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It is your fault. It's always yours.
Rob Ryan to join Buffalo Bills defensive staff
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It is your fault. It's always yours.
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WTH are you talking about? I don't have to man up about anything. Your argument of having "bragging rights" over the Bills is completely lame and I used the Patsies to illustrate my point. Honestly, where do you come up with this guff? It must be tough to be so angry and so desperately grasping at straws? The Jets f*cked themselves. They choked at the height of expectations. They illustrated for you first hand why so many call them the same ole Jets. BTW, it's not me you should be angry at, it's the Jets. THEY let you down. I did nothing of the sort, merely pointed out what they did to me, you, and everybody else. Deal with it.
in week 17, the bills were better than the jets. they also were better the prior time we played them.
but over a 16 game schedule, the 10-6 jets were better than the 8-8 bills.
Again, show me where I said anything about the Jets having bragging rights over the Pats.
This is what you said:
"So I guess in your world, if the Jets have a better record than said team and lost the season series to them then he Jets are still better than them, right? But if it's the Patsies you still have bragging rights the Jets beat them face to face?"
I ask once more for you to actually back up the ridiculous words you spew. Where did I ever say the Jets had bragging rights over the Pats? Show me.
Agreed.
If you use the logic that the Bills are better than the Jets, then the Dolphins are as good as the Pats, since they split with them. They must be equal.
One team went 12-4, the other 6-10. But they were 1-1 against each other, so they are equal by that logic.
54, [MENTION=3]Elias[/MENTION] 10 wins is better than 8.. we all understand that.. neither the jets or the bills made the playoffs.. we all understand that as well..
truthfully i thought we were going to beat the hell out the bills, both times actually.. perhaps i'm letting my disappointment cloud my perception..
still, it's hard for me to say we had a better season than a team that swept us out of the playoffs.. 8-8 isn't light years behind 10-6..
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Well, another way to look at this is, if one of those 9-7 teams that made the play offs, went on a run and won the Super bowl, would the 10-6 jets still be the better team?
I agree with 13 here. Both the Bills and Jets are probably playing golf this week end instead of playing football. I'll bet if you asked Fitz or Marshall who is the better team the Jets or the Bills, they would reply along the lines of "who gives a shit, I still haven't been to the play offs"
The only purpose of the first 17 weeks of the NFL season is to get to the dance. The rest is a moot point. From a fans stand point, I enjoyed the season. The Jets won more games then they lost, but I really have a very hard time running victory laps because the Jets were 10-6 and the Bills were 8-8. They more then anyone were responsible for keeping the Jets from the dance.
I agree with 13 here. Both the Bills and Jets are probably playing golf this week end instead of playing football. I'll bet if you asked Fitz or Marshall who is the better team the Jets or the Bills, they would reply along the lines of "who gives a shit, I still haven't been to the play offs"
The only purpose of the first 17 weeks of the NFL season is to get to the dance. The rest is a moot point. From a fans stand point, I enjoyed the season. The Jets won more games then they lost, but I really have a very hard time running victory laps because the Jets were 10-6 and the Bills were 8-8. They more then anyone were responsible for keeping the Jets from the dance.
Let's look at 2008. The Chargers win a weak AFC West with an 8-8 record. The Patriots, with Brady hurt, come in second in the AFC East behind Miami and miss the playoffs.
I am assuming by the argument that a playoff berth delineates good teams from poor teams, the Chargers were a good team that year and the Patriots were not.
i'll say again, miami & NE has nothing to do with my point.. bad teams split divisional games with good ones all the time..
how about bad teams sweeping good teams in division??
For that matter, since it's all about the playoffs, there was really no difference between the 2008 Patriots at 11-5 and the 2008 Lions at 0-16. Or if there was a difference, who cares? Both missed the playoffs. They were both couch potatoes.
But you can't just exclude relevant arguments to your point.
And yes, bad teams do sometimes sweep good ones. In this case, I would argue the gap is not as huge as a bad team sweeping a good team. I would say it's a mediocre team sweeping a pretty good team.
& a broken clock is right twice a day..
And again, record is more reflective of how good a team is than an outcome against one opponent.
Please, don't take my word for it. Take Bill Parcells'.
what good is 10-6 when 11-5 is the goal??
LOLz if i were a bills fan, i would wish a jets fan would try telling me they had the better season..
it wouldn't be pretty..
But 11-5 isn't the goal. Who said that was the goal? Is the only goal the playoffs? The Super Bowl?
And since when was the playoffs the only determination to a good season or not? I already showed flaws in that logic, based on either strong or weak conferences and divisions.
OK, now your all over the damn place..
of course 11-5 was the goal.. 11 wins would have been a playoff berth.. making the playoffs give a team a chance to reach the ultimate goal.. winning th super bowl..
this the NFL not pee wee football.. you don't get a cookie & a juice box for winning 10 games when the goal was 11..
based on your logic, the jets might have lost week 17 because they already had a "good" season, right?? you are what your record says you are.. who needs those silly old playoffs anyway..
see how long bowles keeps his job having "good" seasons without playoffs appearances/wins..
obviously the goal is to win the super bowl, and to that, you need to make the playoffs.
but do you think the jets/bowles had a bad season?
based on where the team finished last year (4-12), and factoring in the additions/subtractions on personnel in the off-season, and considering what was known of fitz coming into the season, if someone told you prior to week 1 kickoff that the jets would be 10-6 in 2015, would you have considered that a good season?
now ask the same question on the bills/rex, with buffalo coming off a 9-7 record. would you say that the bills had a good season going 8-8, but beating the jets twice, including in the last week of the season to knock the jets out of the playoffs.
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Not really sure you have. At least the players don't seem to think so, or Bowles for that matter.
Bowles never shared the belief that the realistic goal should be eight or nine wins. He told The News on the eve of training camp that “8-8 would not be satisfactory for me” because “my job is to go try to win a championship for this team and this city. And that’s what I’m going to do.”
“It’s going to be very hard to not make the playoffs and say it was a success,” quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick told The News.
“It would hurt,” Skrine said of missing the playoffs with a double-digit win season. “That’s a good winning season and a great way to start off the new era, but we want to make it to the playoffs. So I would say we didn’t meet our expectations (if we miss the playoffs).”
“It would be a weird feeling,” safety Calvin Pryor told The News about missing the postseason with 10 or 11 wins. “At the end of the day, if you don’t make the playoffs, you’re missing out on the big goal. We’re here for one goal and one goal only: And that’s to go to the Super Bowl and win.”
“It would be a weird feeling,” safety Calvin Pryor told The News about missing the postseason with 10 or 11 wins. “At the end of the day, if you don’t make the playoffs, you’re missing out on the big goal. We’re here for one goal and one goal only: And that’s to go to the Super Bowl and win.”
“If I’m home on January 4th, in my eyes, it’s just not successful,” Decker said.
But you play the game to get into that postseason and have a chance at a championship. That’s my true measure of success.”
Personally I'm glad the players realize the goal is to make the play offs and not just win 10 games. Give hope for the future
How was 11 wins the goal? Who knew how many wins it would take, or how the tiebreakers would go. Sometimes, you can get a wild card with 9 wins. Sometimes, 8 or 7 win a division. It is far too arbitrary.
And we can keep moving the goalposts. Making the playoffs is fine, but if you don't win your division, who cares? If you don't make the Super Bowl, is making the playoffs some sort of consolation prize? And if you don't win it all, have you won anything?
In other words, one team has a good year, based on that. One team.