe we have Coples/Mo at end and Williams/Sheldon inside. Snacks could be trade bait. Or, we could have Mo/Williams at end and Snacks/Sheldon inside and trade Coples. Like his mentor Casserly(Mario Williams), Macc took the best talent available.
 
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