I don't agree with Mac's first two moves

[Bronx]

I will wait to see what's next, but I don't like the way this has started. We've committed around 17 million next year to two players on the wrong side of thirty. And now , we may fork over another 15 mil to another soon to be thirty yr old corner. Going forward, I would like to invest in players who we can feel confident will be around in 5 years. I know the competition will be stiffer for younger, premium type players. But that's the direction I'd like to go. I'm going to wait before judging any further, but I hate the start we are off to

 

[Football51]

"Young" players rarely reach free agency. The top "premium" player out there will be Suh and he's already 28. You don't look for long term fixes in free agency. You look for them in the draft. Free agents should give you a few productive seasons which is why they always say to pay attention to the amount of money in the first three years of the deal. The rest, is monopoly money. For the Jets, Marshall has no guaranteed money left and is an upgrade from Harvin with no long term cap issues. Harris' guaranteed money runs out after 2016 with no cap ramifications beyond that.

 

[OCCH]

I will wait to see what's next, but I don't like the way this has started. We've committed around 17 million next year to two players on the wrong side of thirty. And now , we may fork over another 15 mil to another soon to be thirty yr old corner. Going forward, I would like to invest in players who we can feel confident will be around in 5 years. I know the competition will be stiffer for younger, premium type players. But that's the direction I'd like to go. I'm going to wait before judging any further, but I hate the start we are off to

Like it or not, $7.5 mil is a GREAT price for the potential Marshall brings. It's not a deal you nake for the future, but because it's too good to pass up.

Harris is likely the better argument, but i guess there's value in keeping some continuity for the new regime.

Like you said, lets see how the rest of the offseason plays out. We're DEFINITELY better than we were a few days ago, and hopefully it doesn't interefere with the bigger long-term plan . . .

 

[Jet Setter]

I'm hearing you. I don't recall seeing much if any urgency in retaining Harris on this site nor in the media. There were a few here and there but to say a flood of support that I see in the responses since he was signed just doesn't jibe. It doesn't seem genuine. To this point, you're the only voice in addition to mine who isn't jazzed about Harris and I could swear to seeing a lot more who were indifferent to having him re-signed. I don't know where those posters went. I wanted him out last season. I think he's a major liability in coverage and pursuit combined with Pace making us a very slow LB corps.

Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong but I know I didn't imagine seeing Harris and Pace whiffing and chasing in futility our opponents on offense the past few seasons. Count me in as unimpressed. I think they have to get a young OLB to counter this one.

As for Marshall, I'm okay with that and I was always a bit leery of being stuck with Kevin White out of necessity. I think he's got bust written all over him. Not a good route runner and despite his speed and strength never seems to separate from college CB's. For that. I breathe a sigh of relief and realize we'll get a better player at #6 . Hopefully, a good pass rusher. I don't think they have any intention of drafting Mariota.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

No matter what decisions the GM makes or doesn't make, there will always be criticism.

We upgraded the WR position with a sure-thing #1 for several years.

We kept a 31 year old ILB who is solid, not spectacular. He would've been swept up Tues morning by Rex, and the Jets would have another hole to fill. Which is never a sure thing in the draft. And last time I checked, there aren't many 3-4 ILB's of high quality just sitting around waiting for the phone to ring.

I like both moves.

 

[NickSINYC]

No matter what decisions the GM makes or doesn't make, there will always be criticism.

We upgraded the WR position with a sure-thing #1 for several years.

We kept a 31 year old ILB who is solid, not spectacular. He would've been swept up Tues morning by Rex, and the Jets would have another hole to fill. Which is never a sure thing in the draft. And last time I checked, there aren't many 3-4 ILB's of high quality just sitting around waiting for the phone to ring.

I like both moves.

I like the Marshall move better than Harris. He is a little slow footed for me but if Bowles wants him and has plans to use him properly I am good with it.

 

[Jet Setter]

No matter what decisions the GM makes or doesn't make, there will always be criticism.

We upgraded the WR position with a sure-thing #1 for several years.

We kept a 31 year old ILB who is solid, not spectacular. He would've been swept up Tues morning by Rex, and the Jets would have another hole to fill. Which is never a sure thing in the draft. And last time I checked, there aren't many 3-4 ILB's of high quality just sitting around waiting for the phone to ring.

I like both moves.

I don't agree with that notion that we had no better option. I think Brooks Reed and Bruce Carter were far better options as well as Mason Foster. All much younger, quicker and better in pass coverage and very likely, all cheaper. This position could've been upgraded in FA and certainly in the draft IMO.

Does anyone believe Harris is a 3-down player at this point?

 

[Football51]

Pace is not guaranteed to be on the roster and neither is Babin. They were kept(at the moment) for depth/competition. $250,000 hits if cut is not a big deal.

 

[jetfandreamer]

I don't agree with that notion that we had no better option. I think Brooks Reed and Bruce Carter were far better options as well as Mason Foster. All much younger, quicker and better in pass coverage and very likely, all cheaper. This position could've been upgraded in FA and certainly in the draft IMO.

Does anyone believe Harris is a 3-down player at this point?

Noone believes that but he is steady..a good guy actually had 5 1/2 sacks last year..did they over pay a bit..probably..but ..they have to put some money out there so I would rather overpay a good soldier for us for the past 8 years..tHAN SOME OTHER CLOWN

 

[cysporsche]

"Young" players rarely reach free agency. The top "premium" player out there will be Suh and he's already 28. You don't look for long term fixes in free agency. You look for them in the draft. Free agents should give you a few productive seasons which is why they always say to pay attention to the amount of money in the first three years of the deal. The rest, is monopoly money. For the Jets, Marshall has no guaranteed money left and is an upgrade from Harvin with no long term cap issues. Harris' guaranteed money runs out after 2016 with no cap ramifications beyond that.

Hmmm, I can think of a few good FA younger than Suh. Bulaga 25, Cobb 24, Maclin 26, Houston 26, Jackson 25.

Here are my 2 complaints about these moves:
1) If Marshall does not IMPLODE he's a steal for a 5th round pick. The problem I have is that I wanted Amari Cooper or Kevin White @ 6, but now with Marshall, I can't see them going WR anymore.

2) I love Harris, but he's a 2 down LB with terrible coverage skills and below average speed. I think we signed him to keep him away from Rex ? This is the difference between the Jets & the Patriots. The Jets will hold onto a player too long, while the Rainman will cut bait. We need to get younger, faster, and cheaper, not the opposite.

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[Football51]

CY.....

Houston isn't free. He has the franchise tag. The comment was about "premium" free agents. I don't consider Maclin/Cobb premium. that would be Dez/Thomas who aren't on the market. Rt's aren't premium players either. Kareem Jackson will be 27 years old this year. Revis is premium, Jackson, while I like him a lot, isn't.

 

[JetScreamer]

I agree Cy. WR at #6 may not happen though I think we still have to draft a speed WR at some point in rounds 2-4. Kerley is decent but I would like to see an upgrade at the #3 WR. I think Harris staying is for leadership and the fact that is still decent against the run. It would help if Davis makes more impact plays for us-maybe that would allow Harris to not drop into coverage as often?

 

[Bronx]

Because of age, I'd sign Maxwell over Revis. I like that we are driving the price of Revis , but I hope the Pats pay that price, and we sign Maxwell.

I doubt we get will multiple great years from Marshall. He was banged up last year, and older players get banged up easier. Stats go down post thirty, not up

 

[cysporsche]

I agree Cy. WR at #6 may not happen though I think we still have to draft a speed WR at some point in rounds 2-4. Kerley is decent but I would like to see an upgrade at the #3 WR. I think Harris staying is for leadership and the fact that is still decent against the run. It would help if Davis makes more impact plays for us-maybe that would allow Harris to not drop into coverage as often?

There's the problem right there, we let the Julio Jones & AJ Greens pass us by and we settle for average. We have a chance to snag a stud WR in Cooper & White, and I hope Marshall does not keep them from pulling the trigger.

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[McJet]

Because of age, I'd sign Maxwell over Revis. I like that we are driving the price of Revis , but I hope the Pats pay that price, and we sign Maxwell.

I doubt we get will multiple great years from Marshall. He was banged up last year, and older players get banged up easier. Stats go down post thirty, not up

The bottom line for me is that Marshall is a significant upgrade over who the Jets have now, for a relatively good salary that isn't guaranteed next year.Marshalli is a big target that doesn't really rely on speed, which is the big deal for "older"receivers that lose a step.At 31 he's not going to shrink and his experience dwarfs that of any rookie receiver no matter where he's picked in the draft.
I'm hoping Bowles can use Harris in a way as not to expose him in the passing game to much.

 

[Mainejet]

The Marshall move extinguishes a fire in the short term. The fans(and probably the FO) have been clamoring for WR's for ages now. McCagnan cannot possibly address all of the Jets needs in one draft. That is impossible. The Jets only real strength is DL. Everywhere else on the team they have major needs. This allows McCagnan to focus on some other area that desperately needs upgrading. IMO, this says more about the Jets intentions to go after a QB. Geno's days are numbered. They can possibly go after Mariota and rest assured that he'll have one decent WR around him.
Resigning Harris for me is a good move only because he's played in this defense for his entire career. And if it is also about wanting to keep him away from Buffalo? Then I applaud the move even more. It's about time the Jets discovered making moves that strengthen our team and weaken another simultaneously.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

The bottom line for me is that Marshall is a significant upgrade over who the Jets have now, for a relatively good salary that isn't guaranteed next year.Marshalli is a big target that doesn't really rely on speed, which is the big deal for "older"receivers that lose a step.At 31 he's not going to shrink and his experience dwarfs that of any rookie receiver no matter where he's picked in the draft.
I'm hoping Bowles can use Harris in a way as not to expose him in the passing game to much.

Good post, McJet.

Sometimes you've got to take what's out there. We weren't getting Dez Bryant or Demaryius Thomas. Neither was anyone outside of Dallas or Denver, respectively. Other than Jeremey Maclin, who was a better alternative? Randall Cobb is a slot receiver. #1 WR's don't grow on trees, and 31 isn't that old. He'll give us two solid years, and now we can refocus the #6 pick on Mariota, a CB like Trae Waynes, or one of the edge rushers. Assuming we don't deal down.

 

[AFA2017]

I like the Marshall trade but was one of the few who was not happy with the Harris signing. Not that we signed him, but the amount we signed him for. As another poster noted (NE would have got bait on its older players). The big difference between the Jets and NE is that the Patriots develop there bench players whereas Rex used them as practice fodder. Really, who have we developed? Most teams draft to fill needs NOW! The Jets draft to fill the roster hoping that we can develop a player in 3 - 5 years.

 

[OCCH]

There's the problem right there, we let the Julio Jones & AJ Greens pass us by and we settle for average. We have a chance to snag a stud WR in Cooper & White, and I hope Marshall does not keep them from pulling the trigger.

Go Jets...Cyborg

I would take a stud pass rusher over an elite receiver 8 days a week. I do not believe the top WRs are head and shoulders better than the top pass rushers, so if Marshall gives us more flexibility with the #6 pick, I'm all for it.

Now could we still screw the pick up? Of course, but there's guarantee no matter who we pick there . . .

 

[OCCH]

I like the Marshall trade but was one of the few who was not happy with the Harris signing. Not that we signed him, but the amount we signed him for. As another poster noted (NE would have got bait on its older players). The big difference between the Jets and NE is that the Patriots develop there bench players whereas Rex used them as practice fodder. Really, who have we developed? Most teams draft to fill needs NOW! The Jets draft to fill the roster hoping that we can develop a player in 3 - 5 years.

Devito? Snacks? Leger? Allen?

It's easy to "develop your bench" when TB is behind center. I actually think the Jets have gotten decent production from players it wasn't expected from . . .