Pick #103 - Bryce Petty - QB - Baylor

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I think it's pretty funny that anyone could say they know that Bryce Petty isn't the answer. Just because he needs some work acclimating to the pro game is an automatic reason for disqualification as a long term solution? That's nuts.

I feel Petty has a great chance by as early as next season. He clearly has to figure out things like better footwork and recognizing defenses, but that stuff can be developed by smarter QB's. Petty has the arm, size and smarts to eventually become a pretty good QB. I'm not counting him out by a long shot.

 

[Superman55]

HYATT™ went on record early, though apparently not often enough, about his opinion on GeNOT Smith ever becoming an NFL QB, let alone a franchise one.
While HYATT™ doesn't want to come off as a perpetual St. Nancy of a Sissy about the lack of QB talent on the Jets teams of the past 40 years, Bryce Petty is also NOT the long-term answer for this franchise.

2016 will hopefully provide that guy - though if the Jets are half as good as HYATT™ thinks they can be under The Amish Rifle's leadership, it's going to be the worst possible year to NOT suck and end up picking in the 20s with other WC and division winning teams.

I know throwing a season is NOT exactly what anyone wants, but given the QB class of 2016, HYATT™, as a long view RESPONSIBLE GM, would definitely have to raise the issue with my owner and coaches.

What does HYATT think of Petty? Sorry if I missed a previous scouting report.

 

[Elias]

I think it's pretty funny that anyone could say they know that Bryce Petty isn't the answer. Just because he needs some work acclimating to the pro game is an automatic reason for disqualification as a long term solution? That's nuts.

I feel Petty has a great chance by as early as next season. He clearly has to figure out things like better footwork and recognizing defenses, but that stuff can be developed by smarter QB's. Petty has the arm, size and smarts to eventually become a pretty good QB. I'm not counting him out by a long shot.

Me neither. If he had no shot he wouldn't have been selected. If he wasn't a project, he wouldn't have lasted until round 4.

The kid needs to develop and the team needs to give him time and not rush him.

 

[AFA2017]

I too hope Bryce Petty turns into a quality future QB, but have we ever drafted a QB prior to Joe Namath that played at a high level? The odds are not in Petty's favor.

 

[flgreen]

I think it's pretty funny that anyone could say they know that Bryce Petty isn't the answer. Just because he needs some work acclimating to the pro game is an automatic reason for disqualification as a long term solution? That's nuts.

I feel Petty has a great chance by as early as next season. He clearly has to figure out things like better footwork and recognizing defenses, but that stuff can be developed by smarter QB's. Petty has the arm, size and smarts to eventually become a pretty good QB. I'm not counting him out by a long shot.

Agree 100%.

By no means am I guaranteeing that Petty will be a great QB, but he certainly has all the tools, from what I've read he's a smart kid, who takes coaching well.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I too hope Bryce Petty turns into a quality future QB, but have we ever drafted a QB prior to Joe Namath that played at a high level? The odds are not in Petty's favor.

I don't believe in odds when looking at this from a SOJ perspective. I don't think any QB drafted in the past has anything to do with Bryce Petty. New GM, new coach, new scouting department. The people who chose Browning Nagle aren't anywhere near the building anymore.

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

I too hope Bryce Petty turns into a quality future QB, but have we ever drafted a QB prior to Joe Namath that played at a high level? The odds are not in Petty's favor.

"prior to Joe Namath" would mean early 60's or before.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant "post Joe Namath".

Ken O'Brien and Chad Pennington both played at a high level.

If we had either one of them right now, we'd be a Super Bowl favorite.

 

[AFA2017]

"prior to Joe Namath" would mean early 60's or before.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant "post Joe Namath".

Ken O'Brien and Chad Pennington both played at a high level.

If we had either one of them right now, we'd be a Super Bowl favorite.

Ken O'Brien, I don't think so. Chad Pennington was an average QB. Both were 1st Rd picks that did not live up to expectations. Ken O'Brien over Dan Marino!

 

[AFA2017]

I don't believe in odds when looking at this from a SOJ perspective. I don't think any QB drafted in the past has anything to do with Bryce Petty. New GM, new coach, new scouting department. The people who chose Browning Nagle aren't anywhere near the building anymore.

If you don't believe in odds why would you do a mock draft or figure the odds of who the Turk will visit. There are odds in everything in life (Philosophy 101)

 

[Superman55]

Ken O'Brien, I don't think so. Chad Pennington was an average QB. Both were 1st Rd picks that did not live up to expectations. Ken O'Brien over Dan Marino!

Kenny O'brien was Dan Marino if Marino played w/o an oline. It's amazing he could spin it with Marino, sometimes for 400+ yards, w/o blocking. Poor guy took a beating.

Pennington was average? Huh. Tell that to Dungy and Peyton Manning. Ask how they faired against Pennington led teams in the playoffs. He was elite when healthy...but running into Rays Ravens and the Bettis Steelers were tough sledding.

Nope, I'm in the camp we'd be Super Bowl contenders with either guy at QB this year If they were at 100% healthy.

 

[AFA2017]

Kenny O'brien was Dan Marino if Marino played w/o an oline. It's amazing he could spin it with Marino, sometimes for 400+ yards, w/o blocking. Poor guy took a beating.

Pennington was average? Huh. Tell that to Dungy and Peyton Manning. Ask how they faired against Pennington led teams in the playoffs. He was elite when healthy...but running into Rays Ravens and the Bettis Steelers were tough sledding.

Nope, I'm in the camp we'd be Super Bowl contenders with either guy at QB this year If they were at 100% healthy.

Pennington played against a young Peyton Manning and I believe the Colts were shut out something like 41-0. Super Bowl contenders. Far from it. As is we will be lucky to win 5 games this year. Sure we did great in FA. So did the Buc's last year and the Eagles a few years before. It takes a year or 2 for teams to jell. Getting back on track, its easier to say if O'Brien had protection he would have been great. You have no crystal ball, you have no clue if or if not he would have succeeded. We are all here to agree or disagree. I do respect your comment as this is what you believe in.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

If you don't believe in odds why would you do a mock draft or figure the odds of who the Turk will visit. There are odds in everything in life (Philosophy 101)

You think the drafting of any QB prior to Bryce Petty has any correlation to how well Bryce Petty will do? Based on odds? Or perhaps "curses" might be a better description?

Despite regime changes, teams are destined to either stink at drafting QB's or thrive at drafting them. Is that your stance?

 

[AFA2017]

You think the drafting of any QB prior to Bryce Petty has any correlation to how well Bryce Petty will do? Based on odds? Or perhaps "curses" might be a better description?

Despite regime changes, teams are destined to either stink at drafting QB's or thrive at drafting them. Is that your stance?

Blindside, I am just throwing the odds up there as we have done a poor job in the past at drafting QB's. Don't take this personal. Its just a fun quote. I hope Bryce Petty turns into Peyton Manning. Our odds in the past have not been that great. lets hope it all changes with Petty.

 

[Superman55]

You think the drafting of any QB prior to Bryce Petty has any correlation to how well Bryce Petty will do? Based on odds? Or perhaps "curses" might be a better description?

Despite regime changes, teams are destined to either stink at drafting QB's or thrive at drafting them. Is that your stance?

The patriots never drafted a great QB before Brady...not 1 unless you count Bledsoe, and if take O'brien or Pennington over Bledsoe. If it was a simple probability determination, then the patriots would still be amongst professional sports all time losing organizations...like they were before Brady.

All it takes is finding your QB. How were the Rams historically viewed prior to Warner? Bills before Machine gun Kelly, etc. franchises go from all time terrible to SB contenders by finding a QB and building around them.

 

[HYATT™]

The patriots never drafted a great QB before Brady...not 1 unless you count Bledsoe, and if take O'brien or Pennington over Bledsoe. If it was a simple probability determination, then the patriots would still be amongst professional sports all time losing organizations...like they were before Brady.

All it takes is finding your QB. How were the Rams historically viewed prior to Warner? Bills before Machine gun Kelly, etc. franchises go from all time terrible to SB contenders by finding a QB and building around them.

HYATT™ diagrees.
What do these 3 things all have in common?
1996 New England Patriots (went from [6-10] to [11-5] & in the Super Bowl against the Packers)
1997-1999 Jets (went from [1-15] to [9-7],[12-4 & an AFCC game], then [8-8] when Vinny got hurt)
2000-2014 Cheatriots (only losing season was 2000's [5-11])

It's Belicheat.
It's ALWAYS been Belicheat, and will continue to be Belicheat long after Tommy Two-toner is camping under a Costa Rican moon full-time.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Blindside, I am just throwing the odds up there as we have done a poor job in the past at drafting QB's. Don't take this personal. Its just a fun quote. I hope Bryce Petty turns into Peyton Manning. Our odds in the past have not been that great. lets hope it all changes with Petty.

I don't take any of your responses personal. You've been respectful.

I just don't believe that history repeats itself in this instance. The fact that the Jets haven't found any elite QB's in their recent draft history isn't that far off from other teams. How many teams have elite QB's in today's NFL? The Colts lucked into Andrew Luck (no pun intended) by having the first overall pick. The Packers took Aaron Rodgers at 24 and he was considered a developmental QB. Alex Smith was taken by the 49ers to be the next Montana. It's a roll of the dice. Did the Seahawks really have some secret Intel about Russell Wilson when they drafted him in the third round? No. They signed Matt Flynn to be their starter and were blindsided by Wilson's overnight success.

The business of selecting great QB's in the first round consists more of luck than of some innate ability of an organization to recognize elite QB's coming out of college. The examples are endless. Contrary to the SOJ mentality, there are no curses on this team.

 

[Lakerfan80]

I don't believe the team is cursed but very impatient fans and media make it hard for QB's to thrive long term. Tony Romo would have never made it here in NY. If Rodgers, the 24th pick, was considered a developmental QB then what is Petty, a 4th rounder? If Jets draft a first round QB next year then Petty becomes an afterthought with the team and the fans.

 

[Superman55]

I don't take any of your responses personal. You've been respectful.

I just don't believe that history repeats itself in this instance. The fact that the Jets haven't found any elite QB's in their recent draft history isn't that far off from other teams. How many teams have elite QB's in today's NFL? The Colts lucked into Andrew Luck (no pun intended) by having the first overall pick. The Packers took Aaron Rodgers at 24 and he was considered a developmental QB. Alex Smith was taken by the 49ers to be the next Montana. It's a roll of the dice. Did the Seahawks really have some secret Intel about Russell Wilson when they drafted him in the third round? No. They signed Matt Flynn to be their starter and were blindsided by Wilson's overnight success.

The business of selecting great QB's in the first round consists more of luck than of some innate ability of an organization to recognize elite QB's coming out of college. The examples are endless. Contrary to the SOJ mentality, there are no curses on this team.

Agreed

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I just find it interesting how Petty responds to the signing of Matt Flynn. I'am sure he will pick his brain but will fight his tail off to regain the reps he will have to relinquish to the evntual back up.

Also will be intriguing how the coaches handle the maturation process of Bryce. Do they allow him the opportunity to remain the back up if does show improvement or is it completely irrelevant to the point where the decision has been made that he will not see the field this year and place him as the 3rd stringer regardless.

Personally, i feel Petty will get ALOT of reps tonight and the last game of the preseason. Flynn will get the last 1/2 vs the Giants. I dont think Bryce sees much action next Saturday.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Maybe the Jets get this right with Petty. I think it's pretty clear that he's a guy with a high ceiling if you just have patience with him. Hopefully, he gets a lot of work in the preseason, and learns a lot the rest of the way studying film and shadowing Fitz all season.

Just be a sponge, kid.