#6 pick in 2015 - Jets select Leonard Williams DT USC

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Superman55 said:
Im bummed that I think it will be hard to pay all 3 stud dlinemen we have now.

Here's what I posted weeks ago when the topic of Williams possibly falling to the Jets was broached. At the time it seemed far-fetched, but now that its a reality the post has more relevance so I decided to paste it here.

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Its a good question because you never know, its highly unlikely he falls to 6, but anything is possible.

If it happens he would be real hard to pass on, but if we take him that means switching to a base 4-3, which is fine with me because we're talking about a super unit on the front four, and with our rebuilt secondary that spells H-E-L-L for QB's.

BASE FRONT FOUR

DE Mo Wilkerson
DT Sheldon Richardson
DT Leonard Williams
DE Quinton Coples

Or you could go Williams & Coples at the ends, Wilkerson and Sheldon inside.

SHORT YARD/GOAL LINE

DE Mo Wilkerson
DT Sheldon Richardson
DT Snacks
DE Leonard Williams

Its a great five man rotation too because Snacks can sub in for all four of them, whoever needs a blow, because all of our D-Tackles have DE versatility, so any one of them can shift outside if he subs for an end, and in todays NFL your DL's all need a blow, its too taxing in the trenches, if they play every down they'll be sucking wind in the 4th Qtr, so your 5th Man is like the Nickel in todays NFL, a quasi starter, another justification for taking Williams if he slides to 6.

Lastly, taking Williams and shifting to a base 4-3 essentially eliminates the need for a 3-4 Rush OLB. Now we can just draft a 4-3 OLB later in the draft, and those guys (unlike the 3-4 edge rushers) are not at a premium, so you can get a damn good one after the first round.
 

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mark schlereth @markschlereth · 50m 50 minutes ago I love the pick for the Jets that defense is going to be nasty



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Rich Cimini @RichCimini · 9m 9 minutes ago
Leonard Williams is only 20 years old. Turns 21 on June 20. #nyjpick


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-je...jets-draft-dt-leonard-williams-in-first-round
 

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It was NOT a need pick! Everyone on this board, you Hop, Big Dave, etc said numerous times that we needed a skilled position player at [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6]#6 [/URL] and would be pissed off if we took another DL. Now all you are doing is kissing Mac's azz. Are you going to be thrilled if Malcolm Brown and Eddie Goldman slip to the 2nd Rd and we pick one for BPA?

I don't recall saying we needed to go skill at #6 . I did think pass rusher or WR was most likely, if not a deal.

Do you go need over BPA when there's a clear BPA on the board? To me, Williams was expected to be gone top 3, and some suspected the Titans may even take him over Mariota.
 

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That will never change....hahahaha

Ill always be proud on Moncreif and never bring up Swearinger if this goes bad with him and the Texans. ;)

HA!

We had another guy on the old scout who vanished several years ago, who was hot and heavy for Omar Jacobs.
 

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I hope that Leonard realizes that he has to change his last name to "Williamson" to fit with the Sons of Anarchy :)
 

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Bottom line:

We have to move to the 4-3, there's no way around it, and I don't care who says otherwise.

Even if Todd Bowles says we're still a base 3-4 team, he will soon come to the realization that the talent dictates a shift to the 4-3 and there's simply no way around it. When you have Wilkerson, Richardson and Williams, three all-pro caliber D-linemen, none of who is equipped to play NT in the 3-4, and none of whom is equipped to play linebacker, the only way you can get all three guys on the field at the same time is a shift to the 4-3.

Its that simple, you have three potentially dominant DL's and there's no way to get them all on the field together other than the 4-3, so barring a trade a shift to a base 4-3 is absolutely inevitable now.
 

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I don't recall saying we needed to go skill at #6 . I did think pass rusher or WR was most likely, if not a deal.

Do you go need over BPA when there's a clear BPA on the board? To me, Williams was expected to be gone top 3, and some suspected the Titans may even take him over Mariota.

I understand BPA, but it was not a need position. What if you have Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck and the BPA is a QB. Do you take him. I'm not questioning you that he is a Beast and the best player in the draft. We did not need him. i also said some things out of anger and they were uncalled for. i have no hard feelings towards you. I'm just not comfortable with the pick
 

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Chris Nimbley @Cnimbley · 53m 53 minutes ago Maccagnan and Bowles said they will both reach out to Mo to reassure him this pick wasn't about him. "Of course we still want him."



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Chris Nimbley @Cnimbley · 55m 55 minutes ago
Bowles says he was always going to play some 4-3, though will be a base 3-4, how much 4-3 will depend on the matchup #Jets
 

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I understand BPA, but it was not a need position. What if you have Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck and the BPA is a QB. Do you take him. I'm not questioning you that he is a Beast and the best player in the draft. We did not need him. i also said some things out of anger and they were uncalled for. i have no hard feelings towards you. I'm just not comfortable with the pick



Very cool to apologize. Much respect.
 

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I've always maintained that you can't hold a current regime to the actions of previous ones. Macc said that he would take BPA and he did. He said that he fundamentally believed that drafting for need was a mistake. So, he took what was universally considered to be the best player in the draft. He took "his" guy regardless of who Tannenbaum/Idzik drafted. I wouldn't be surprised if Williams was the #1 overall player on the Jets board. I still don't think Mo is going anywhere. Maybe we have Coples/Mo at end and Williams/Sheldon inside. Snacks could be trade bait. Or, we could have Mo/Williams at end and Snacks/Sheldon inside and trade Coples. Like his mentor Casserly(Mario Williams), Macc took the best talent available.
I was with you 100% right up until the "Maybe we trade Snacks" thing, 51.

You don't have to trade Snacks. He's not making big money, and if you are shifting to a 4-3, Snacks gives you a terrific 5th Man and designated run stuffer on short yardage and goal-line, where we can pull Coples and move Williams to end.
 

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I trust in our regime and know Williams is the best overall player in the draft. I'm not happy with this pick at all but if they trade Mo then it makes since. Guess it will all work out one way or the other is all I can say.
 

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Bowles says he was always going to play some 4-3, though will be a base 3-4, how much 4-3 will depend on the matchup
Bullshit.

If thats true then the people who are criticizing the pick are 100% correct.

As I already pointed out in minute detail, this pick only makes sense if we are shifting to a base 4-3.

There's no other way that this pick can make sense.
 

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I understand BPA, but it was not a need position. What if you have Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck and the BPA is a QB. Do you take him. I'm not questioning you that he is a Beast and the best player in the draft. We did not need him. i also said some things out of anger and they were uncalled for. i have no hard feelings towards you. I'm just not comfortable with the pick

There have been picks I haven't liked, either. But in this case, it's not a need, but damn, he was without a doubt a steal at #6 .
 
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Bullshit.

If thats true then the people who are criticizing the pick are 100% correct.

As I already pointed out in minute detail, this pick only makes sense if we are shifting to a base 4-3.

There's no other way that this pick can make sense.


or if we are dangling wilk to get more picks or move back up
 
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