Is it at all possible that Geno Smith has developed this year to being a real QB this year?

[jets82]

I can't blame you for having blind faith, but it is blind faith. There is simply nothing to base it on because Geno, with all this "talent" you believe he has, has never done a single thing to show it, and no one pass or one single play doesn't prove he can play. The fact is regardless of how bad the team or coaching have been, Geno has proved he doesn't belong in the NFL.

I understand people want to kill Geno at every chance they get. I get it, I originally wanted Geno gone myself this year. Here's the issue and I've said it a thousand times, unless we draft Winston or trade for Breez or Rivers, we may very well be stuck with Geno as our starter for at least this year. Drafting Mariota may get Geno off the field game one but I doubt that seriously because he is just as green as Geno was coming out of college. So one would assume he may need some time to develop aswell. Drafting any other QB not named Winston or Mariota I don't think they can beat out Geno either. Now I don't know this for a fact and I'm not God, its just my opinion.

As far as Fitz goes, I'll let you guys that's in his corner believe he will be the day one starter because I don't see that either. We all seem to forget that QBs generally get it in their third year. That's where Geno is approaching. He also played with horrible teams and under horrible coaching and management. I don't think any rational person can debate that also. With all this said, Geno just might be able to get it together this year with a much better team and much better coaching. Now all of this can be a pipe dream on my part I will admit but the fact is, we may be stuck with Geno as the starter this year regardless. As far as him never showing any signs of being a legit QB that is not true because his first year, he had the best QB rating of anyone not named Manning his last four games. He also played well in spot games here and there.

 

[sg3]

I agree

If Geno Smith is our starting QB we are definitely "stuck".

But the top 5 draft pick he will deliver in 2016 will be helpful to whoever replaces Maccagnan and Bowles

 

[grogan14]

I understand people want to kill Geno at every chance they get. I get it, I originally wanted Geno gone myself this year. Here's the issue and I've said it a thousand times, unless we draft Winston or trade for Breez or Rivers, we may very well be stuck with Geno as our starter for at least this year. Drafting Mariota may get Geno off the field game one but I doubt that seriously because he is just as green as Geno was coming out of college. So one would assume he may need some time to develop aswell. Drafting any other QB not named Winston or Mariota I don't think they can beat out Geno either. Now I don't know this for a fact and I'm not God, its just my opinion.

As far as Fitz goes, I'll let you guys that's in his corner believe he will be the day one starter because I don't see that either. We all seem to forget that QBs generally get it in their third year. That's where Geno is approaching. He also played with horrible teams and under horrible coaching and management. I don't think any rational person can debate that also. With all this said, Geno just might be able to get it together this year with a much better team and much better coaching. Now all of this can be a pipe dream on my part I will admit but the fact is, we may be stuck with Geno as the starter this year regardless. As far as him never showing any signs of being a legit QB that is not true because his first year, he had the best QB rating of anyone not named Manning his last four games. He also played well in spot games here and there.

I think it's this mentality that a lot of people can't stand. Please name those four teams and their respective records? On top of that, your hanging your hopes and dreams on four games against awful teams, what about the other 28 games he's played?

 

[HYATT™]

Why is this fallacy about QBs "getting it in the 3rd year" persisting?
It's not true, not even REMOTELY true.
Of all the positions in professional football, NONE, not one, is more reliant on that prospect coming into the league and "getting it" from the git-go.
Any case where one can point to a QB and say he "got it" in his 3rd year is entirely a subjective ignorance of the talent displayed in that QB's first 2 seasons.
It's a stat sheet reader's paradise, but one that is premised on lying statistics.
Because if there is one NFL position that CANNOT be quantified by statistics, it is the leadership role of an NFL quarterback.
If it were otherwise, a lot of NFL HCs and GMs went down in the dust for their failure to be able to read a QB stat sheet - not to say some haven't for exactly that, but it's been for willful ignorance concerning their own investment in a particular QB, not the opposite failure to be able to read that mystical "QB's 3rd year" BS.

 

[jets82]

I agree

If Geno Smith is our starting QB we are definitely "stuck".

But the top 5 draft pick he will deliver in 2016 will be helpful to whoever replaces Maccagnan and Bowles

Are you saying that if Geno starts this then Bowles and Mac will get fired next year?

 

[jets82]

I think it's this mentality that a lot of people can't stand. Please name those four teams and their respective records? On top of that, your hanging your hopes and dreams on four games against awful teams, what about the other 28 games he's played?

He actually didn't even play in 28 other games if I'm correct. Remember he was benched for 3-4 games last year. The other games he did play in he bombed more then he succeeded of course but he didn't bomb in every game. Can't give detail for detail for detail, but he played well against the Bears last year for example. I believe he played well against the Raiders and Steelers. He didn't play that bad against the Pats either last year or in his rookie year if I'm correct.

Point being, ALOT of people I remember seemed to be on the side and rooting for Sanchez through all his BS for 4 straight years he played here. However; their ready to throw Geno away after two years and he played with MUCH worse teams his first two years then Sanchez ever played with all 4 years he was here. Well five really but he was injured. Not saying its a racial issue but Geno wasn't any worse then Sanchez and Sanchez played with better teams. None of this seems to count for anything when it comes to Geno and I just can't understand it.

Listen, if your telling me the Jets are drafting Winston or trading for Breez or Rivers, then I'm with you. Geno has to ride the bench and lets prepare to trade him ASAP. If your telling me they are drafting Mariota I'm listening and willing to slowly push Geno out the door because I feel Mariota will be ready to start his second year. If your telling me were drafting any other QB or we have to depend on Fitz, then I'm rolling with Geno and hoping for the best with him to be our future QB.

Note: I would have been ready to dump Geno if the Foles trade would have come our way but it didn't. I'm not as much of a Geno homer as everyone thinks. I just trying to be realistic about our options here.

 

[jets82]

Why is this fallacy about QBs "getting it in the 3rd year" persisting?
It's not true, not even REMOTELY true.
Of all the positions in professional football, NONE, not one, is more reliant on that prospect coming into the league and "getting it" from the git-go.
Any case where one can point to a QB and say he "got it" in his 3rd year is entirely a subjective ignorance of the talent displayed in that QB's first 2 seasons.
It's a stat sheet reader's paradise, but one that is premised on lying statistics.
Because if there is one NFL position that CANNOT be quantified by statistics, it is the leadership role of an NFL quarterback.
If it were otherwise, a lot of NFL HCs and GMs went down in the dust for their failure to be able to read a QB stat sheet - not to say some haven't for exactly that, but it's been for willful ignorance concerning their own investment in a particular QB, not the opposite failure to be able to read that mystical "QB's 3rd year" BS.

Can't give you any hard core stats ofcourse but I'm going off the NFL pundits, experts etc-etc that say QBs usually get adjusting after three years and the game slows down for them. They actually say that about other positions as well.

 

[sg3]

Fired?

Can't guarantee it.

All I know is Smith was below average as a rookie and in the second year when rookies usually make a big jump forward, he got significantly worse.

And got his coach, GM and OC fired.

I think we have smarter and more able people in all those positions in 2015. They have already shown their smarts by fixing a number of seriously deficient position including QB with Fitzpatrick. Hopefully, when Mariota and Winston are gone at 6, they draft a game changer like Cooper or Fowler or Gregory and then take a Petty, Grayson, Hundley or Mannion in a later round and he learns and develops under Gailey, Fitzpatrick and Simms and starts when ready to finally, after more than a decade, give us a QB who can play at NFL levels and compete with the best

 

[HYATT™]

Can't give you any hard core stats ofcourse but I'm going off the NFL pundits, experts etc-etc that say QBs usually get adjusting after three years and the game slows down for them. They actually say that about other positions as well.

If anything the largest jump for young players is between Year 1 & Year 2.
The one position I would extend to 3 years is Strong Safety, which HYATT™ has repeatedly maintained takes 3 years to learn thoroughly.

 

[jets82]

If anything the largest jump for young players is between Year 1 & Year 2.
The one position I would extend to 3 years is Strong Safety, which HYATT™ has repeatedly maintained takes 3 years to learn thoroughly.

Well I guess I'll take your word for it being you seem to be more of a expert then the so called experts, Lol. Honestly, there is truth to what your saying no doubt but these NFL gurus pull this info from proven stats (I'm assuming). So it must have some truth to it.

 

[Bigmoe]

No comment:fat-white-cat-shaki

 

[jets82]

Fired?

Can't guarantee it.

All I know is Smith was below average as a rookie and in the second year when rookies usually make a big jump forward, he got significantly worse.

And got his coach, GM and OC fired.

I think we have smarter and more able people in all those positions in 2015. They have already shown their smarts by fixing a number of seriously deficient position including QB with Fitzpatrick. Hopefully, when Mariota and Winston are gone at 6, they draft a game changer like Cooper or Fowler or Gregory and then take a Petty, Grayson, Hundley or Mannion in a later round and he learns and develops under Gailey, Fitzpatrick and Simms and starts when ready to finally, after more than a decade, give us a QB who can play at NFL levels and compete with the best

I believe his stats were actually better his first year. Hard to truly analysis because he was benched for 3-4 games. His completion percentage was better, td-int ratio was better and he fumbled less if I'm correct. If he played the entire season who knows, his stats might have been worse the way he was going. Especially with the Bills game disaster. So I won't put up that much of a fight there.

As for them drafting anyone else except Winston that can beat him out, with the team he has now and two years under his belt I doubt it. Doubt seriously Fitz will do it also but we'll see.

 

[Bigmoe]

Or in the famous words of Sam Giancana

" I'll take the 5th "

:waving-white-flag:

 

[jets82]

i think you mean his stats were better in his second year. Geno was much better. If we give him a line, he can be successful. He's a one read QB at this point of his career

Yeah I did mean second year.

 

[HYATT™]

Well I guess I'll take your word for it being you seem to be more of a expert then the so called experts, Lol. Honestly, there is truth to what your saying no doubt but these NFL gurus pull this info from proven stats (I'm assuming). So it must have some truth to it.

NFL bloggers researching - now THERE is a novel idea.
Their standard practice is to make a phone call to a team "source" and transmit whatever PR the "snitch" lays on them, verbatim.

For "research" they search the internet for something written by someone else at some point in the not too distant past, (usually without attribution or sourcing given), and call it "deep analysis".
(As in 3 fingers deep into that last glass of scotch.)
HYATT™ is never so sloppy, always preferring to go to the sheets and do his own math.

Sadly, that is the state of the profession that USED TO BE CALLED "sports journalism".

 

[Old#15]

I get a kick out of the arguments that say that Geno's good-great performances only came against poor teams who had nothing to play for at the end of the last two seasons. To those who pose that argument, you forget that the Jets were also a lousy team with theoretically little to play for. I think it is a hollow argument, and if nothing else it shows that the kid doesn't quit. Does that make him a potential franchise or even good QB, absolutely not, but let's be fair about our criticisms here.

 

[Superman55]

I get a kick out of the arguments that say that Geno's good-great performances only came against poor teams who had nothing to play for at the end of the last two seasons. To those who pose that argument, you forget that the Jets were also a lousy team with theoretically little to play for. I think it is a hollow argument, and if nothing else it shows that the kid doesn't quit. Does that make him a potential franchise or even good QB, absolutely not, but let's be fair about our criticisms here.

Its an even worse argument when his biggest performances to end those seasons were on the road vs teams that had to win a simple home game against a pathetic jets team to make the play-offs, and Geno blew the doors off that team with something to play for vs his Jets with nothing to play for...but when there is hate in your eyes, the sky is red, water isn't wet, and Kate Upton is ugly. I dont want to live in the world where the sky is red, water isn't wet, and Kate Upton is ugly. I'd let them continue living in that world of hate as the only emotion.

truth is, no one knows yet what Geno will become...but one thing is for sure, if you read between the lines, whether it is Bowles on the radio now or Woody in front of the media yesterday...it doesnt sounds like Winston or Mariota will be a Jet heading into the season. So its Geno, Fitz, and someone else most likely...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/woody-johnson-geno-smith-marcus-mariota-article-1.2159839?utm_content=buffer7725e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=swalder+twitter

Amid speculation whether the Jets would draft — or trade up for — Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota, Johnson offered a sobering perspective for diehards who have been fed up with Smith’s largely disappointing play in his first two seasons.

“Geno’s probably way ahead of him at this point, believe it or not,” Johnson said at the NFL meetings on Monday. “Whether you guys have skepticism or not… but certainly his college career was good.”

Like it or not, Geno Smith could very well be the Jets' No 1 quarterback next season.

Smith was a terrible fit for former Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg’s West Coast offense, but there’s a sense that new play-caller Chan Gailey would tailor a system better suited for the former West Virginia star’s skillset.

Mariota, of course, is a tantalizing option for a team searching for a franchise quarterback. The former Oregon signal-caller will have a private workout for new general manager Mike Maccagnan and head coach Todd Bowles on Saturday. Johnson took a measured approach rather than wax poetic about Mariota.

“I don’t have any feeling about it whatsoever,” Johnson said. “We’re in the process of going through all the candidates… and tape and interviews and doing our research. I don’t know who it is at this point, whether it’s Mariota or anybody else.”


There are plenty of Jets fans who would love to see Marcus Mariota taking snaps for Gang Green in 2015.
Johnson also stopped short of calling Smith the right guy for the job in 2015.

“That’s something that we’re going to look at,” Johnson said. “We’ve got from now until the start of the season to address every position, not only quarterback. We’re going to have competition at every position. We’ve said that before and we’re going to have competition here. Hopefully, it’ll bring out the best in the quarterbacks and all the positions.”

 

[jets82]

Its an even worse argument when his biggest performances to end those seasons were on the road vs teams that had to win a simple home game against a pathetic jets team to make the play-offs, and Geno blew the doors off that team with something to play for vs his Jets with nothing to play for...but when there is hate in your eyes, the sky is red, water isn't wet, and Kate Upton is ugly. I dont want to live in the world where the sky is red, water isn't wet, and Kate Upton is ugly. I'd let them continue living in that world of hate as the only emotion.

truth is, no one knows yet what Geno will become...but one thing is for sure, if you read between the lines, whether it is Bowles on the radio now or Woody in front of the media yesterday...it doesnt sounds like Winston or Mariota will be a Jet heading into the season. So its Geno, Fitz, and someone else most likely...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/woody-johnson-geno-smith-marcus-mariota-article-1.2159839?utm_content=buffer7725e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=swalder+twitter

Amid speculation whether the Jets would draft — or trade up for — Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota, Johnson offered a sobering perspective for diehards who have been fed up with Smith’s largely disappointing play in his first two seasons.

“Geno’s probably way ahead of him at this point, believe it or not,” Johnson said at the NFL meetings on Monday. “Whether you guys have skepticism or not… but certainly his college career was good.”

Like it or not, Geno Smith could very well be the Jets' No 1 quarterback next season.

Smith was a terrible fit for former Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg’s West Coast offense, but there’s a sense that new play-caller Chan Gailey would tailor a system better suited for the former West Virginia star’s skillset.

Mariota, of course, is a tantalizing option for a team searching for a franchise quarterback. The former Oregon signal-caller will have a private workout for new general manager Mike Maccagnan and head coach Todd Bowles on Saturday. Johnson took a measured approach rather than wax poetic about Mariota.

“I don’t have any feeling about it whatsoever,” Johnson said. “We’re in the process of going through all the candidates… and tape and interviews and doing our research. I don’t know who it is at this point, whether it’s Mariota or anybody else.”


There are plenty of Jets fans who would love to see Marcus Mariota taking snaps for Gang Green in 2015.
Johnson also stopped short of calling Smith the right guy for the job in 2015.

“That’s something that we’re going to look at,” Johnson said. “We’ve got from now until the start of the season to address every position, not only quarterback. We’re going to have competition at every position. We’ve said that before and we’re going to have competition here. Hopefully, it’ll bring out the best in the quarterbacks and all the positions.”

I've been saying it all along that we are probably stuck with Geno starting this year at least. So we might as well get used to it and root for the kid. He is only 24, in his third year, on a MUCH (5x) better team with MUCH (10x) better coaching and management staff and he has some skill for the game and QB position (believe it not).

Winston we all know is out the picture and Mariota the Jets maybe thinking he is not a sure fire like Luck, so why take that chance with him at #6 . Ofcourse they may draft a QB in the third or fourth round but they may actually want to give Geno this one last year to show what he can do with a team that can actually help him and win.

Note: So unless by some miracle by God they get Winston or trade for Breez or Rivers, it just might be Geno as our QB this year.

 

[jets82]

I get a kick out of the arguments that say that Geno's good-great performances only came against poor teams who had nothing to play for at the end of the last two seasons. To those who pose that argument, you forget that the Jets were also a lousy team with theoretically little to play for. I think it is a hollow argument, and if nothing else it shows that the kid doesn't quit. Does that make him a potential franchise or even good QB, absolutely not, but let's be fair about our criticisms here.

Yeah amazing isn't it that we can deal with 4 years of Sanchez bullsh#t but Geno gets no love. Sanchez teams his first two years anyway were contenders but Geno teams were amongst the worst in the league. Plus his HC and GMs were pure garbage. Funny how that counts for nothing.

 

[Superman55]

Bowles clearly said today Geno will start as the #1 Qb...then he said this (i.e. its Geno's job to lose):

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"If you are first team, and you want to stay first team, you do your job." - Todd Bowles

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"You can't have even first team reps at quarterback." - Todd Bowles on sharing reps in a QB competition.

the debate should be over until training camp begins. geno is heading into camp the #1 QB unless Winston or Mariota fall...which isnt happening.

But I know a few posters believe Chris Simms or a rookie will be the starter when camp begins, just to be contrarians. Its a waste of time, the coach and owner are telling Jets fans till they're blue in the face its Geno for now, and people somehow believe he wont even be on the roster...I guess they know more than the coach and owner who will start.